Anti-gun people...

[theIowaHawk]

Again, you are having an issue with an objective evolution in how security is provided. It has nothing to do with my beliefs. I'm sure there are anachronistic laws on the books about a great many things that simply don't apply today. You shouldn't get to decide to just reinterpret an outdated provision for state militias as some unqualified individual right for near any weapon system. And yet you have and SCOTUS has largely gone along with you. But that's a far greater harm to society in my view.

Well I disagree on the basis of definitional arms. Although we can't entirely discern what it means, "arms" is not some nebulous term. Using that term allows for "objective evolution in how security is provided," because, as you admit, this changes drastically over time...something the founders well knew.

 

[JRHawk2003]

Based on the NRA types definitions I should be able to have weapons grade Anthrax to defend myself. It says 'Arms'.

 

[Guck-a-Fator]

 

[JRHawk2003]

Thats a nice made up Internet bar graph

 

[Guck-a-Fator]

Thats a nice made up Internet bar graph

That's A Nice river in Egypt you are swimming in.....

http://www.youngcons.com/the-gun-control-chart-democrats-really-dont-want-you-to-see/

 

[naturalmwa]

So ban cars and take women out of the work force and we could all be safer. We've been thinking about this all wrong.

 

[JRHawk2003]

Whats the source of the statistic?

By that logic, if we all had nukes...there would be no crime at all.

 

[Guck-a-Fator]

Whats the source of the statistic?

By that logic, if we all had nukes...there would be no crime at all.

only if you compare apples to oranges.... but carry on.....

 

[JRHawk2003]

only if you compare apples to oranges.... but carry on.....

Have anything substantive to add?

 

[Guck-a-Fator]

Have anything substantive to add?

I added the Chart....you have anything substantive to add?

http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/the-gun-control-chart-liberals-are-desperately-trying-to-hide

 

[JRHawk2003]

You added a made up chart that doesn't even have a source, hence me asking for something of substance. Cite something. Demonstrate causality statistically if you can.

 

[Guck-a-Fator]

You added a made up chart that doesn't even have a source, hence me asking for something of substance. Cite something. Demonstrate causality statistically if you can.

Made up because you don't like what it says.... get over yourself....

 

[Guck-a-Fator]

Let's let you dig a hole....

 

[naturalmwa]

That chart makes it look like homicide went way down when internet porn became widely available. Maybe controlling "guns" is the wrong direction. We should be trying to shoot them off more.

 

[Guck-a-Fator]

 

[naturalmwa]

Who wants to ban guns?

 

[Guck-a-Fator]

Who wants to ban guns?

lol SMH..... What part of "Shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

 

[naturalmwa]

lol SMH..... What part of "Shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

You're new here so I'm going to forgive you for not reading this thread to gain the answer you ask. But if you want to ask a question I've already answered here, you're going to first need to answer mine. Welcome to HROT.

 

[Guck-a-Fator]

Ive been here before.... just not since the "re-Opening{

 

[naturalmwa]

Ive been here before.... just not since the "re-Opening{

Welcome back in that case. Can we agree no one is trying to ban or confiscate guns? All the proposals are about limiting access to certain types of guns for certain people in narrow and specific ways.

 

[Guck-a-Fator]

We should have access to the same guns the government would use to subdue any citizen.....

 

[JRHawk2003]

So are you advocating for anyone to be able to get any sort of arm? After all..."shall not be infringed"....right?

That chart cites no source. Did you ever have to write a paper and cite an actual statistical source? What homicide rate is that? Who gathered the data? What is the source?

 

[naturalmwa]

We should have access to the same guns the government would use to subdue any citizen.....

Now you've said a lot. Why do you think this and what do you think is the best way to achieve this parity?

 

[Guck-a-Fator]

Now you've said a lot. Why do you think this and what do you think is the best way to achieve this parity?

Well allowing conceal carry and open carry will stop a lot of bs.... but banning any type of gun...is "Banning guns"

 

[JRHawk2003]

Not guns...arms...the consitution says arms....what part of "arms" dont you understand?

Do you support the idea that people should be able to get weapons grade Anthrax freely for self defense? It is an arm after all.

 

[naturalmwa]

Well allowing conceal carry and open carry will stop a lot of bs.... but banning any type of gun...is "Banning guns"

Not according to the chart you posted. In your chart the debate is framed as access to an effective means of defence. If you are now defining restrictions of any kind as a ban, then you are not debating honestly.

 

[Guck-a-Fator]

Sigh.... argueing with liberals..... I'll never learn.....

 

[naturalmwa]

Sounds like they get the best of you a lot.

 

[Guck-a-Fator]

Sounds like they get the best of you a lot.

lol....actually...never been touched,.....only in the mind of a liberal loon maybe,.... but since I am so "new" here...I guess I have to find those who argue in circles....and those who actually "argue" ....

 

[naturalmwa]

Good luck.

 

[JRHawk2003]

Yeah, because using things like actual statistical sources is a liberal trait....

Also, you seem to interpret the passage literally when it says "shall not infringe". One would assume you would do the same with the term "arms".

I will repeat the question:

Do you support the idea that people should be able to get weapons grade Anthrax freely for self defense? It is an arm after all.

 

[fredjr82]

Sigh.... argueing with liberals..... I'll never learn.....

Looks.....like....spelling..is...something....you....also....never......learned.

 

[theIowaHawk]

lol SMH..... What part of "Shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

There it is.

So you are in favor of felons having guns, right? Good to see I'm not alone!

 

[Guck-a-Fator]

 

[BelemNole]

lol, guck in all his glory. Gifs, bad spelling, lots of ellipsis, and no logic or facts to back any of it up.

 

[Guck-a-Fator]

lol, guck in all his glory. Gifs, bad spelling, lots of ellipsis, and no logic or facts to back any of it up.

The Rock Hugger has a Guck Fetish..... comes from being owned.... pay attention

 

[naturalmwa]

The Rock Hugger has a Guck Fetish..... comes from being owned.... pay attention

Fetish reference?

 

[Guck-a-Fator]

Fetish reference?

yeah,...and? you have to excuse Belem,... he has always followed be around and made outlandish comments..... Must be a California thing....

 

[naturalmwa]

yeah,...and?

I'm impressed. We seem to be in the extreme minority around here. Are you into dungeon play, slaves, fam or just traditional sub/dom?

 

[Guck-a-Fator]

I'm impressed. We seem to be in the extreme minority around here. Are you into dungeon play, slaves, fam or just traditional sub/dom?

no.... belem is your guy....