Anti-gun people...
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Didn't come back to that thread sorry.
I don't think there are any traps that cannot be worked through.
Yesterday's thread about the 7 year old wandering the neighborhood with the pistol left on the mantle was a prime example.
Someone needed to be held accountable in that home. I don't think you legislate how you secure a gun in the home, because there are too many acceptable methods.
You legislate what happens when you don't secure a gun in the home.
That seems reasonable. Do you see a reasonable corollary to a law that would address parenting? Would you want the parents of this Oregon shooter prosecuted?
That's tougher, because he was 26.(I guess the ACA would still call him a dependent)
I do think if the mother was an enabler(knew he was mentally disabled and helped him build an arsenal) then she should be held as complicit in some fashion.
If he is living on his own, like the Colorado theater shooter, then we are not having this conversation.
There needs to be some shared responsibility for what you allow in your home that spills out into a community in that manner.(pointing back to the Oregon situation)
We would likely need a law that makes it illegal for mentally disabled people to get guns if that is going to hold. If you are going to hold parents responsible for doing legal things that might lead to a death, then no teenager is ever getting another car.
If the parent's hosted a bender where they provided alcohol to under age drivers then the kids went driving and got the dead; you're damn right I'd hold those parents responsible.
If they're sober, licensed by the government to drive, insured, then all involved are clear.
That doesn't seem consistent. The Oregon guy was acting legally. That's why you would need to make his gun possession illegal if you wanted to hold mom responsible.
Um, they put it into the framework in the form of a well regulated militia, in part to help quell any uprisings against the government.
All I know is, if I am one of those Oregon parents who just put my child in the ground this week and I see that mother still walking the Earth freely...
I'd feel that there was little justice in this world.
Like anti-govt people? You recall any posts you made after cop shootings? Or war deaths?
Speaking of wars, more US citizens have died from guns since 1970 than from all US wars. How come you're only concerned about the one and not the other?
And now you're on the anti gun team. Because that's really all it takes. If you think its reasonable to background check people and limit the rights of people who have demonstrated some inability to be trusted with firearms, you are put on that side. The anti gun side is full of reasonable people just like you.
No.
Because that is where the Anti-Gun ideas stop. Superficial legislation that will not move the needle. It's fluffy and makes for a good news bite.
You need to get on board with my personal accountability team and want to make a tangible impact on our society.
Why are you not wanting to go to greater depths?
I asked you for policy proposals on your idea and you ran. Until you can pony up ideas, you don't have a personal accountability team. I'm all ears and open minded. Let me know when you got something.
Now this is the debate I like to have. Because defending government was the whole point of the 2nd.
You are shutting down.
I told you that a scale-able, legal deterrent based upon severity.
You threw out some blocking point about gun-locks/lockers/safes etc. and then turned your critical thinking ability off.
You can legislate lack of responsibility.
Example - Leave a loaded gun on the mantle for a seven year old kid?
Have your weapons confiscated, pay a fine, take a gun safety course, before you have your weapons returned.
If the 7 year old takes said gun and shoots the neighbor kid because you are an irresponsible gun owner?
Well, you just might do some time as a punishment to show our 2A society what happens when you chose to not responsibly exercise your right.
This is a very odd reply. I ask you for information about the plan you proposed. You won't give me information, yet accuse me of shutting down. Now you and I both know the reason, its because your plan is distastefully authoritarian and would draw all sorts of criticism.
I gave you examples of how it would be applied.
Is gun grabbing the paradigm you're stuck on?
I missed it, what example did you give me other then the gun safety one we already agreed to which would indicate guns are actually on your mind? How would you legislate responsible parenting?
We already do.
We've legislated the parenting for education, vaccination and other health concerns. There is legislation for child endangerment, riding in a car, seatbelts, driving, drinking, smoking...etc. The precedent has been set.
If the head of household is complicit even through apathy in a crime then their should be some responsibility.
Why is this like pulling teeth? This is supposed to be your plan you wanted to talk about. What laws do you want to add?
I dunno, but is situations like the 7 year old walking the streets with a gun I think a public canning would be in order.
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