You still do not understand, showing your ignorance on this matter, it does not matter if one person from the Pacific coast views the game, the Pac 12 will charge every household in Iowa that has cable or satellite tv one dollar a month. Does not matter if you are an Iowa fan, ISU fan, or no fan at all, everyone that has cable or satellite pays and the Pac 12 gets the money. That is the beauty of the what BTN started, and all three conferences, SEC, ACC, and PAC 12 have followed the same model. Now with cord cutting that may change but we do not know how that will work out for years, and by then ISU will already be in the Pac 12.
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You still do not understand, showing your ignorance on this matter, it does not matter if one person from the Pacific coast views the game, the Pac 12 will charge every household in Iowa that has cable or satellite tv one dollar a month. Does not matter if you are an Iowa fan, ISU fan, or no fan at all, everyone that has cable or satellite pays and the Pac 12 gets the money. That is the beauty of the what BTN started, and all three conferences, SEC, ACC, and PAC 12 have followed the same model. Now with cord cutting that may change but we do not know how that will work out for years, and by then ISU will already be in the Pac 12.
You are really looking like a fool here, this has nothing to do with winning records, size of fan base, bowl games won by your school or overall football record. BYU brings the Pac 12 zero new dollars, they already have Utah in the conference, Montana has less than 1 million people, Iowa has over 3 million. Plus ISU is an AAU school, Boise is a Tier 2 school, basically a junior college academic wise.
You got another thing right, congrads. UCLA and USC will not be playing in Ames in November, ISU will be in the Northern part of the conference, but you can bet that Oregon, Oregon St. Washington and W. State will be playing in Ames in November. USC and UCLA will be in Ames late Sept. and October. Still waiting for the list of those four other teams that will bring in more money to the PAC 12 than ISU. And remember, this is ALL about MONEY, not past, present or future football success, but how much money you bring into the conference. If it was not Rutgers would still be in the AAC and Maryland in the ACC.
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Yeah OK. Good luck getting USC, UCLA, Oregon, etc., signing off on frickin' ISU to the PAC 12. No my friend it is you who doesn't get it. Still takes the schools to vote on additions and still will be regardless going forward. So once again, good luck getting a little brother that is historically a bottom 10 football team that is totally unknown or at worst a joke to the west coast with no graduate schools to be invited. You are the not only the smallest fish in Iowa compared to the Hawks but plankton to the PAC 12. Never will happen. And funny is both Randy and Chris agree. Your better hope is ACC which won't happen either. You better check metrics pal. Go back and circle jerk on Jacobson to the Clones for hoops.
You really are dumb and delusional. And after all your posts you have none of your Clones to agree. Good troll though. Made me think and realize how screwed ISU is on implosion.
Insults are used when you have lost the argument. All the school you mentioned will sign off on ISU, because they will profit from having ISU in the conference, and be less of threat to actually beat them in football. Follow the money, because you and your hated for ISU is making you REALLY look FOOLISH. I get it, you are one of those Iowa fans that want to see ISU in the MAC so bad you can taste it. Never going to happen, and I have showed you why, you might as well get used to it, and learn to live with it. Because ISU is not going away.
The problem with this whole argument is that it is incorrect. It does matter that ISU sucks and it does matter about TV ratings, you are only factoring in Big Ten Network money and fail to factor in the contracts with other networks- hence Rutgers and Maryland helping the cause. Here is a quote from 2016 if you do not believe me:
"The latest Big Ten media-rights contract will earn the conference an average of $440 million annually over the next six years, according to a report in the Sports Business Journal.
The deal’s biggest players are Fox, which came to its agreement with the Big Ten in April, and ESPN."
So yeah ISU brings nothing to the table other than an above average basketball program. There is no way in hell you are going to have UCLA, USC, ASU, Arizona wanting to travel to Ames, Iowa in November to play a football game- I am pretty sure they will have a say in the process wouldn't you think.
Boise State is not good academically, but half of the Pac 12 is worse than Nebraska (lowest in the Big 10) - they just get propped up by Stanford, Cal,USC, and UCLA. Boise State also doesn't offer enough sports that many conferences require - but that could easily change with P5/4 money.
There has been a lot of talk about how the BTN makes their money. Do you know how the Pac 12 makes it? I don't know. I know they divide some of their televising into geographic areas like Pac 12 - Mountain, Bay Area, etc.
There has been a lot of talk about how the BTN makes their money. Do you know how the Pac 12 makes it? I don't know. I know they divide some of their televising into geographic areas like Pac 12 - Mountain, Bay Area, etc.
Good luck to the young man. Unfortunately his chances of playing in the league would go up 10 fold if he played OL for the hawks and not the clones.
Most of that 440 million is for BTN, how many times is Purdue, Rutgers and others on national TV, once or twice a year. ISU is on espn now when they play a few home games each year, they will be on ESPN 1 when they play Texas this fall. What did Rutgers and Maryland bring to the Big 10 football wise? Nothing, they brought markets, when the big 12 goes under, ISU will bring the state of Iowa, it will not be like Maryland and New Jersey, but will bring in the most money other than Texas of the remaining states. That and being a AAU team brings value to the Pac 12. And as I have stated before, it does not matter if you watch or not, everyone pays. Ames being 25 miles from Des Moines will bring in enough local adds for the few that they are allowed to sell. Will ISU want to go and play half their games two time zones away, no, they will not, they, Kansas St. Texas Tech, will not have a choice, its do it and continue to stay on the gravy train or go to the AAC and lose 30 million a year a least in the athletic programs. They will all go, they have to stay relatively competitive.
Iowa State's OC/OL coach was National OL Coach of the Year a couple years ago at Toledo. He has put a few guys in the NFL, including Greg Mancz who started most of the year for Houston Texans and Zac Kerin of the Vikings.Good luck to the young man. Unfortunately his chances of playing in the league would go up 10 fold if he played OL for the hawks and not the clones.
Campbell is actively involved in the OL the same way KF used to be at Iowa, and was a good OL coach himself.
The Rhoads staff recruited horribly on the OL and Campbell/Manning will put OLs in the NFL.
Way too many people think this is all about football success and only football success. Its not, this will be the last chance to make a P4 conference and the value and money that it brings . The school that will be hurt the worst will be W. Virginia, they, along with their decent football program will be left out, no place for them to go, to far for the PAC 12, few people in the state, and the SEC, ACC, and Big 10 will be full. No one will touch Baylor. Iowa fans can say it will not happen, but I would say they are wrong, it makes way too much sense and brings the Pac 12 the most money.
Still waiting for those other four teams? Don't disappoint me and leave. What's next, calling me a CLOWN.
You're asking the wrong question. For example, BTN is about to do a deal with FOX that will increase revenues to $500 M per year. But that is for the right to broadcast top tier games. Top tier games. Pac 12 will follow suit. So it does matter who they add. If they think ISU vs anyone is a top tier game, they will look at them. Is ISU top tier? You can argue if you want that Iowa isn't a top tier team, but they play a lot of top tier games.
Won't call you a Clown. Sorry for name calling I do like you are way more thoughtful than most. Even though you name called me! Now, here the is problem with the argument. Don't know who else from the Big 12 would go west. What if it is Okie and Okie St? Or TCU and Tech? Or Kansas and KSU? I am guessing you would agree the Big 10 and Sec are never options for ISU. If not, no discussion. So it is the the ACC and PAC 12. I personally believe the ACC is the only potential landing spot. Basketball and academics count plus no huge time zone issues. Anyway, I could give once again a bunch of schools the PAC 12 would take over ISU even under your theory which rests on taking Iowa for a market. I will agree to disagee on that. There is no way that would ever work. I simply cannot believe the powers that be would take ISU over BYU, Bosie St., Colorado St, and Utah St. And this assumes no other Big 12 schools go west. I believe the only chance ISU has is the ACC. But maybe I am wrong. Once again, if you think the Big 10 or SEC would ever be an option that is insane.
You must have missed the demise of the big east which was once the strongest bball conference where they all left because of football. Been plenty of comments from bball guys like jay bilas who admit it even though they hate it that football drives the ship when it comes to realignment. Mountain west maybe PAC 12 well I believe that when I see it. But keep telling yourself if that makes you feel better.
https://www.usnews.com/education/be...-among-the-2017-us-news-best-colleges?slide=2
Sorry for the slideshow, but the source is US News & World Report. Iowa doesn't fair a ton better, but there isn't a bad academic school in the Big 10.
That is because football is the only revenue generating sport for 99% of all athletic programs. WVU will be fine because they are the only school in WVU and they are located in much more promising geographic location for the ACC or SEC and you know they don't suck 90% of all sports like ISU. I am guessing ISU ends up in the MAC and that would be a good thing for them because they might be able to win 6 games and play after the month of November at least 1 out of 5 years
Good information thanks. I'm not that familiar with the new staff. Maybe this will be the guy to get ISU back to the level Danny Mac had them, but we'll see. If their going to be putting players in the league, their going to need to stick aroung more then 3 or 4 years, something no ones done there since they ran Dan off.
The problem is just that, if Campbell doesn't win he will be gone in 3-4 years, if he does turn the program around he will be gone in 3-4 years. ISU is not a destination location because nobody wants to coach at a little brother school in the state (if you can't admit that is the case then I don't know what to tell you). You would need an alum and that hasn't even worked out at ISU in hoops or wrestling......essentially good luck to them
Make good points. Though I'd guess a school with ISU football's lack of success may give 5-6 years a year or 2 more than the average school for Campbell. I think part of why they were so happy with Rhoads early on is he had a little success and being from Nevada, IA he was one of the few coaches who wouldn't leave if someone came calling. But ended up burning them big time after they gave him that 10 year deal made KF's contract look not as bad. But if I was Campbell and some other school came calling I'd pull a Chizik and leave in a heartbeat.
I said this earlier. Either they continue to be a horror show football-wise and Campbell takes his monthly paycheck or they get to 6 wins and Campbell is long gone. Love how their idiot fans rip on KF and the money Iowa pays him. Well 3 top 10 finishes, 2 national coach of the year awards, player accolades, pipeline to the NFL, etc. Jesus, Ricky Stanzi won as many bowl games at Iowa as ISU has ever won. Is that seriously true?! Those ISU people are seriously clueless.
If they ever some how win another bowl game, Ricky Stanzi should present them with the trophy. No matter how old he is at that time.
Where did all the ISU fans go? All of the sudden facts begin to get thrown out and some credible opinions and they up and leave
On a side note, I honestly believe that ISU should discontinue their entire athletic program because it is seriously an embarassment to the state of Iowa to have them representing the state.
On a side note, I honestly believe that ISU should discontinue their entire athletic program because it is seriously an embarassment to the state of Iowa to have them representing the state.
Ree - still pissed Iowa didn't give a drop dead take or leave on a 2 for 1 home and home. So would ISU walk? And lose their only sellout and only relevance. And if they walk then they get UNI coverage in the Register? What would Randy and Williams discuss year round? I am still so confused. Historically they are rated below teams that don't even have football programs anymore. I asked a question on another thread and if true I will be shocked. Does KF, the guy ISU fans rip and mock for salary, have more top 10's in his tenure than ISU has top 25's in its entire history? Simple question. If true that is a walk off on why Iowa and ISU is not a fair comparison and in fact not In the same universe. But oh yeah, we are in the same boat on conference realignment. What a joke.
Here is another sad fact in ISU football in the entire program history they've finished ranked 2x.
1976 (8-3) #19
2000 (9-3) #25
Holy shot. No way. That is insane. Oh my God. But according to all Clones we are in the same boat?! WTF?! That is so much worse than I ever thought. Seriously I thought would be they have 5-6 top 25's ever and KF has had 5 top 10's. Jesus that would be embarrassing enough. But f-ing 2 top 25's ever?! And one from 1976 and the other from 2000 at 25? Oh yeah Clones, the PAC 12 is begging you to join!!!!
That's not entirely true- if you google worst college football programs of all time ISU is ranked annually-
This year they were ranked 17th- right between eastern michigan and New Mexico
17. Iowa State Cyclones
Iowa State has an overall record of 498-597-46 since they began playing in 1892, but were an above .500 team until 1945. They have been one of the worst teams in college football ever since.
They have only won two conference titles over that span and have been to 11 bowl games with only three victories.
Not many teams from a major conference have a worse history than the Cyclones, particularly recently.
So what? North Dakota has less than 1 million in population too. Does that point to the SEC going after the clowns to join their conference?
Still here, just got home from work, as for your 2 for 1 idea, ISU would tell Iowa to stick it, hell it might be the best for both teams in the long run. Iowa would then go out and schedule another team from the MAC most years with a Syracuse or Pitt every now and then. Got to have those 7 home games. As to your other question, I never said ISU would be then only big 12 school to go, I also named Kansas State and Texas Tech. None of the schools want to play 2 time zones away, they will have no choice, if they want to keep the money coming in at anywhere near current levels. As to someone's comment about W. Virginia being fine and getting a home in the SEC or ACC, both conferences had a chance to add WV before they came to the Big 12, they both passed. ACC would be much better off taking U CONN, better basketball, larger state to draw from, more money, much better education. SEC might take them, but in my post, I stated they will take Oklahoma and Ok. State, so there will not be a spot for them in either conference. I suppose the Big 10 could take them, not going to happen, and they are further from the Pac 12 schools than the remaining Big 12 members.
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