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B1G expansion plans?

If OU left the B12 that would force Texas to consider leaving, that league already is top heavy and would stink if OU left.
 
You fellas are so gullible. The BTN/Fox has been and is looking at scooping up all the Big 12 T3 rights for the network as the RSN's will have to be sold off as part of the Disney deal. It has absolutely nothing to do with realignment. This has been bounced around for a bit now...anything but "breaking news" in spite of Flugaur, who is consistently wrong on everything, considering this to be at the "epic center" of the situation. Anyone who confuses epicenter with "epic center" is a peawit at best.
 
Lots of pie in the sky going on there. There was a solid WOB in there though:

"Oklahoma is the epic center of possible Realignment"
 
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There are two locks and a maybe in the Big12 for consideration. Texas and Oklahoma are obvious. Kansas has a big time basketball program but not much on the gridiron.

It has been rumored that Texas had made it clear that if the BIG10 expands to 16 teams it wants in if the four newcomers are Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and you Herkies are gonna love the last one - Iowa State.

Before you get all huffy about the Cyclones consider it geographically from the Longhorn and Sooner point of view, not just in football and basketball but in the other "non-revenue" sports as well. This configuration would lock up enough TV eyeballs to make it the premier league to the advertisers, while leaving the SEC, ACC and PAC12 as viable as well.

If, and it is a big if. If Notre Dame changed course and at long last accepted the inevitable and finally agreed to join the BIG10 then Texas has hinted that it would like Missouri and Arkansas to bolt and join in leaving OU, Kansas and Iowa State to find another dance partner inside a suddenly lonely conference, most likely Colorado State.


Consider this:

WEST
Texas
Oklahoma
Kansas
Nebraska
Iowa State
Iowa
Wisconsin
Minnesota

EAST
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Illinois
Northwestern
Rutgers
Maryland
Penn State

Or if there is a God, this:

West
Texas
Nebraska
Iowa
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Missouri
Arkansas
Illinois

East
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Notre Dame
Northwestern
Rutgers
Maryland
Penn State

In any event its the BIG10 that remains in the drivers seat and all the rest, including the SEC, will be just spectators.
 
MesaClone said:
You fellas are so gullible. The BTN/Fox has been and is looking at scooping up all the Big 12 T3 rights for the network as the RSN's will have to be sold off as part of the Disney deal. It has absolutely nothing to do with realignment. This has been bounced around for a bit now...anything but "breaking news" in spite of Flugaur, who is consistently wrong on everything, considering this to be at the "epic center" of the situation. Anyone who confuses epicenter with "epic center" is a peawit at best.
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OU refuses to extend the GOR, you think all is fine and dandy with the conference, and we're the gullible ones. Right.
 
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Big Bluestem said:
There are two locks and a maybe in the Big12 for consideration. Texas and Oklahoma are obvious. Kansas has a big time basketball program but not much on the gridiron.

It has been rumored that Texas had made it clear that if the BIG10 expands to 16 teams it wants in if the four newcomers are Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and you Herkies are gonna love the last one - Iowa State.

Before you get all huffy about the Cyclones consider it geographically from the Longhorn and Sooner point of view, not just in football and basketball but in the other "non-revenue" sports as well. This configuration would lock up enough TV eyeballs to make it the premier league to the advertisers, while leaving the SEC, ACC and PAC12 as viable as well.

If, and it is a big if. If Notre Dame changed course and at long last accepted the inevitable and finally agreed to join the BIG10 then Texas has hinted that it would like Missouri and Arkansas to bolt and join in leaving OU, Kansas and Iowa State to find another dance partner inside a suddenly lonely conference, most likely Colorado State.


Consider this:

WEST
Texas
Oklahoma
Kansas
Nebraska
Iowa State
Iowa
Wisconsin
Minnesota

EAST
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Illinois
Northwestern
Rutgers
Maryland
Penn State

Or if there is a God, this:

West
Texas
Nebraska
Iowa
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Missouri
Arkansas
Illinois

East
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Notre Dame
Northwestern
Rutgers
Maryland
Penn State

In any event its the BIG10 that remains in the drivers seat and all the rest, including the SEC, will be just spectators.
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0 chance Texas strong-arms the Big Ten into taking ISU.
 
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Big Bluestem said:
There are two locks and a maybe in the Big12 for consideration. Texas and Oklahoma are obvious. Kansas has a big time basketball program but not much on the gridiron.

It has been rumored that Texas had made it clear that if the BIG10 expands to 16 teams it wants in if the four newcomers are Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and you Herkies are gonna love the last one - Iowa State.


In any event its the BIG10 that remains in the drivers seat and all the rest, including the SEC, will be just spectators.
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Where?
 
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Big Bluestem said:
There are two locks and a maybe in the Big12 for consideration. Texas and Oklahoma are obvious. Kansas has a big time basketball program but not much on the gridiron.

It has been rumored that Texas had made it clear that if the BIG10 expands to 16 teams it wants in if the four newcomers are Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and you Herkies are gonna love the last one - Iowa State.

Before you get all huffy about the Cyclones consider it geographically from the Longhorn and Sooner point of view, not just in football and basketball but in the other "non-revenue" sports as well. This configuration would lock up enough TV eyeballs to make it the premier league to the advertisers, while leaving the SEC, ACC and PAC12 as viable as well.

If, and it is a big if. If Notre Dame changed course and at long last accepted the inevitable and finally agreed to join the BIG10 then Texas has hinted that it would like Missouri and Arkansas to bolt and join in leaving OU, Kansas and Iowa State to find another dance partner inside a suddenly lonely conference, most likely Colorado State.


Consider this:

WEST
Texas
Oklahoma
Kansas
Nebraska
Iowa State
Iowa
Wisconsin
Minnesota

EAST
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Illinois
Northwestern
Rutgers
Maryland
Penn State

Or if there is a God, this:

West
Texas
Nebraska
Iowa
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Missouri
Arkansas
Illinois

East
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Notre Dame
Northwestern
Rutgers
Maryland
Penn State

In any event its the BIG10 that remains in the drivers seat and all the rest, including the SEC, will be just spectators.
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Soooo, we're kicking Indiana and Purdue out? No wonder the Big 12 teams can't get into a decent conference, they have no idea how to count!
 
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I don't believe any conference will go past 16 teams ...going past the number makes it unwieldy at best.

Texas would have to give up the LHN (or share it equitably among the other B1G schools) before it would be allowed to join. They most likely wouldn't, they also wouldn't like the fact that they would no longer be THE big dog in the yard. You can pretty much rule them out.

OU would make the most sense overall. KU would make sense as well. Problem with either one is politics. Would they be allowed by politicians in either state to leave their "lil brother" behind?

Regarding ISwho, no, the B1G would NEVER allow them to join. The bring NOTHING to the table....NOTHING.
 
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Big Bluestem said:
There are two locks and a maybe in the Big12 for consideration. Texas and Oklahoma are obvious. Kansas has a big time basketball program but not much on the gridiron.

It has been rumored that Texas had made it clear that if the BIG10 expands to 16 teams it wants in if the four newcomers are Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and you Herkies are gonna love the last one - Iowa State.

Before you get all huffy about the Cyclones consider it geographically from the Longhorn and Sooner point of view, not just in football and basketball but in the other "non-revenue" sports as well. This configuration would lock up enough TV eyeballs to make it the premier league to the advertisers, while leaving the SEC, ACC and PAC12 as viable as well.

If, and it is a big if. If Notre Dame changed course and at long last accepted the inevitable and finally agreed to join the BIG10 then Texas has hinted that it would like Missouri and Arkansas to bolt and join in leaving OU, Kansas and Iowa State to find another dance partner inside a suddenly lonely conference, most likely Colorado State.


Consider this:

WEST
Texas
Oklahoma
Kansas
Nebraska
Iowa State
Iowa
Wisconsin
Minnesota

EAST
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Illinois
Northwestern
Rutgers
Maryland
Penn State

Or if there is a God, this:

West
Texas
Nebraska
Iowa
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Missouri
Arkansas
Illinois

East
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Notre Dame
Northwestern
Rutgers
Maryland
Penn State

In any event its the BIG10 that remains in the drivers seat and all the rest, including the SEC, will be just spectators.
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Gonzo Bloor said:
OU refuses to extend the GOR, you think all is fine and dandy with the conference, and we're the gullible ones. Right.
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OU hasn't refused anything. No one is looking to do anything with the GOR until the next round of contracts...which is when GOR's are always done in this context. When negotiations begin for that, around 2022 or so, the GOR will also be re-set. Anything can happen in college realignment...Penn State could decide it wants to join the ACC...but the likelihood of such events are miniscule at this point.

Nothing Flugaur cites is indicative of ANYTHING related to realignment...maybe you need to rethink the "epic center" of the argument you're trying to make based on his silly assertions. The guy has been wrong about virtually everything for many years now...so he IS consistent.
 
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MesaClone said:
OU hasn't refused anything. No one is looking to do anything with the GOR until the next round of contracts...which is when GOR's are always done in this context. When negotiations begin for that, around 2022 or so, the GOR will also be re-set. Anything can happen in college realignment...Penn State could decide it wants to join the ACC...but the likelihood of such events are miniscule at this point.

Nothing Flugaur cites is indicative of ANYTHING related to realignment...maybe you need to rethink the "epic center" of the argument you're trying to make based on his silly assertions. The guy has been wrong about virtually everything for many years now...so he IS consistent.
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...grant-of-rights-extension-ranking-candidates/

I'm not making any argument. I said a lot can happen between now and then. But if I were an ISU fan and OU and Texas refused to extend the GOR, I'd be worried.

Weren't you the one on here a few years ago saying that Florida St. and Clemson to the Big 12 was a lock?
 
Gonzo Bloor said:
https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...grant-of-rights-extension-ranking-candidates/

I'm not making any argument. I said a lot can happen between now and then. But if I were an ISU fan and OU and Texas refused to extend the GOR, I'd be worried.

Weren't you the one on here a few years ago saying that Florida St. and Clemson to the Big 12 was a lock?
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As was made clear, neither of those teams have refused to extend the GOR. No one has suggested extended, nor even considered the option this far out from contract renewals. Tossing out a canard of GOR refusal simply demonstrates your lack of any real comprehension on this topic.
 
MesaClone said:
As was made clear, neither of those teams have refused to extend the GOR. No one has suggested extended, nor even considered the option this far out from contract renewals. Tossing out a canard of GOR refusal simply demonstrates the lack of any real argument on this topic.
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Weren't you the one on here a few years ago saying Florida St. and Clemson to the Big 12 was going to happen?
 
MesaClone said:
As was made clear, neither of those teams have refused to extend the GOR. No one has suggested extended, nor even considered the option this far out from contract renewals. Tossing out a canard of GOR refusal simply demonstrates your lack of any real comprehension on this topic.
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You have no freaking clue what’s being discussed in back channel conversations. None.
 
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MepoDawg# said:
You have no freaking clue what’s being discussed in back channel conversations. None.
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Pretty sure he's the one on here years ago saying how Florida St. and Clemson were going to jump to the Big 12. Makes perfect sense that he's now here talking about how unreliable other people are about this stuff. And makes it extra legit to throw in impressive words like 'canard'. He must be really smart.
 
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This'll get lambasted, but A) no conference should be beyond 12 schools except for the almighty dollar and B) I hate purely financial decisions.

1. Notre Dame but begrudgingly
2. Missouri
3. Virginia
4. Kentucky
5. Kansas
6. Oklahoma
7. Texas

Doubtful any happen.
 
Pretty clear the Big 12 is, has and always will be a mess. They have the worst leadership of any P5 conference. Constant grumbling, schools like Baylor, ISU or KSU have no other recourse if Oklahoma and Texas bail. Iowa State is in the worst shape because they aren't an academic powerhouse . They also don't have a running mate to watch their back like Kansas State or Oklahoma State.

If the Big 12 falls only Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas have any real value. That alone should speak to how weak the Big 12 is. They lost Texas A&M, Colorado, Missouri and Nebraska and replaced them with West Virginia and TCU.

Nobody is leaving another P5 conference for the Big 12. That cesspool is going to dry up soon, unfortunately the school that created the mess will walkway with no repercussions.
 
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PlutoDroid said:
Pretty clear the Big 12 is, has and always will be a mess. They have the worst leadership of any P5 conference. Constant grumbling, schools like Baylor, ISU or KSU have no other recourse if Oklahoma and Texas bail. Iowa State is in the worst shape because they aren't an academic powerhouse . They also don't have a running mate to watch their back like Kansas State or Oklahoma State.

If the Big 12 falls only Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas have any real value. That alone should speak to how weak the Big 12 is. They lost Texas A&M, Colorado, Missouri and Nebraska and replaced them with West Virginia and TCU.

Nobody is leaving another P5 conference for the Big 12. That cesspool is going to dry up soon, unfortunately the school that created the mess will walkway with no repercussions.
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Texas is the only real academic powerhouse in the conference but ISU is among the best of the rest academically.
 
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HawkIDrummer said:
GOR?
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Grant of Rights agreement. It's basically all that's holding the conference together. It says that if any Big 12 school leaves the conference, the Big 12 retains the $$$ rights to any of their media revenue, basically. Other conferences have it as well. The Big 12's agreement is good through 2025. Texas and OU are on record not wanting to extend it, preferring to keep their options open.
 
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IF the B1G does expand again, it will be a team outside, but close to the current footprint. The only exception is one team in the footprint (we know who). That limits it to just a selected few. Texas and Oklahoma are too far out. Leaves schools like Kansas or Virginia and North Carolina as Top choices.
 
Gonzo Bloor said:
Grant of Rights agreement. It's basically all that's holding the conference together. It says that if any Big 12 school leaves the conference, the Big 12 retains the $$$ rights to any of their media revenue, basically. Other conferences have it as well. The Big 12's agreement is good through 2025. Texas and OU are on record not wanting to extend it, preferring to keep their options open.
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No doubt a "negotiated buy out" could happen...if it came to that.
 
Gonzo Bloor said:
Grant of Rights agreement. It's basically all that's holding the conference together. It says that if any Big 12 school leaves the conference, the Big 12 retains the $$$ rights to any of their media revenue, basically. Other conferences have it as well. The Big 12's agreement is good through 2025. Texas and OU are on record not wanting to extend it, preferring to keep their options open.
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No, they are not on record preferring to keep their options open...you've simply made that up. Nobody in the league wants to extend the GOR now...because no team in any league does so in the middle of the contractual period. This is like claiming OSU is "on record" keeping options open because it is refusing to sign a new B1G GOR...ludicrous. Sheesh.

As for Clemson/Florida and this fantasy you've concocted...get serious. Those two flirted a little with the Big 12, that much is certainly true, That's pretty much it, however, as nobody I've read or heard claimed they were a done deal to the B12...no idea where you've read such a thing, but it wasn't from me. Quit reading dingbats like Flugaur and the Dude of WV...you might as well seek out a medium.
 
When you look at Big Ten expansion in the modern era (post Michigan State in the 1950s) you have four teams. Penn State, Nebraska, Maryland and Rutgers.

When admitted all four were members of the Association of American Universities, a prestigious group of 60 research universities in the United States and two in Canada. When Nebraska was voted into the Big Ten they were a member of the AAU. All other Big Ten schools are members. Three Big 12 schools are members- Texas, Iowa State, and Kansas. Big Ten presidents are likely to frown on admitting a non-AAU member.

Furthermore, all Big Ten schools become members of the Big Ten Academic Alliance (formerly the CIC). That means ten-billion dollars in research funding distributed to member schools. That means a lot to university administrations and faculty. They can afford to be choosy. Who do you admit that can measure up? Texas, Iowa State and Kansas can make solid arguments. Oklahoma? Not at all.

Also going back to Penn State in the 1990s, every addition has been in a state bordering a Big Ten state.
 
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Gonzo Bloor said:
Texas is the only real academic powerhouse in the conference but ISU is among the best of the rest academically.
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The B1G has Northwestern, Michigan, Michigan State,Wisconsin, Purdue, Penn State, Ohio State, Maryland and Minnesota in the top 100 colleges in America.

The ACC has Duke, North Carolina, Boston College, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, Miami, Clemson.

The SEC has Vanderbilt, Florida,Georgia, Missouri, Texas A&M.

The Pac 12 has Stanford, USC, UCLA, Colorado, Washington, Cal

The Big 12 has Texas.

So the B1G has 9 of the top 100 colleges in the United States, The ACC has 9, the SEC has 5 and Pac 12 has 6. The Big 12 has 1, I think that is quite telling.

https://www.niche.com/colleges/search/best-colleges/
 
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MesaClone said:
No, they are not on record preferring to keep their options open...you've simply made that up. Nobody in the league wants to extend the GOR now...because no team in any league does so in the middle of the contractual period. This is like claiming OSU is "on record" keeping options open because it is refusing to sign a new B1G GOR...ludicrous. Sheesh.

As for Clemson/Florida and this fantasy you've concocted...get serious. Those two flirted a little with the Big 12, that much is certainly true, That's pretty much it, however, as nobody I've read or heard claimed they were a done deal to the B12...no idea where you've read such a thing, but it wasn't from me. Quit reading dingbats like Flugaur and the Dude of WV...you might as well seek out a medium.
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Yeah, I thought that was you. It was more than flirtation. You were saying it was going to happen. I'm sure someone with better message board chops than me could search and find it but I remember it was you.

Actually it might have been the Scout board. That's probably it. I remember it was your name talking about that, same pompous dooshy dumbass, and yes you were saying it was as good as done.

Good call.
 
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