I might be confusing it with Fitzy's. I think they were right next to each other
Andrew Fleming transferring
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I might be confusing it with Fitzy's. I think they were right next to each other
Couldn't agree more. You have a year of seeing what Baer has done at the collegiate level and he has proven he can play at this level. Who's to say Fran doesn't give the scholly to the next Ellingson or Fleming and have them not pan out? Now you have taken the chance at losing Baer to transfer and are possibly stuck with an end of the bench player. Reward the proven commodity.
If all Baer cares about is the scholarship then he wouldn't have come to Iowa in the first place. He would have gone somewhere else. If you can use the scholarships on a grad transfer or someone who can make an impact first great, if not then give him one. I don't understand the rush to give him one. Did he play at a high level for stretches this year? Absolutely. Did he look lost in the middle of the B1G season? Absolutely. I think the kid should get one but if it doesn't work out right now, I would be fine with it too. For those suggesting that he transfer if he doesn't get it right now I think you're nuts. He chose to go to Iowa as a walk on, if you get a scholarship, that is a plus. If he transfers he loses another year and has 2 to play instead of 3. I think the kid just wants to play and win and let the rest take care of itself.
Fleming obviously was not happy with his playing time and from his quotes seem to suggest that he thinks he deserved more time and wants to play somewhere he will get it. He even mentioned that he made 2 threes in a walk thru as proof that he is ready.
Fleming obviously was not happy with his playing time and from his quotes seem to suggest that he thinks he deserved more time and wants to play somewhere he will get it. He even mentioned that he made 2 threes in a walk thru as proof that he is ready.
Baer has said multiple times his childhood dream was to play for Iowa and he is grateful for the opportunity to walk on. While I think he is deserving, I don't know that it is an absolute necessity in order to keep him. I suspect Fran will reward his hard work and give him the spot and that is fine with me. Fran will struggle to fill the remaining spot, so 2 would be an impossible ask given his talent evaluation and closing skills.
Regarding Fleming, I think he should have been given a chance to play when the tailspin started. Unless he is absolutely incapable of playing defense, another shooter may have helped us out of some prolonged droughts. Guys like Fleming are streaky and if hot, who knows, he could have hit a couple 3's. Oh well.
This isn't the exodus we saw in the Lick years. These are guys who want to get more playing time and apparently didn't think they would get it or didn't want to fight for it. Also, anymore in college basketball guys transfer all the time, we have been sitting here wondering who will leave and now that two guys left, everyone is freaking out.
During the Lick years we saw starters and guys playing significant minutes transferring Freeman, Davis, Peterson, Kelly, Fuller, Palmer, Cougill, Tucker, Payne. (I know they weren't all exactly studs but still starters or playing significant minutes) There may be others
Edit: I guess technically Payne transferred after getting hurt in Fran's first year,
I agree with a lot of this. I would have liked to see Fleming get 5-6 minutes to see if he could make a couple of shots. At least give him a shot to make a couple of buckets. If he can't hang on D pull him out.
Not to discount the awful Lickliter years and the lost players, but:
Kelly left because he wanted to be closer to home after his mother died in a plane crash.
Cougill was an academic casualty.
Tucker was an alcohol-related casualty.
Aaron Fuller actually left shortly after McCaffery was hired.
My concern is that Fran's transfers leave to play at the level they should have started at in the first place. Ingram-IUPUI. Dickerson-South Dakota. Meyer-Juco then Houston. Hubbard-Some small school. I suspect Hutton will go juco then to Eastern Illinois etc., and Fleming will end up at TN-Chattanooga or TN-Martinsville or one of those obscure conferences.
There is a reason the kids we sign don't have better / equivalent offers and it isn't because Fran is great at finding under the radar kids. I get that when Fran arrived, we were pretty much a leper colony, but he has had two years of being ranked and two first round wins and that nets us Kriener, Pemsl, and Bohannon? More limited athleticism, no shot creators and bigs who are willing passers. Cook is legit, but we need scorers. Does Fran not understand why we flat line at the 5 minute mark?
There is a reason the kids we sign don't have better / equivalent offers and it isn't because Fran is great at finding under the radar kids. I get that when Fran arrived, we were pretty much a leper colony, but he has had two years of being ranked and two first round wins and that nets us Kriener, Pemsl, and Bohannon? More limited athleticism, no shot creators and bigs who are willing passers. Cook is legit, but we need scorers. Does Fran not understand why we flat line at the 5 minute mark?
Doesn't that tend to happen to most teams though? Look at where the guys who have left ISU have ended up, Iona, Northern Arizona, end of the bench at Rutgers, Loyola, Oakland. There's very few major conference to major conference transfers especially among guys who aren't grad transfers.
Also, I think you're underestimating the lag between results on the court and when you can sell those in recruiting. The majority of the work on almost all of those guys we landed this year was done before we had even won a single NCAA game. Going forward Fran will have tournament wins in back to back years to sell future recruits, hopefully including a big transfer this year.
It wasn't like Jok and Utoff didn't struggle hitting some threes in some important games down the stretch. Giving Fleming a shot (pun) couldn't have hurt.
Even in basketball, I believe playing lots of players builds team play and gets everyone vested in the season. Ferentz is starting to learn that and I think this year was a good example. Hopefully Fran will go deeper down his bench since his seniors are gone. I felt they tired (fatigue) at the end of the year.
Right, yeah I should have said I know there were other circumstances, but there were others who just wanted out or Lick didn't want.
I don't get too worked up on transfers anymore since it is part of college sports, especially basketball anymore. This, from the NCAA is pretty crazy, 40% of D1 basketball players transfer by the end of their soph year.
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/tracking-transfer-division-i-men-s-basketball
http://goshockers.com/news/2016/3/31/mens-basketball-taylor-to-transfer-from-wsu.aspx
Someone we could realistically get, but would have to sit a season.
Someone we could realistically get, but would have to sit a season.
Considering Fran has given scholarships to the likes of Ingram, Myers, Ellingson, Flemming and failed to run off the likes of Archie, Brommer when he came in, I would say Baer is upgrade over all those players.
Wow how old are you guys? Companies had this mentality, what? Like 50 years ago?
So I'll ask again. How old are you guys?
I'm going to guess you're wither too young to know what you are talking about, or to old to understand how the most successful companies today operate. I've worked in cash management for a fortune 30 company and currently work in cash management for a fortune 10 company. Neither of these two companies have your mentality.
Why? It's cheaper to develop your own talent than it is to go out, find and hire talent. They have built in career paths for their talent. What's one of the benefits of this way of operating? You attract talent from other companies. So instead of you seeking out talent, the talent comes to you. Even then, it's hard for outside talent to get on in these companies.
Yes, I agree that Fran has reached...but he has made reaches for guys that lack athleticism and upside. Of all those names, only Dickerson had athleticism and Fran didn't try to meld him into the team...Fran was too content with his known quantity Gesell.
Fran's recruiting of diamonds in rough is overstated. He found White, who happened to grow a couple inches after he was offered. Olesani, was good find.
The rest of Fran's good players aren't case of being diamonds in rough.
Gatens and Marble were previous to Fran. Uthoff fell into Fran's lap. Jok was highly rated and got injured. That isn't a case of fran scouring gyms and projecting guys to become good.
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So Fran should just put Baer on scholarship and then kick his feet up and wait for the talent to pour in! Got it. Unreal, smh.
Dickerson sucked. Glad his erratic play and Aaron Craft jump shot is already down the road.
He made Gesell look like a good jump shooter. Never got how he was the top rated juco pg.
I gotta be honest, Fleming's athletic ability was far below what i thought it would be coming in. He looked slow, very very slow. I thought he had some muscle to him from those videos, as well as some quickness. He didn't. I'm not sure how people think he would have contributed even during that down time, he wasn't the answer unfortunately. As for Hutton, I think he saw the writing on the wall with the emergence of Baer, and Jones going to be around for another year, assuming a medical redshit. So for the next two years, he was going to be behind Uhl, Jones, Cook, Wagner, and Baer for sure. Throw in Jok this year as well. That literally no playing time for a guy who is looking to play the 3/4. If Baer doesn't jump him and Jones doesn't get injured, he might have stayed.
Hopefully that happens for sure. I was worried about what happened down the stretch with our team and then seeing two people suddenly transfer. It smelled as if something was going on behind the scenes. I'm hoping we get better players out of this. We've made it to the dance 3 years in a row now(more like 2 1/2, lol) and the momentum is appearing to grow as we go. I'd hate to see us take a step back. It's time to start taking advantage of that athletic revenue.
I'm sure Jack or Peter DeCoster would be willing to accept your phone call and point you in the right direction.
What's unreal, is that you wouldn't give a scholarship to a player that deserves one by playing better than scholarship players.
I can already tell you have no idea what you are talking about. If you were the coach or in charge of anything meaningful, you wouldn't last very long.
I'm not against giving Baer one if I've exhausted all my opportunities to get two better players in here. How does it look to be pushing out players to give walk-ons scholarships? Future recruits better know those scholarships are one year only in case a walk on has a better year and Fran might burn a year of your eligibility in the meantime by making you redshirt.
Yes, because it's always a great idea to give a scholarship to a potential better future player rather than give that scholarship to a player we already know is good enough to receive one, right?
So you're in favor of taking advantage of the kid. Got it. I guess you don't see that as an ethical issue. I'd be willing to bet those potential recruits and their parents will.
Yeah it's really going to hurt us in the walk-on market. If that's how we're planning on building the program we've got bigger worries.
It looks good if that walkon is better than a lot of the scholarship guys. No one makes anyone redshirt. It is up to the players if they want to redshirt which is why I wouldn't do it if I was in their shoes. And this is the state of college basketball. If you aren't good enough you get pushed out and recruited over. I don't think any recruit coming in is going to worry about a walkon taking their spot.
No it hurts in the locker room. If the team sees this kid who is one of the best players on the team and hardest workers playing over guys that have scholarships and he isn't rewarded by the coaches when they have one available that is going to create a problem. Those guys are brothers and I guarantee you his teammates think he deserves one.
Andrew Fleming transferring
HawkeyeReport.com | Staff
Andrew Fleming has been given his release and will transfer.
HawkeyeReport.com
IOWA CITY, Iowa - University of Iowa men’s basketball coach Fran McCaffery announced Thursday that freshman Andrew Fleming has decided to transfer and has been granted a release from his scholarship.
Fleming, a 6-foot-5, 206-pound guard averaged 2.2 points, one assist, and 7.3 minutes in 11 games this past season. The native of Nashville, Tennessee, had a season-high six points against UMKC on Dec. 5.
“We appreciate the contributions that Andrew made to our team this past season,” said McCaffery. “Andrew has a bright future, and we wish him all the best in his future endeavors. My staff and I will do whatever we can to help Andrew during this transition.”
“I want to thank the University of Iowa for an amazing freshman year full of experiences and relationships that will last a life time,” Fleming said. “I would also like to thank Coach McCaffery, his staff, my teammates, and all the fans for all the love and support this season. I have learned so much, and this season has been an unforgettable year.
“With that being said, and with much consideration and prayer, I have decided to transfer and seek out a better situation for my career as a college basketball player. I have big dreams and want to be in the best situation to achieve my goals. Thank you Hawkeye Nation for welcoming me and everyone else who has supported me this year, but I believe God has an amazing plan for my life elsewhere that is bright.”
Not yet, but we've got a lot of walk-ons from other schools interested now!
I feel like you are way to focused on the concept of Baer being a walk on. As if that is some scarlet letter that has to follow him around for the rest of his playing days. I am sure he could have gone to a smaller school as a scholarship player but chose to come and try to play at Iowa. Was there a scholarship available for him at the time? I don't know. Maybe there wasn't and he had to come into the program as a walk on. And maybe he wouldn't have been offered by Fran. I live in the Quad Cities where he is from and didn't really follow him so I have no idea. He has played his way into a scholarship and deserves a scholarship ASAP. There is no guarantee that a player coming in will be any better than Baer. Do you honestly think that Fran will be able to get a player who is significantly better than Baer to come in? And if he somehow does, will that player play with the same energy and passion that Baer does? The answer is a resounding I don't know. What do we know? That Baer can play and be a significant contributor for this team. That deserves a scholarship.
What is one of the main reasons the Seahawks had such a good run lately? Because they were getting nearly All-Pro level performance from a QB making $800,000. Did Russell Wilson deserve more money than that? Sure, but that's the going rate for a third round draft pick and because they were saving so much money they were able to spend that savings on building quality depth at other positions. They didn't pay Russell more until they had to.
Baer is like a good late round draft pick. He's a bonus, we got a rotation quality guy for free. That's now an advantage for us, but everyone on here wants to rush to limit that advantage as soon as possible. Might as well go all out to see if we can find two quality players first and if we don't land anyone then let Baer get his ride.
Yes my post did get deleted, but since I only had 6 post I didn't know what I was talking about, up next is Brady
