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B1G expansion plans?

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Pretty clear the Big 12 is, has and always will be a mess. They have the worst leadership of any P5 conference. Constant grumbling, schools like Baylor, ISU or KSU have no other recourse if Oklahoma and Texas bail. Iowa State is in the worst shape because they aren't an academic powerhouse . They also don't have a running mate to watch their back like Kansas State or Oklahoma State.

If the Big 12 falls only Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas have any real value. That alone should speak to how weak the Big 12 is. They lost Texas A&M, Colorado, Missouri and Nebraska and replaced them with West Virginia and TCU.

Nobody is leaving another P5 conference for the Big 12. That cesspool is going to dry up soon, unfortunately the school that created the mess will walkway with no repercussions.
LOL
 
I'm sure the SEC would fight hard for OU.
My point was that I find the idea of OU going to the BiG highly unlikely for a number of reasons. It doesn't fit the conference profile in any respect. But the conference has been a little loosy-goosy with that profile, so I would never rule out anything.
 
My point was that I find the idea of OU going to the BiG highly unlikely for a number of reasons. It doesn't fit the conference profile in any respect. But the conference has been a little loosy-goosy with that profile, so I would never rule out anything.

Neither did Nebby, really. And renewing OU/Nebby would be pretty attractive to a lot of people.
 
Neither did Nebby, really. And renewing OU/Nebby would be pretty attractive to a lot of people.
Nebby was who I had in mind when I said the league had gotten loose with its standards. Huskers were in the AAU when they joined, but they were on the verge of being ousted and everybody in academia knew it.

I'm not saying it's a bad school. It isn't, nothing close to it. Neither is OU.
 
Those wanting the b10 to add texas or Oklahoma. I have news for you. The ferentz smoke and mirror show would be over. No more scheduling non conference wins and hiding in the west. The 12-0 fraudulent season will never happen again with b10 expansion
 
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There are two locks and a maybe in the Big12 for consideration. Texas and Oklahoma are obvious. Kansas has a big time basketball program but not much on the gridiron.

It has been rumored that Texas had made it clear that if the BIG10 expands to 16 teams it wants in if the four newcomers are Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and you Herkies are gonna love the last one - Iowa State.

Before you get all huffy about the Cyclones consider it geographically from the Longhorn and Sooner point of view, not just in football and basketball but in the other "non-revenue" sports as well. This configuration would lock up enough TV eyeballs to make it the premier league to the advertisers, while leaving the SEC, ACC and PAC12 as viable as well.

If, and it is a big if. If Notre Dame changed course and at long last accepted the inevitable and finally agreed to join the BIG10 then Texas has hinted that it would like Missouri and Arkansas to bolt and join in leaving OU, Kansas and Iowa State to find another dance partner inside a suddenly lonely conference, most likely Colorado State.


Consider this:

WEST
Texas
Oklahoma
Kansas
Nebraska
Iowa State
Iowa
Wisconsin
Minnesota

EAST
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Illinois
Northwestern
Rutgers
Maryland
Penn State

Or if there is a God, this:

West
Texas
Nebraska
Iowa
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Missouri
Arkansas
Illinois

East
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Notre Dame
Northwestern
Rutgers
Maryland
Penn State

In any event its the BIG10 that remains in the drivers seat and all the rest, including the SEC, will be just spectators.

Texas & Kansas would have to add wrestling for this to happen.
 
The 12-0 fraudulent season will never happen again with b10 expansion

You're right. Wisconsin should be ashamed of themselves. 12-0 season with no P-5 non-conference games and no wins on the road against teams .500 or better. I just don't understand why you're posting that here on the Hawkeye board.
 
Wisconsin has shown plenty of years it will step out and play someone including LSU recently. Played at BYU last year. Though down, we would never do that
 
Those wanting the b10 to add texas or Oklahoma. I have news for you. The ferentz smoke and mirror show would be over. No more scheduling non conference wins and hiding in the west. The 12-0 fraudulent season will never happen again with b10 expansion
If Texas & Okla joined the West it would become a 2 horse race most every year, Iowa & Wis.
 
As soon as Wisconsin has a 12-0 season against 10 P5 teams with 2 wins on the road against 10-win teams, please get back to me. Until then, I agree with you that it was a fraud.
 
As soon as Wisconsin has a 12-0 season against 10 P5 teams with 2 wins on the road against 10-win teams, please get back to me. Until then, I agree with you that it was a fraud.
Our 12-0 season was the fraud. Stanford naming the score on us proved that. Keeping your head in the sand on this keeps santa claus alive
 
Ok, Iowa's season was a fraud but Wisconsin's wasn't because they beat 4-win BYU. There could be an argument as to which team was better, but there is no argument that Iowa's road to 12-0 was tougher. Your original quip was that there would be no more easy roads to 12-0 in the hypothetical scenario that Okla and TX joined the B1G West. I completely agree....I just used a better example.
 
Pretty clear the Big 12 is, has and always will be a mess. They have the worst leadership of any P5 conference. Constant grumbling, schools like Baylor, ISU or KSU have no other recourse if Oklahoma and Texas bail. Iowa State is in the worst shape because they aren't an academic powerhouse . They also don't have a running mate to watch their back like Kansas State or Oklahoma State.

If the Big 12 falls only Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas have any real value. That alone should speak to how weak the Big 12 is. They lost Texas A&M, Colorado, Missouri and Nebraska and replaced them with West Virginia and TCU.

Nobody is leaving another P5 conference for the Big 12. That cesspool is going to dry up soon, unfortunately the school that created the mess will walkway with no repercussions.
Hmmm isn’t the leader of the Big 12 the former AD from Iowa?
 
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Yeah, I thought that was you. It was more than flirtation. You were saying it was going to happen. I'm sure someone with better message board chops than me could search and find it but I remember it was you.

Actually it might have been the Scout board. That's probably it. I remember it was your name talking about that, same pompous dooshy dumbass, and yes you were saying it was as good as done.

Good call.

Nice try, but no. Never once called anything a done deal, not here or on any other board. Nor do I, unlike yourself evidently, follow idiots like Flugaur/Dude. That's your baby, not mine. You've already made a couple of factually incorrect statements in THIS thread...silly stuff about UT and/or OU rejecting a GOR extension, etcetera....so you lost your credibility early in the thread. No saving it now.
 
Nice try, but no. Never once called anything a done deal, not here or on any other board. Nor do I, unlike yourself evidently, follow idiots like Flugaur/Dude. That's your baby, not mine. You've already made a couple of factually incorrect statements in THIS thread...silly stuff about UT and/or OU rejecting a GOR extension, etcetera....so you lost your credibility early in the thread. No saving it now.

Yeah, it was you. On the Scout board. I'd try running from that level of stupid as well.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...grant-of-rights-extension-ranking-candidates/

Multiple sources through the expansion process have mentioned that, for Texas and Oklahoma alone, it is difficult to find support to extend the grant of rights past its expiration in 2025.

Those two schools are thought to have the most conference options when the 13-year, $2.6 billion media rights contract with ESPN and Fox expires in eight years.

"Those grant of rights aren't going to be extended," an official at one of those schools told CBS Sports.
 
Ok, Iowa's season was a fraud but Wisconsin's wasn't because they beat 4-win BYU. There could be an argument as to which team was better, but there is no argument that Iowa's road to 12-0 was tougher. Your original quip was that there would be no more easy roads to 12-0 in the hypothetical scenario that Okla and TX joined the B1G West. I completely agree....I just used a better example.
Wisconsin’s also wasn’t as they beat Miami in their bowl game while we were embarrassed by Stanford. Completely outmatched
 
Hmmm isn’t the leader of the Big 12 the former AD from Iowa?
That's your dig? Iowa is in the best conference in the land, great academics, geographical sense, revenue sharing.

10 years from now Iowa will still be in the B1G, one of the big boys. Texas will have given the leftovers the big old finger when they left. I guess you can whine about a former Iowa A.D costing you then.
 
IF the B1G does expand again, it will be a team outside, but close to the current footprint. The only exception is one team in the footprint (we know who). That limits it to just a selected few. Texas and Oklahoma are too far out. Leaves schools like Kansas or Virginia and North Carolina as Top choices.

KU is my bet on this side of the geographical footprint.

*-AAU member since 1909 (same as Iowa);
*-Medical school (with their own Cancer Center);
*-Several top ranked programs including Education, Business, and Law;
*-Brings more tv's from Kansas City than Mizzou (only 1/2 hour from KC and a major airport vs 2 hours from Columbia);
*-Lot$ of development/growth going on over on the KS side of Kansas City compared to the MO side;
*-More of a liberal slant to the city/area than Mizzou and probably Neb for that matter;
*-Kansas was on the same side as the rest of the states in the conference in the 1860's politically;
*-Name recognition/history with regard to basketball (football too if you go back before Devaney's days at Nebraska. Before Neb joined the B10, the KU-Neb game was the 3rd most played game in college history behind Wisc-Minn and KU-Mizzou);
*-Major player in history of all of basketball not just college (same with track and the Kansas relays? They are putting in many chair back seats around the track for spectators);
*-Rutgers football was non-existent when they came in. A little $$$ and the right person could make KU decent in football (think Mangino a while back);
*-Endowment of $1.6B vs Iowa's $1.3B and ISU's $700M

The only downside to KU is the current state of their football and that could be corrected.
 
KU is my bet on this side of the geographical footprint.

*-AAU member since 1909 (same as Iowa);
*-Medical school (with their own Cancer Center);
*-Several top ranked programs including Education, Business, and Law;
*-Brings more tv's from Kansas City than Mizzou (only 1/2 hour from KC and a major airport vs 2 hours from Columbia);
*-Lot$ of development/growth going on over on the KS side of Kansas City compared to the MO side;
*-More of a liberal slant to the city/area than Mizzou and probably Neb for that matter;
*-Kansas was on the same side as the rest of the states in the conference in the 1860's politically;
*-Name recognition/history with regard to basketball (football too if you go back before Devaney's days at Nebraska. Before Neb joined the B10, the KU-Neb game was the 3rd most played game in college history behind Wisc-Minn and KU-Mizzou);
*-Major player in history of all of basketball not just college (same with track and the Kansas relays? They are putting in many chair back seats around the track for spectators);
*-Rutgers football was non-existent when they came in. A little $$$ and the right person could make KU decent in football (think Mangino a while back);
*-Endowment of $1.6B vs Iowa's $1.3B and ISU's $700M

The only downside to KU is the current state of their football and that could be corrected.

They don't have wrestling.
 
They don't have wrestling.

They did until the late 1960's. Could be added. (Have very nice baseball facilities which ISU does not have)

Also meant to add earlier their new track seats 7000 spectators; last December an alum donated $50million to help refurb the 7th oldest college football stadium in the US. Seats as many as Rutgers, IU, Maryland, NW, and Minny. Also just completed $30million practice facility with offices, weights, etc.
 
Nebby was who I had in mind when I said the league had gotten loose with its standards. Huskers were in the AAU when they joined, but they were on the verge of being ousted and everybody in academia knew it.

I'm not saying it's a bad school. It isn't, nothing close to it. Neither is OU.
You would have to admit Nebraska and Oklahoma is a step up for current Big Ten schools like Northwestern, Illinois, and Rutgers
 
Wisconsin’s also wasn’t as they beat Miami in their bowl game while we were embarrassed by Stanford. Completely outmatched

You're bad at making arguments.

I apologize to everyone else for hijacking this thread with this pointless banter with this numbnuts fake Iowa fan. I'm done. You can have him.
 
You would have to admit Nebraska and Oklahoma is a step up for current Big Ten schools like Northwestern, Illinois, and Rutgers
I would not hesitate to agree, but a number of posters here would disagree....and did so vehemently when Nebraska was in the Big XII.
 
All we’re saying is that ISwho would be a very nice pickup for the MWC. They would also finally get a legit chance at winning a conference championship. Win-Win.
 
Yeah, it was you. On the Scout board. I'd try running from that level of stupid as well.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...grant-of-rights-extension-ranking-candidates/

Multiple sources through the expansion process have mentioned that, for Texas and Oklahoma alone, it is difficult to find support to extend the grant of rights past its expiration in 2025.

Those two schools are thought to have the most conference options when the 13-year, $2.6 billion media rights contract with ESPN and Fox expires in eight years.

"Those grant of rights aren't going to be extended," an official at one of those schools told CBS Sports.

So, your source is...anonymous rumors? Seriously, that's all you have? You should go work for CNN immediately, you're their kind of reporter.
 
So, your source is...anonymous rumors? Seriously, that's all you have? You should go work for CNN immediately, you're their kind of reporter.

It's CBS Sports source, which makes it far more credible than the guy who claimed FSU and Clemson were joining the Big 12.
 
So, your source is...anonymous rumors? Seriously, that's all you have? You should go work for CNN immediately, you're their kind of reporter.

CBS Sports reported it, dumbass. Nice CNN shot though, good to know what I'm dealing with here. Explains a lot about you.

What was your source for FSU and Clemson joining the Big 12? What a gem that was.
 
All we’re saying is that ISwho would be a very nice pickup for the MWC. They would also finally get a legit chance at winning a conference championship. Win-Win.
ISU wouldn’t be able to win the MWC. And I’m talking ever. There’s too many teams that are better than them on a yearly basis.

CSU, Boise St, SDSt, Air Force, & Wyo to name a few.
 
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