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Average Attendance for MBB = 9,712. Scanned Tickets Ave = 5,202 (35% of 14,998 Capacity)

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I have been saying for a while now that announced attendance and scanned tickets (actual butts in the seats) are 2 very different numbers. @HawkHoops80 questioned me on this, thinking the 2 numbers were the same.

As you will read, just 6,390 tickets have been scanned on average at Friday/Saturday/Sunday games (43% of Carver-Hawkeye Arena’s 14,998 capacity).

Good story from the Gazette from today:

Iowa men’s basketball’s attendance woes are worse than official numbers suggest, lack quick fixes

Tickets-scanned data paints bleak picture of men’s basketball turnout at Carver-Hawkeye Arena

John Steppe


John Steppe
Cedar Rapids Gazette
john.steppe@thegazette.com
Feb. 10, 2024 6:30 am


IOWA CITY — Fran McCaffery was hopeful for a “good” crowd last weekend against Ohio State.

One does not need to look far to understand why. It was a Friday night game. The 6 p.m. start time was helpful for any fans who had to drive back to Des Moines or other distant locales afterward.

It was a winnable game against an Ohio State team that had lost its previous three games.

Cost was not an issue either. Some ticket prices on StubHub before fees were cheaper than the signature Carver Cones that fans crave. After fees, it was still cheaper than the soft-serve ice cream in a souvenir bowl.

But, according to ticket-scanned data, more seats were empty than occupied for the Hawkeyes’ entertaining, 79-77, win over Ohio State.

It has been a consistent issue for the Hawkeyes this season.

Iowa’s listed attendance average of 9,712 fans per home game ranks 10th out of the 14 teams in the Big Ten. Data obtained by The Gazette via public records requests paints an even bleaker picture about men’s basketball turnout.

In Iowa’s13 home men’s basketball games so far — 12 regular-season games and one preseason exhibition — the Hawkeyes averaged 5,202 tickets scanned per game.

That equates to a mere 35 percent occupancy of 14,998-seat Carver-Hawkeye Arena.

A major winter storm in January led to a season-low 1,351 fans at the Iowa-Nebraska game, but even if you exclude that game, the average would be only 5,523.

The Ohio State game had 6,875 tickets scanned, according to Iowa Athletics.

The only time when the arena was more than two-thirds full — again based on tickets-scanned data, which looks at how many people are actually at the game versus how many bought tickets — was the Hawkeyes’ loss to then-No. 2 Purdue on Saturday, Jan. 20.

“You always want to grow your crowd,” Iowa athletics director Beth Goetz told The Gazette. “You want to make sure that you create an environment that everybody — your fans and your athletes — enjoy being in. If and when those are down a little bit, it’s our responsibility to look and figure out how we can try to address that.”

McCaffery believes Iowa fans “really support the team.”

“The key for us — and it’s been this way for a long time — is weekend games,” McCaffery said the day before the Ohio State game.

Weekend games are more amenable for fans traveling the roughly two hours from the Des Moines area, 30 minutes from Cedar Rapids or hour from the Quad Cities.

An 8 p.m. start time on a Tuesday, on the other hand, would mean someone traveling back to Des Moines might not make it home until midnight (while possibly having to work the next morning).

“We make it real easy for you to watch it on TV,” McCaffery said, “and they often don’t like the start times. During a midweek, you got issues with that. They show up on the weekends typically.”

To McCaffery’s point, weekend home games have experienced better turnout than weeknight home games. Iowa’s weeknight games have averaged 3,303 tickets scanned versus 6,390 on Friday, Saturday and Sunday games.

“We don’t want to use that as an excuse, but we do have to recognize that if you’re playing a weekday game at 8 p.m., then it’s going to impact who’s going to have the ability to attend,” Goetz said.

The 6,390 fans on average at Friday/Saturday/Sunday games still make up only 43 percent of Carver-Hawkeye Arena’s capacity.

Iowa men’s basketball also has benefited from a fair share of weekend games in 2023-24. Home games on Friday, Saturday or Sunday have outnumbered weeknight games, 8-5, so far this season. Three of Iowa’s four remaining home games are on weekends as well.

Other teams on campus and across the Big Ten have shown weeknight slots do not necessarily create an insurmountable challenge to convince fans to attend.

The weeknight-versus-weekend dilemma does not exist for Iowa women’s basketball, which has sold out every home game and seen third-party ticket prices rise well into the triple-digits. The Iowa women benefit greatly from having reigning National Player of the Year Caitlin Clark, though.

Looking at population demographics, the U.S. Census-defined Cedar Rapids-Iowa City Combined Statistical Area has 454,583 people, according to the 2022 estimate. Nebraska and Purdue are in significantly smaller Census-marked CSAs, yet boast significantly higher men’s basketball attendance numbers than the Hawkeyes.

A lack of postseason success appears to drive some apathy toward the men’s basketball program. Iowa has gone 24 seasons without advancing to the Sweet 16 after previously going through a two-decade stretch with five trips to the second weekend of the tournament.

But the regular-season results — the results of the games fans are choosing not to attend this year — have been largely positive in recent years for a program that is not a traditional men’s basketball powerhouse.

McCaffery, in his 14th season leading the Hawkeyes, is the program’s all-time leader in overall and Big Ten wins.

The Hawkeyes have earned NCAA tournament bids in four consecutive years — the longest streak for the program since the 1980s — and it would have been five straight tournaments, had COVID-19 not forced the cancellation of 2020 March Madness.

Iowa has won 20-plus games in eight of the last 11 seasons after previously going six straight seasons without 20-plus wins.

That’s not to mention the 2022 season, when Iowa won the Big Ten tournament title. The 26 wins in that season were the second-most in program history behind Tom Davis’ 30-win team in 1986.

This year’s apathy toward men’s basketball had some subtle warning signs as early as last season.

Results from Iowa Athletics’ end-of-year survey to ticket-buying fans, which The Gazette obtained via a public records request, indicated a 12-point drop in net promoter scale from plus-39 to plus-27. (The net promoter scale is a “measure of fan satisfaction and loyalty” that ranges from minus-100 to plus-100.)

The plus-27 score, while still considered “healthy,” was well below the plus-82 for men’s wrestling and plus-93 for women’s basketball.

Goetz anticipates the department doing something “a little more robust, a little more in depth” than a typical midseason or end-of-season survey after this season to gather more data and “understand more what the barriers are that exist.”

“There’s a real data analysis that has to happen to understand who is coming,” Goetz said. “When and where are they using their tickets? Where are those tickets coming from? And you really have to dial in and talk directly to your fans — those that are attending each game, and those that are not, perhaps season ticket holders in the past and haven’t renewed and try to figure out what those dynamics are.”

Some schools have moved into smaller, more intimate venues. Baylor, for example, moved earlier this year from the 10,284-seat Farrell Center to the 7,000-seat Foster Pavilion.

Goetz has previously signaled a desire to renovate 41-year-old Carver-Hawkeye Arena, saying last year that the arena has been a “great friend and home to us for about 40 years, and we need it to continue to be so for a few more decades to come.”

Iowa Athletics began a feasibility study last year, marking the first step toward a major renovation of Carver-Hawkeye Arena. Those plans are not yet finalized, but Goetz does “envision it’ll shrink just a little bit” from a seating capacity standpoint.

“Shrinking a venue a little bit and trying to make sure we meet the demand is likely an important way to think about things as we make those decisions,” Goetz said.

As for those who did show up for last Friday’s Ohio State-Iowa game, Goetz thought they were “animated, passionate, into the game.” But she also recognizes the need to improve attendance.

“We’re going to continue to do our best to make sure that we provide an environment that’s going to get them there, so we can support the program as best we can,” Goetz said.

Game vs Rutgers on Saturday, Jan. 6, 2024:




 
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Lack of NCAA tournament success in the 21st century, and frankly since 1989 (one Sweet 16 appearance under a lame duck coach) has resulted in multiple generations of potential fans being much less engaged with the program.

When someone is less engaged with the Iowa men’s program, convenience becomes a driving factor in attendance— day of week, start time, weather, older arena, etc.

Fran’s inability to make a tournament run with Garza and the Murray twins has resulted in many fans tuning out given the realization that Iowa will NOT make a tournament run as long as Fran remains.
 
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Of course the actual attendance is well below the listed attendance. There was never any doubt. This article establishes the magnitude.
 
I don't really want them to have to fire Fran. I would hope that with the all time school win record and that many years he would know the timing was right.
 
I could be wrong but I think Fran is signed thru 2027-2028.

The linked story is from Jan 30. It lists MBB buyouts.

6 of the top 9 come from the B1G.

1. $41.3M John Calipari (Kentucky)
2. $30.8M Steve Pikiell (Rutgers)
4. $25.3M Brad Underwood (Illinois)
6. $23.0M Kevin Williard (Maryland)
7. $20.0M Mick Cronin (UCLA)
8. $19.6M Dana Altman (Oregon)
9. $18.6M Chris Holtmann (Ohio State)

 
Gotta give the UI / Beth credit. They are trying.

The Iowa women tip off at 12:00 pm CT. The Iowa men tip off at 2:00 pm CT. The Super Bowl kicks off at 5:30 pm CT.

 
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and damn, have you seen how big they are?
My lady friend and her growing back side have! My old ass knees can't handle the hike up and down to get her delicious ice cream 😋 They need soft serve dudes and dudettes with cones for old farts like me.
 
My lady friend and her growing back side have! My old ass knees can't handle the hike up and down to get her delicious ice cream 😋 They need soft serve dudes and dudettes with cones for old farts like me.

I realize that Lute Olson wanted the arena built into the ground, but its too bad they didn't build Carver with a concourse half way up; and back then luxury suites were not "a thing," IIRC....

I just hope the upcoming renovation is more than just a band aid; if they are going to do a renovation, get it right....
 
I realize that Lute Olson wanted the arena built into the ground, but its too bad they didn't build Carver with a concourse half way up; and back then luxury suites were not "a thing," IIRC....

I just hope the upcoming renovation is more than just a band aid; if they are going to do a renovation, get it right....
Totally agreed. Back in its day, I remember when they broke ground for Carver, it was quite the ta doo. Time marches on I suppose.
 
I realize that Lute Olson wanted the arena built into the ground, but its too bad they didn't build Carver with a concourse half way up; and back then luxury suites were not "a thing," IIRC....

I just hope the upcoming renovation is more than just a band aid; if they are going to do a renovation, get it right....

They wanted it to be like "the pit" in New Mexico. Yeah, not so much...
 
They could take out a stretch of seats halfway down, all the way around and create a suite level.
I think they should remove one seat next to each side of the aisle and widen the steps, that way by the time you get to court level all you see are stairs
 
Today's Super Bowl Sunday, Feb 11th, 2:00 pm CT tip game vs Minnesota:

Announced Attendance: 9,768

Scanned tickets? TBD.

As you can see, there were lots of empty seats.

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Guessing scanned were in the 6,969 to 7,355 range.


I wouldn’t mind if they enclosed the upper bowl with suites using the top 8-10 row or so. Or if that’s even possible, along with moving the seats closer to the floor. The amount of empty floor space, especially behind the baskets is incredibly wasted.

In true Iowa fashion though, they put the “premium seats” in the top six rows behind one basket blocking them off with black curtains.
 
I have always been a huge Hawkeye fan for all sports. However the last few years for men's basketball have been just meh for me, because it's all about winning. For me the style of play or even the players is secondary to winning. I remember back with Lute and Dr. Tom you always felt they could win any game. I still feel that way with football by the way, and obviously we know there are some games where the odds are heavily against us, I still believe there is a chance. With today's men's basketball that doesn't seem to be the case. When you haven't won anything in decades, you get to the point you stop believing and caring.
 
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I disagree. It's separate. If the men won, Fans would go.

No Big Ten regular season titles since 1979 and no Sweet 16s since 1999 and 2 since 1989.
Idk that the two are mutually exclusive, both can be true here. I do think it’s hard to sell out for both men’s and women’s; especially given the current disparity in quality thanks to Clark and co.
Gotta give the UI / Beth credit. They are trying.

The Iowa women tip off at 12:00 pm CT. The Iowa men tip off at 2:00 pm CT. The Super Bowl kicks off at 5:30 pm CT.


Only mistake they made was they need to give more notice - they’ve done this with a couple other promotions (blackout/striped games) where they only gave 24 hours notice).

While a lot is on the product; there’s a fair amount of blame on the athletic department as a whole: under Barta they haven’t been proactive at improving fan engagement. Goetz seems to recognize this and is working on it.

Carver is a pretty good atmosphere when people show up. There’s a load of reasons why they haven’t.
 
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They could take out a stretch of seats halfway down, all the way around and create a suite level.
Depending on engineering requirements and renovation costs, some luxury box plan makes sense. Right-size CHA for the current market. Shrink overall general capacity by 5k+ and add dollars from corporate and major donor suite leases.
 
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