Maybe we can get Aaron Rodgers if the NCAA would allow him a hardship waiver and ignore his years in the NFL. He doesn't meet your height requirement, but we could probably overlook that.
Agree or disagree: We need to recruit a dual threat QB
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My gawd, I'm getting sick of Hawk fans always pining for a better goddam quarterback under Ferentz when I can count only one that I've thought needed to truly be replaced.
Stanley is a second year sophomore. I guess patience 6 starts into his career (and looking pretty damn good overall) is a little too much to ask any more.
Stanley is a second year sophomore. I guess patience 6 starts into his career (and looking pretty damn good overall) is a little too much to ask any more.
If he can punt I would overlook it. Im looking to revolutionize recruiting. One player that can fill multiple roles.
This isn't a knock on Stanley. It's just people wishing we could bring in more mobile QB's on average, and also I think people are tired of the 1 yard and a cloud of dust pro-style offense. Also most really good highschool QB's are running the spread these days and want to go to a school that runs the spread.
I think some people are having a hard time understanding that it is possible to look for other options without it being a condemnation of the current occupant at that position.
I'm exactly with you as to wanting more from the offense. If you, like me, enjoy offensive football with a more aggressive goal to stretch the field and put up more points then it's hard to not be frustrated with what seems to be the current strategy.
I'll now await the various posts that if I don't like it I should follow another team, blah, blah, blah.
That explains A LOT to me ... at least insofar that we don't always see eye to eye. This is not condemnation either. It's nice to know a little bit about where other folks are coming from. It explains why some impasses are met.
Myself, I love defensive football first. However, past that, I like seeing balanced hard-nosed football. As much as I hate guys like Saban and Carroll .... their philosophies of strong Ds and balanced Os are exactly the brand of football I value the most. My problem is that the only college team I cheer for is Iowa ... thus, those "elites" just irritate me with their inherent institutional advantages.
You're kind of stunning me here Speed. And I'm not challenging you. I have some pretty darn good inside poop, and I hear all the time that the kid can run. I also hear nobody is as accurate. They also say he's really cocky but they think he could challenge Stanley because of his mobility.
So I'm asking if you hear the same or do my guys have an opposing view? I would say that despite how close these guys are to the program their opinions at times seem to be a bit questionable.
Thanks Speed.
I absolutely appreciate that position. We clearly have a difference. And neither of us is wrong.
I'd say that you have the good fortune in that the team under KF has been much more oriented to what you want to see than what I'm entertained by.
Yes, he was, and for the most part he has. There's no "zinger" or "gotcha" there at all.
That said, it doesn't make him a QB. I will ask this but I doubt very much you saw him play in high school? Most people who did have expressed similar sentiments as I did earlier in this thread. Hell of an athlete, but two things are completely wrong with him being at Iowa - 1) Why he chose to come to Iowa when he knew the offense that KF runs? and 2) Why Iowa chose him knowing (or perhaps not???) his skill set? Now, with regards to the first question, perhaps he didn't care about playing time and simply always wanted to be a Hawk or wanted to major in something that the University of Iowa offered. I simply don't know. As to the second question, that's entirely on the staff in my opinion. If you wanted to recruit a QB that belonged in a triple option offense and you don't run a triple option offense, that's an odd thing to do.
if that is a bet I accept. Mansell ran a 5.03 40 but he ran a 4.35 20 yards shuttle. didn't know you and others are/were expecting him be the main Ball carrier after all that is why teams have RB's.
this imaginary QB only exists in your fantasy minds.
I believe they recruited him with the thought of giving him a shot at QB then move him to WR to utilize his speed, Cook was given a chance at QB and now he is at TE. the coaches recruit QB's because they are the most Athletic players on their HS team.
for a team that develops players that is very smart coaching and recruiting,
On a positive note regarding Stanley, he's had a few plays where he's starting to move just enough in the pocket to where he can use his size and strength to avoid sacks. He's not exactly nimble back there, but he's shown signs of pocket awareness and I think that bodes well for us.
I changed my mind. I want a triple threat QB. Run, pass, and catch (no punting). Make it happen Kirk.
I'd like to get a more athletic pass-1st QB that has quicks/scrambling ability. We need a guy that is faster than DE's so that when we run Bootlegs and DE is not fooled, the QB can still make a play. I like Stanley, but you really need good protection for him to thrive.
I do think Brian Ferentz is on right path if he is going to feature 2 TE's and use them both is passing game. In past it has just meant we are packing it in and going to run (mostly) unsuccessfully.
I do think Brian Ferentz is on right path if he is going to feature 2 TE's and use them both is passing game. In past it has just meant we are packing it in and going to run (mostly) unsuccessfully.
All I'm saying is 5.03 doesn't strike me as fast enough to be a legitimate running threat at QB. I could run that with my eyes closed and no arms. 5.03 is like a time that an offensive lineman would run.
I think people would agree that a guy like Aaron Rodgers is a dual threat. He can beat you with his arms and his legs. I think Stanley, as patient as he is in the pocket, needs to utilize his legs more to keep defenses honest and move the chains. You don't need to be a Denard Robinson to be a dual threat. Stanley is a big guy and moves well. His production and our offense would flourish if he can maneuver in the pocket and run when it presents itself.
lets see RB Young ran a 4.91 40,
Beyer who some want at WR ran a 4.97 40
Stanley does not have a 40 time listed by ESPN.
GIVE it up this QB you want may not even exist on Fantasy Island
Well they definitley exist. Whether Iowa can land one is a different story, especially given the style of offense we run.
QB's with decent speed at the combine are generally 4.8ish or under. The really mobile ones are 4.7 or under.
We recruit a lot of QB's each year. I'll bet he's on the team right now and our staff is too stubborn to give him a shot.
Typical Kirk........
No no..................we had Dan McGwire. We've been that route IC. His NFL career was too short.
And how much time will Doyle take off his time? And will that make him closer to dual threat?
Also Speed, you didn't address my earlier question about what I've heard about Peyton. Would appreciate if you'd give me your thoughts. I hear he moves well and is by far the most accurate thrower.
But I also hear he's so cocky it's a down fall. Just looking for another point of view.
Thanks Speed.
Certainly possible. Everybody has somewhat of a ceiling but no doubt putting on some lean muscle and trimming down some of that baby fat left from highschool can help.
As for the cockiness thing, I'm not really sure. Confidence is certainly a good thing, but you don't want it to interfere with coachability or negatively impact relationships with teammates.
I get it, but the topic is whether to recruit a dual threat QB, and my point is that relatively recently, we did, and it really hasn't worked well, which kind of goes with your point.
Yeah, that's arguably the primary reason why I am obviously so patient with Ferentz. My main qualm with Ferentz's philosophy is that he sometimes can be a little too blue-collar ... his brand of "embracing the grind" probably costs us some as it relates to winning over some highly touted recruits.
Don't get me wrong, as an educator ... I understand the emphasis ... because way to many young people have terrible work-ethics ... and how they approach things tends to promote failure. However, another strategy that educators can implement is also to infuse a "fun" and "entertainment" factor into things too ... and I'm not sure that gets encouraged quite enough by Ferentz and Co. Of course, I'm an outsider ... so I don't know all that much that goes down within the confines of Ft. Kinnick.
One more thing ... not surprisingly, two of my favorite games through the past few years was this years PSU game and the '15 Wisconsin game. To some it may appear to be like a 3 hour headlock ... but to me it's what football is all about.
lets shut the FB program down right now as these coaches won't do what these poster try to tell them what to do.
Yes, Andrew Luck is a beast when healthy, but can he kick?? Luck may not meet your criteria.
