good luck Andrew, Appreciated how involved you were while cheering on your teammates, Hope you have much success in the future.
Andrew Fleming transferring
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Iowa needs some guards badly. This year, next year, whatever. Bring in some athletes.
Managers/leaders who treat their subordinates as commodities do not go far in the long run.
It's obvious you've never managed people, but how loyal are they when you say when you sh1t on them, which is what you're proposing here.
I'm sure life is more challenging for you than it has to be since you appear comfortable saying "f you" to quality people as soon as you have one inch of leverage (which Iowa doesn't have in this case).
You're not out in the real world, yet, are you? If you did as you suggest there's a possibility of short term success, but virtually a guarantee of long term failure.
You can certainly tell the "Iowa nice" crowd in here, you get a good break, and find a rotation caliber walk on, that's the time to try to use it to your advantage, not use the first available scholarship on someone already on your team. I'd much rather take a shot on finding a high caliber guard who could be a real difference maker and elevate the program, but I guess lil Nicky's feelings should really come first.
Even if he would stay without a scholarship, i would give him a scholarship. He's earned it.
If he is in your rotation, he should get a scholarship. Only fair thing to do.
Hutton was never the "next level" of recruit for you. I saw him a number of times in high school and, if you didn't know who he was, you wouldn't have even noticed him. I caught some grief on here for saying that at the time. He might have turned out to be a rotation player because of his defense, but he was never that next level recruit. Even his defense was overstated in high school, IMO.
My interpretation of this situation is as follows : It seemed obvious that Flemming has a very high opinion of his skill level as a player. He says as much in his departure paragraph. He appeared to not have a realistic handle on his true basketball skills. He didn't even start on his senior team much of the time and few high majors were interested in him.
I felt like he was a ball hog when he was in the games this year and in over his head. He played no defense at all.
He was a volume shooter but not a high percentage shooter. He was not the next coming of Chris Kingsbury.
Without defense , he wasn't even as good as Oglesby. Just my opinion.
The only thing wrong with the team and the transfers is Fran and his staff over projected their skill levels. Fran talks with each player and tells them what they can expect in the future should they chose to stay. For example, his first year , he told the starting point guard that he wouldn't play more than 6 to 8 minutes a game the next season and Cully chose to transfer which was the best for all concerned.
Most players know where they stand but when the coach tells them for a fact it is easier for them to transfer and move on.
I felt like he was a ball hog when he was in the games this year and in over his head. He played no defense at all.
He was a volume shooter but not a high percentage shooter. He was not the next coming of Chris Kingsbury.
Without defense , he wasn't even as good as Oglesby. Just my opinion.
The only thing wrong with the team and the transfers is Fran and his staff over projected their skill levels. Fran talks with each player and tells them what they can expect in the future should they chose to stay. For example, his first year , he told the starting point guard that he wouldn't play more than 6 to 8 minutes a game the next season and Cully chose to transfer which was the best for all concerned.
Most players know where they stand but when the coach tells them for a fact it is easier for them to transfer and move on.
You're trying too hard. Trolling is an art, not a race.
If you have an open scholarship next year, then by all means give it to Baer. But I don't just turn around and give one to him now, I'm going to see what else I can pull in first. If I can get a big time transfer or two, then sign me up and I'll worry about Baer down the line.
I would give Baer the scholly even if only Hutton's was available. Kid earned it, plain and simple. Be a kick in the teeth to do otherwise.
Just a matter of PT it seems. There was a glut of freshmen all for the same two positions, it was not surprising that some bounced.
People were pretty excited about Fleming considering he was invited to play at Oak Hill and then he lit up the PTL which raised expectations higher. Some could make the argument that he should have played over Ellingson. But at least Brady makes an attempt to play D. Fleming, in his limited time, seemed to have no clue how to play defense or was too slow to compensate.
I wish he had stuck around and maybe became Gatens lite, but at this point, we have the chance to find better athleticism on the transfer market or desperately address or PG situation.
Baer gets his. And Fran will get two.... I'd be surprised if not. Sad actually.
Mmmm....and just think if Jok goes pro.
I smell a national championship....and I can't even smell.
IMO it is not that Fran is doing anything wrong here. The big number of Freshman recruits told us before any of them showed up that the Hawks were gonna have transfers. Plain & simple.
The guy wants to play. He no doubt believes that ain't going to happen to his satisfaction if he stays.
Hutton and Flemming were not going to be on the court much. They are not the types to settle for role player status. Moving on....
They aren't any good, that's what's up.
This is a big fail for us. The kid was dialed into one of the HS programs in the country.
It also hurts our already razor thin guard court. We have two natural guards and a swing in Peter. One, Brady, showed himself largely unprepared for B!G ball. The other, Christian, didn't play enough to get a real handle on his ability.
How will this look if Moss can't get or stay eligible?
It also hurts our already razor thin guard court. We have two natural guards and a swing in Peter. One, Brady, showed himself largely unprepared for B!G ball. The other, Christian, didn't play enough to get a real handle on his ability.
How will this look if Moss can't get or stay eligible?
They were both offered fairly early and never really developed. Iowa has to try and project and can't sit back and wait like some programs, which can cause a few more misses. Add in the development of Baer that pushed Hutton even farther down the rotation if he was indeed a 3. You say they have a great chance for PT but they are playing against Jok, Moss, Williams, and Bear every day in practice and I'm sure they knew where they stood in comparison to those guys. Doesn't sound like they were too confident that the PT would be there.
Totally disagree with this now that there's 2 open scholly's. If only 1 and they used it on a PG or outstanding player of another position I'd agree. But now that you can bring in a transfer or 2016 kid if they don't give one to Baer it's a dick move and they don't deserve to keep him. Sure, he came in not expecting a scholarship but now that he's proven he's much more valuable than multiple guys that ARE on scholarship it would be unclassy and unwise to give him the run around at this point.
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I guess what is best for the team just goes out the door then? sorry but no
Your grammar comes out sounding like an old movie rendition of a Native American.
Point guard, point guard, point guard.
If we all say it 3 times, and click the heels of our red shoes together, maybe that much needed grad transfer will magically appear in Iowa City.
If we all say it 3 times, and click the heels of our red shoes together, maybe that much needed grad transfer will magically appear in Iowa City.
Well, considering it was apparent that Baer was more deserving of a scholarship than Fleming or Hutton, it makes sense he gets one of their scholarships.
please enlighten me. Iowa needs some guards so they need to go out and get a couple for next year. Can't do that and give Baer a scholarship. Am I wrong? If you can't get two guards this offseason then by all means give it to Baer. If you don't think Iowa needs some experienced guards then you didn't pay good enough attention this past year.
He played at Ensworth and was Tennessee player of the year in Division II, Class AA.
http://portal.tssaa.org/common/classification/?schoolYear=2015&sportid=2
Scroll down to the bottom of the page to see that class. There are only 15 schools in the class and three of the 15 (St. Agnes, Girls Prep, and Hutchison) are girls' schools. Big fish, little pond.
