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https://www.wweek.com/news/2025/03/...ls-to-lowest-level-in-more-than-a-decade/?utm

But Portland has some self-inflicted wounds, they say. The city put inclusionary zoning rules in place in 2017, requiring any new apartment building with 20 units or more to set aside 20% of them for people earning 80% of the area median income. Alternatively, developers could reserve 10% of units for renters who make less than 60% of the median.

Whichever adventure they choose, the requirement diminishes the revenue from rent that a building can collect. Developers adapted in a few ways. First, they got approval for buildings before the inclusionary rules went into effect. That’s why we saw so many cranes on the city skyline for several years. Second, they started maxing out buildings at 19 units to avoid the hit to rent.


“We’ve seen a bunch of buildings that are 19 units or fewer,” says Greg Frick, co-founder of HFO Investment Real Estate.

That’s bad, Frick says, because developers are putting just 19 units on parcels of land that could support many more, thereby cutting the new supply that Kotek wants.

“If you want the private sector to build housing, you can’t keep setting up these hurdles,” Frick says. “You’re not making a compelling case to invest here.”

Tom Brenneke, president of Guardian Real Estate Services, agrees. Many apartment complexes are funded by investors from beyond Portland, and Brenneke says they have soured on the city in part because of the changeable nature of its housing policy. A recent one that’s spooking them: Oregon’s move in 2019 to become first state in the nation with statewide rent control.

“Institutional capital stays really far away from rent-controlled states,” Brenneke says.
 
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I don't think anyone is denying the role of NIMBYs in this issue. It's fundamental to it.

But to claim that the residents of a neighborhood that blocks development is the "consumer's choice" is a hard disagree. It's an incidence of the minority (members of a neighborhood) overruling the majority and the public interest of the residents and city. What do you do about it, and why is it so much more impossible to build in the bluest of blue cities?
it's a minority for any one given development...it is a majority when you consider the how often it happens (which is basically anytime someone proposes to build anything)

what do you do about it? the organization i work for advocates to the public and municipal officials about the benefits of more responsible development patterns (which amounts to "build where we already have infrastructure") and why we need to build more housing, more kinds of housing ("the missing middle") and encourage redevelopment over new development

the reason it happens in the bluest of blue cities is because it has nothing to do with politics. people just don't want change in their neighborhoods.

edit to add: i'm not really talking about what happens in places like portland or seatle or NYC. i'm talking about what happens in the 99% of the country that not only doesn't have inclusionary/housing affordability zoning provisions - those topics aren't even on the radar or being discussed
 
I will hijack this thread a bit to ask a question about something I only partially understand- Social Security.

This is an Oscar to Michael- explain it to me like I am 5 situation.

SS is "self funded" in that the tax is a specific payroll tax withheld and pooled for the program. You "should" get back what you put in. Assuming the money grows over time, there should be plenty of fund to go around, assuming everyone pays in their fair share, and get a proportional payout back (lower earners may get less than higher earners, but proportionally they get out what they put in).

What are the challenges SS faces in living up to the obligations? We are paying today with tomorrows money? Is someone borrowing or spending against the SS reserve?
I’m no SS expert, but in a nutshell, I read that years ago there was like a 14 to 1 ratio of employees paying into SS to support 1 SS recipient. However, that ratio has steadily declined to something like 3 to 1. So there are simply fewer people paying in to sustain the current system into the future, unless some changes are made. Several changes, like increasing the minimum age to start receiving SS or raising the cap on income that is taxed, will need to eventually be done to avoid discounted payments to recipients
 
I just started the audio book, an hour in and some great stuff so far

I haven't really pitched it here, but there is a parallel book making the rounds that I actually want to read first, that a lot of people considered an essential companion piece, Why Nothing Works by Marc Dunkelman.

I think it gets more into the philosophical history of how we got here, particularly how liberals/Democrats got here. I don't know if it's as prescriptive as Abundance, but I think it might explain a bit more.

I listened to him on the Andrew Yang podcast, and it was a pretty good listen, although Yang is not the greatest podcast host ever.

 
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With the exceptions of New York City, Honolulu, and Seattle, nearly all jurisdictions in the United States enforce codes that feature stricter caps on the height of residential apartment buildings with a single exit stairwell. NFPA 101®, Life Safety Code®, puts the limit at four stories; the International Building Code (IBC) puts it at three. Canada limits such buildings to two stories. In contrast, nearly all of Europe, South America, and Asia allow a single exit stairwell in buildings of at least six stories, with some, including South Korea, Germany, and Switzerland, permitting 20 stories or higher.

The height limitations in the U.S. and Canada have had negative consequences on the nations’ housing stock, Smith and other advocates claim, thwarting the development of new small-to-mid-sized multifamily housing, contributing to housing shortages and fueling rising housing costs.


 
I’m listening to it now, and yes, there are some really interesting things. I might just post some as I come across them maybe even as little reminders to myself.

In Italy and France, there are 600 housing units per 1000 people.
In Germany and Japan there are 500 housing units pe 1000 people.
In the US, there are 425 housing units per 1000 people.
 
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Just got done listening to this, great listen.

Haven't listened to this, but thought that there was merit to this take...





That said, I think the movement is still incredibly new and is still in the stage of socializing its ideas. But I agree that given California is the poster child for the opposite of Abundance, Newsome has to specifically be called to account by name at some point.
 
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Average time required to save money to buy a home on an average income was pretty steady in midcentury America. It’s been skyrocketing since.

1950, 2.3 years.
1960, 2.6 years.
1970, 2.4 years.
1980, 3.8 years.
1990, 5.4 years.
2000, 7 years.
 
Haven't listened to this, but thought that there was merit to this take...





That said, I think the movement is still incredibly new and is still in the stage of socializing its ideas. But I agree that given California is the poster child for the opposite of Abundance, Newsome has to specifically be called to account by name at some point.
This is 100% the correct take. Newsome was pretty passive aggressive defensive the whole time and was coming up with politician talk to anything negative about Cali and thr Dems for the most part.
 
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Average time required to save money to buy a home on an average income was pretty steady in midcentury America. It’s been skyrocketing since.

1950, 2.3 years.
1960, 2.6 years.
1970, 2.4 years.
1980, 3.8 years.
1990, 5.4 years.
2000, 7 years.

Just having lived in the 70s and 80s, given the down payments and interest rates, that number seems crazy low to me. My parents saved 10+ years and that seemed typical. But whatever the exact number is, the housing shortage certainly would mean this is going up.
 
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This is a great Twitter thread about a very related concept to Abundance. The author calls it Everythingism and its specifically about the UK, but its absolutely part of the roadblock in the US as well. It's the idea that every policy has to achieve multiple largely unrelated societal "goods", to the point nothing gets delivered.

 
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Average time required to save money to buy a home on an average income was pretty steady in midcentury America. It’s been skyrocketing since.

1950, 2.3 years.
1960, 2.6 years.
1970, 2.4 years.
1980, 3.8 years.
1990, 5.4 years.
2000, 7 years.

Someone once told President Ronald Reagan that a solution to some controversial issue was “complex.” President Reagan replied that the issue was in fact simple, “but it is not easy.”

Is the solution to unaffordable housing prices in parts of California simple? Yes. It is as simple as supply and demand. What gets complicated is evading the obvious, because it is politically painful.

One of the first things taught in an introductory economics course is supply and demand. When a growing population creates a growing demand for housing, and the government blocks housing from being built, the price of existing housing goes up.

This is not a breakthrough on the frontiers of knowledge. Economists have understood supply and demand for centuries — and so have many other people who never studied economics.


Housing prices in San Francisco, and in many other communities for miles around, were once no higher than in the rest of the United States. But, beginning in the 1970s, housing prices in these communities skyrocketed to three or four times the national average.

Why? Because local government laws and policies severely restricted, or banned outright, the building of anything on vast areas of land. This is called preserving “open space,” and “open space” has become almost a cult obsession among self-righteous environmental activists, many of whom are sufficiently affluent that they don’t have to worry about housing prices.

Some others have bought the argument that there is just very little land left in coastal California, on which to build homes. But anyone who drives down Highway 280 for thirty miles or so from San Francisco to Palo Alto, will see mile after mile of vast areas of land with not a building or a house in sight.

How “complex” is it to figure out that letting people build homes in some of that vast expanse of “open space” would keep housing from becoming “unaffordable”?

-Thomas Sowell
 
Here is my local example of things don’t work.

I’m starting 3 projects at work. The first is a set of new tennis courts with a parking lot, the second is a 700’ road extension, the third is a small daycare facility. The owner (me) is a school corporation. Our local zoning is setup that everything I do requires conditional use approval from the Board of Zoning Appeals. That means I have to turn in the application and documents 45 days before the BZA hearing. Then I have to meet with all the city departments for “Tech Review” where they tell me all the things they want changed. 75% of those changes aren’t required by code, just stuff that they would like done differently. They can do this because there is no zoning area in our city that allows school activities without BZA approval.

So we meet for the road extension before filing the application. We are informed that while the road we put in 15 years ago was a class 4 road, it is now a class 2 road so we have to install 15’ wide bike paths on both sides of the road, 10’ sidewalks on both sides of the road, a central turn lane 24’ wide, 2 18’ wide travel lanes, fire mains, storm sewer (which is about the only thing that makes sense), fire mains and hydrants on both sides of the road, electrical poles and transmission line extensions on both sides of the road, and street lights. This is a road that is currently 1500’ long that leads to the youth baseball fields on our property and once we put in the 700’ extension will dead end into a corn field. We said this is unreasonable and not what we agreed to 15 years ago. They replied: “It is what we expect of all land developers” essentially ignoring the fact that we are a just a school.

About 3 weeks ago we had tech review for the tennis court complex. In preparation for that we had to submit a landscape plan. For our 9 acre area with a 300 spot parking lot (which they are demanding to help alleviate parking issues near the school) we have to install 18 grass island covering 21000 square feet because of code. Of course we also have to put 70 shade trees in the islands or 3.9 trees per island and 828 shrubs or 46 shrubs per island, again because of code. And those trees and shrubs must be diverse with no more than 12% of any one species. Then we we get to tech review we are informed that we have to install 600’ of 15’ wide bike path and 600’ of 10’ sidewalk along the road frontage of the 9’ acres. Both literally exist across the road and on the new side of the road they will terminate into corn fields so you actually can’t get to them. We then go around the table and the fire department tells us we need to install 5 extra hydrants for future development, the electric company tells us that they technically can’t provide power to the location because it’s the county utility (but since they were invited, they don’t like our design because it would be helpful to them if the power main ran at a different location so they could tap into it for a future project) the water utility wants us to put in water and sewer lines to complete their service to a new subdivision even though we only need 1/10th of the capacity suggested, and the city planner wants us to put in a pedestrian tunnel to make the road crossing safer. And by the way, even though it is only required when you abut property owned by others (and we don’t as we own the entire 100 acre site around this) the planner is going to require a 15’ buffer around the backside of the project with another 30 trees and 300 shrubs.

The daycare zoning and permit process is just starting but since schools AND daycares are both conditional use, we have to go through the process even though we bought an existing daycare.

And this is in a city/county that voted 90% republican for the last 3 decades.
 
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Here is my local example of things don’t work.

I’m starting 3 projects at work. The first is a set of nee tennis courts with a parking lot, the second is a 700’ road extension, the third is a small daycare facility. The owner (me) is a school corporation. Our local zoning is setup that everything I do requires conditional use approval from the Board of Zoning Appeals. That means I have to turn in the application and documents 45 days before the BZA hearing. Then I have to meet with all the city departments for “Tech Review” where they tell me all the things they want changed. 75% of those changes aren’t required by code, just stuff that they would like done differently. They can do this because there is no zoning area in our city that allows school activities without BZA approval.

So we meet for the road extension before filing the application. We are informed that while the road we put in 15 years ago was a class 4 road, it is now a class 2 road so we have to install 15’ wide bike paths on both sides of the road, 10’ sidewalks on both sides of the road, a central turn lane 24’ wide, 2 18’ wide travel lanes, fire mains, storm sewer (which is about the only thing that makes sense), fire mains and hydrants on both sides of the road, electrical poles and transmission line extensions on both sides of the road, and street lights. This is a road that is currently 1500’ long that leads to the youth baseball fields on our property and once we put in the 700’ extension will dead end into a corn field. We said this is unreasonable and not what we agreed to 15 years ago. They replied: “It is what we expect of all land developers” essentially ignoring the fact that we are a just a school.

About 3 weeks ago we had tech review for the tennis court complex. In preparation for that we had to submit a landscape plan. For our 9 acre area with a 300 spot parking lot (which they are demanding to help alleviate parking issues near the school) we have to install 18 grass island covering 21000 square feet because of code. Of course we also have to put 70 shade trees in the islands or 3.9 trees per island and 828 shrubs or 46 shrubs per island, again because of code. And we those trees and shrubs must be diverse with no more than 12% of any one species. Then we we get to tech review we are informed that we have to install 600’ of 15’ wide bike path and 600’ of 10’ sidewalk along the road frontage of the 9’ acres. Both literally exist across the road and on the new side of the road they will terminate into corn fields so you actually can’t get to them. W then go around the table and the fore department tells us we need to install 5 extra hydrants for future development, the electric company tells us that they technically can’t provide power to the location because it’s the county utility (but since they were invited, they don’t like our design because it would be helpful to them if the power main ran at a different location so they could tap into it for a future project) the water utility wants us to put in water and sewer lines to complete their service to a new subdivision even though we only need 1/10th of the capacity suggested, and the city planner wants us to put in a pedestrian tunnel to make the road crossing safer. And by the way, even though it is only required when you abut property owned by others (and we don’t as we own the entire 100 acre site around this) the planner is going to require a 15’ buffer around the backside of the project with another 30 trees and 300 shrubs.

The daycare zoning and permit process is just starting but since schools AND daycares are both conditional use, we have to go through the process even though we bought an existing daycare.

And this is in a city/county that voted 90% republican for the last 3 decades.


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I was saying for a long time us democrats needed to abandon some of these unpopular social positions to win….there was too much at stake.

I like some of these ideas, but in my opinion they are a day late and a dollar short.
 
What’s funny is that during that POD with Newsome, he kept on saying it is still coming and there is light at the end of the tunnel in completing it lol.

This country built the 1900 mile transcontinental railway from Iowa to California in 6 years over 150 years ago, basically by hand.

It’s sad how far we’ve fallen.
 
This country built the 1900 mile transcontinental railway from Iowa to California in 6 years over 150 years ago, basically by hand.

It’s sad how far we’ve fallen.
I need to do more research and reading on politics in the 1970s and how it changed the left. It is an interesting parallel Ezra drew between the environmental groups and suing and how it effectively changed the whole party
 
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Here is my local example of things don’t work.

I’m starting 3 projects at work. The first is a set of new tennis courts with a parking lot, the second is a 700’ road extension, the third is a small daycare facility. The owner (me) is a school corporation. Our local zoning is setup that everything I do requires conditional use approval from the Board of Zoning Appeals. That means I have to turn in the application and documents 45 days before the BZA hearing. Then I have to meet with all the city departments for “Tech Review” where they tell me all the things they want changed. 75% of those changes aren’t required by code, just stuff that they would like done differently. They can do this because there is no zoning area in our city that allows school activities without BZA approval.

So we meet for the road extension before filing the application. We are informed that while the road we put in 15 years ago was a class 4 road, it is now a class 2 road so we have to install 15’ wide bike paths on both sides of the road, 10’ sidewalks on both sides of the road, a central turn lane 24’ wide, 2 18’ wide travel lanes, fire mains, storm sewer (which is about the only thing that makes sense), fire mains and hydrants on both sides of the road, electrical poles and transmission line extensions on both sides of the road, and street lights. This is a road that is currently 1500’ long that leads to the youth baseball fields on our property and once we put in the 700’ extension will dead end into a corn field. We said this is unreasonable and not what we agreed to 15 years ago. They replied: “It is what we expect of all land developers” essentially ignoring the fact that we are a just a school.

About 3 weeks ago we had tech review for the tennis court complex. In preparation for that we had to submit a landscape plan. For our 9 acre area with a 300 spot parking lot (which they are demanding to help alleviate parking issues near the school) we have to install 18 grass island covering 21000 square feet because of code. Of course we also have to put 70 shade trees in the islands or 3.9 trees per island and 828 shrubs or 46 shrubs per island, again because of code. And those trees and shrubs must be diverse with no more than 12% of any one species. Then we we get to tech review we are informed that we have to install 600’ of 15’ wide bike path and 600’ of 10’ sidewalk along the road frontage of the 9’ acres. Both literally exist across the road and on the new side of the road they will terminate into corn fields so you actually can’t get to them. We then go around the table and the fire department tells us we need to install 5 extra hydrants for future development, the electric company tells us that they technically can’t provide power to the location because it’s the county utility (but since they were invited, they don’t like our design because it would be helpful to them if the power main ran at a different location so they could tap into it for a future project) the water utility wants us to put in water and sewer lines to complete their service to a new subdivision even though we only need 1/10th of the capacity suggested, and the city planner wants us to put in a pedestrian tunnel to make the road crossing safer. And by the way, even though it is only required when you abut property owned by others (and we don’t as we own the entire 100 acre site around this) the planner is going to require a 15’ buffer around the backside of the project with another 30 trees and 300 shrubs.

The daycare zoning and permit process is just starting but since schools AND daycares are both conditional use, we have to go through the process even though we bought an existing daycare.

And this is in a city/county that voted 90% republican for the last 3 decades.

Oh my God, it's insane. Thanks for sharing.
 
I need to do more research and reading on politics in the 1970s and how it changed the left. It is an interesting parallel Ezra drew between the environmental groups and suing and how it effectively changed the whole party

I have not read it yet, but apparently the Dunkelman book "Why Nothing Works" addresses more of the history. He talked a bit about it on the Yang podcast.

Basically the 1970s saw progressives shift from the New Deal model of a robust, powerful government that does things, to a progressivism that lamented "capture" of government by industry, as well as the corruption of people like Nixon and Hoover, and dedicated itself to STOPPING government from doing things. Ralph Nader being the prime example of this shift. The idea was that citizens and the environment needed to be protected FROM the government, or government lackeys doing the bidding of industry.

When it's laid out in a timeline, it kind of makes logical sense how it goes from one direction to the other. But it's shifted too far to the do nothing side.
 
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I have not read it yet, but apparently the Dunkelman book "Why Nothing Works" addresses more of the history. He talked a bit about it on the Yang podcast.

Basically the 1970s saw progressives shift from the New Deal model of a robust, powerful government that does things, to a progressivism that lamented "capture" of government by industry, as well as the corruption of people like Nixon and Hoover, and dedicated itself to STOPPING government from doing things. Ralph Nader being the prime example of this shift. The idea was that citizens and the environment needed to be protected FROM the government, or government lackeys doing the bidding of industry.

When it's laid out in a timeline, it kind of makes logical sense how it goes from one direction to the other. But it's shifted too far to the do nothing side.
Yup, that was the basic premise of what Ezra talks about. Very fascinating history
 
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