Andrew Fleming transferring

[navyrules]

You can keep arguing about Baer all you want. It's very easy to sit back and downgrade a kid solely because he's a walk on. But if a player has the ability to help a team, plays hard, and fits well with the style of play, why shouldn't that kid be rewarded with a scholarship? I get the idea of saving scholarships and wanting to bring in the best players we can. However, this past year, Baer played a lot of minutes and has proven he can help this team.

Is he gonna be a guy that carries us to a BIG championship? Most likely not.

Is he a dependable, hard working, long, athletic, smart, versatile, and experienced Big 10 player who will help us win games? WITHOUT A DOUBT.

He certainly deserves scholarship at some point, Fran has confirmed this notion on more than a few occasions.


http://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sp...-together-baer-effort-against-drake/77480110/

http://qctimes.com/sports/basketball/college/big-10/iowa/bettendorf-s-nicholas-baer-doing-big-things-for-hawkeyes/article_4cff0446-3f6f-5d55-a027-61ae69c2d313.html

 

[RocknRollface]

My concern is that Fran's transfers leave to play at the level they should have started at in the first place. Ingram-IUPUI. Dickerson-South Dakota. Meyer-Juco then Houston. Hubbard-Some small school. I suspect Hutton will go juco then to Eastern Illinois etc., and Fleming will end up at TN-Chattanooga or TN-Martinsville or one of those obscure conferences.

There is a reason the kids we sign don't have better / equivalent offers and it isn't because Fran is great at finding under the radar kids. I get that when Fran arrived, we were pretty much a leper colony, but he has had two years of being ranked and two first round wins and that nets us Kriener, Pemsl, and Bohannon? More limited athleticism, no shot creators and bigs who are willing passers. Cook is legit, but we need scorers. Does Fran not understand why we flat line at the 5 minute mark?

Hutton had a Wisconsin offer. Ironic given all your stupid posts about Wisconsin.

You don't know what you're talking about, and its obvious.

 

[RocknRollface]

Considering Fran has given scholarships to the likes of Ingram, Myers, Ellingson, Flemming and failed to run off the likes of Archie, Brommer when he came in, I would say Baer is upgrade over all those players.

Yes, Baer is probably better than all those players.

Yes Fran reached allot early on, it was unavoidable given what he had to work with, and its been assumed that he was told not to run off Licks players considering how many had already transferred the previous 3 years.

 

[Hawk40forever]

What is one of the main reasons the Seahawks had such a good run lately? Because they were getting nearly All-Pro level performance from a QB making $800,000. Did Russell Wilson deserve more money than that? Sure, but that's the going rate for a third round draft pick and because they were saving so much money they were able to spend that savings on building quality depth at other positions. They didn't pay Russell more until they had to.

Baer is like a good late round draft pick. He's a bonus, we got a rotation quality guy for free. That's now an advantage for us, but everyone on here wants to rush to limit that advantage as soon as possible. Might as well go all out to see if we can find two quality players first and if we don't land anyone then let Baer get his ride.

I see where you are coming and agree to a point. But the minute Wilson's contract was up he wanted more money. A lot more money. And he got it. Do you think he would have stayed in Seattle if they said,"Hey Russell, do you mind staying at $800,000 a year until the end of your career here because we want to see if we can bring in better players with the money we could (should) be paying you?" I feel like that is the situation that the Hawks are in with Baer. His rookie contract (as a walk on) is up (he outplayed his walk on status like Russell outplayed his rookie contract) and they have the money (scholarship) to pay him. Obviously comparing Russell to Baer is severely unfair to Russell but like the Seahawks with Russell's rookie contract, the Hawkeyes didn't have to or were able to give Baer a scholly. Now they can. If they can guarantee they can bring in a Tyler Ulis type player that will elevate the program, then I am all for that. Just not sure I believe right now that Fran can do that. I hope he can at some point. I just think giving Baer his just due is the right thing to do. I am sure Fran will do what is best for the program.

 

[RocknRollface]

Yes, I agree that Fran has reached...but he has made reaches for guys that lack athleticism and upside. Of all those names, only Dickerson had athleticism and Fran didn't try to meld him into the team...Fran was too content with his known quantity Gesell.

Fran's recruiting of diamonds in rough is overstated. He found White, who happened to grow a couple inches after he was offered. Olesani, was good find.

The rest of Fran's good players aren't case of being diamonds in rough.
Gatens and Marble were previous to Fran. Uthoff fell into Fran's lap. Jok was highly rated and got injured. That isn't a case of fran scouring gyms and projecting guys to become good.

Completely untrue. Seriously, WTF are you talking about?

 

[33hawkfan]

I see where you are coming and agree to a point. But the minute Wilson's contract was up he wanted more money. A lot more money. And he got it. Do you think he would have stayed in Seattle if they said,"Hey Russell, do you mind staying at $800,000 a year until the end of your career here because we want to see if we can bring in better players with the money we could (should) be paying you?" I feel like that is the situation that the Hawks are in with Baer. His rookie contract (as a walk on) is up (he outplayed his walk on status like Russell outplayed his rookie contract) and they have the money (scholarship) to pay him. Obviously comparing Russell to Baer is severely unfair to Russell but like the Seahawks with Russell's rookie contract, the Hawkeyes didn't have to or were able to give Baer a scholly. Now they can. If they can guarantee they can bring in a Tyler Ulis type player that will elevate the program, then I am all for that. Just not sure I believe right now that Fran can do that. I hope he can at some point. I just think giving Baer his just due is the right thing to do. I am sure Fran will do what is best for the program.

All I'm saying is I don't know if we're at that point yet. If we are, and Baer is looking to leave unless he gets a scholarship, then I have no problem with giving him one. If he's willing to remain a walk on, then I'm keeping those scholarships open until I've exhausted all transfer/late signee options and if we don't land a couple good players by that time, then by all means give it to Baer.

 

[Hawk40forever]

All I'm saying is I don't know if we're at that point yet. If we are, and Baer is looking to leave unless he gets a scholarship, then I have no problem with giving him one. If he's willing to remain a walk on, then I'm keeping those scholarships open until I've exhausted all transfer/late signee options and if we don't land a couple good players by that time, then by all means give it to Baer.

If Baer himself is cool with being a walk on then I absolutely agree with you, use those two open scholarships to find us a damn PG that can shoot FT's late and shoot the mid range jumper consistently. Whatever it takes to take us beyond the first round of the Big Ten Tourney and the second round of the NCAA's.

 

[CentralIAHawk]

lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That one had me rolling, after I read his comment out loud a couple of times.

Go Hawks!

 

[amahawk]

Apparently not, guessing we have a lot of middle managers on this board who are happy with where they are at and have no shot at ever actually managing anything meaningful. When you are actually in charge of things you can't always be worrying about people's feelings over what's good for the entire program or company. Keep both scholarships open unitl you're sure you can't find anyone better than what we currently have on the roster, then Fran can give it to Baer.

This!

 

[EZ2BJZ]

Ellingson is better than Fleming, not sure about Hutton though

Lol. At what? Badminton?

 

[jt91]

Is he going to leave if he doesn't get one? I don't think either of us know this or know his financial situation. If his family is well off I'm certainly not going to be in a rush to use a newly free scholarship on somebody already on the team.

His family is not "well off" and therefore not deserving. He has 2 sisters at Iowa, and two younger siblings in HS. If you know anything about his family's history (apparently you don't), there are other factors involved that would make you feel foolish asking the question. He deserves the ride, and will get it when the coaches get back.

 

[ZumaHawk]

I'm not sure why 33hawkfan just doesn't give it up. Baer deserves & has earned a scholarship. It's ok to say I spoke out of turn. But, he'll keep arguing instead.

 

[crHawkeye92]

Lol. At what? Badminton?

To be fair, if Fleming was better then he would've gotten playing time over Ellingson like Christian Williams did. Fleming was a poor defender and couldn't make shots earlier in the year.

 

[dbleagle1]

Is he going to leave if he doesn't get one? I don't think either of us know this or know his financial situation. If his family is well off I'm certainly not going to be in a rush to use a newly free scholarship on somebody already on the team.

Not even someone who has more than earned a scholarship? He should be #1 in line for one, period.

 

[GENIUSi]

So we want to rely on walk-ons?

Good ones, yeah.

Ever watch our football team play?

 

[FranklinHawk]

All I'm saying is I don't know if we're at that point yet. If we are, and Baer is looking to leave unless he gets a scholarship, then I have no problem with giving him one. If he's willing to remain a walk on, then I'm keeping those scholarships open until I've exhausted all transfer/late signee options and if we don't land a couple good players by that time, then by all means give it to Baer.

So would you also not give employees raises until they threatened to quit?

The bottom line is I'm sure Nic and Fran have already discussed this and know where each other stand. If 1 of the rides is given to Baer immediately I have zero issue with that.

 

[CyCity]

Lol. At what? Badminton?

There's a reason Ellingson played over Fleming

 

[FranklinHawk]

There's a reason Ellingson played over Fleming

Trust me, on this board you'll have more than a few that will say it's because Fran plays favorites and not because Brady was simply better. There's also a reason that when Ellingson lost his minutes that Williams and not Fleming took them.