Baloney. They just don’t want the government paying for or endorsing it.
Belief in God in U.S. dips to 81%, a new low
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The vast majority of scholars believe Jesus existed.
There's tons of historical evidence both Christian (The Gospels) and non-Christian. (Josephus, Tacitus. etc.) as to who Jesus was.
And I’m not using god as my crutch for the unexplainable. They actually had a cat scan of the brain when someone was dying and had some more info come in on how the brain works.
First-ever scan of a dying human brain reveals life may actually 'flash before your eyes'
The accidental finding was made when a man suddenly died during a routine brain scan.
That’s not what he was saying and not what he was predicting. Most half baked half assed undergraduate courses in philosophy will teach book one of his genealogy of morals, but then ignore book 2 and especially book 3, where Nietzsche recommends that one way out of nihilism is to basically become an ascetic priest
what he was mainly criticizing is middledling or fascist institutionalized religion. As well as of course consumerism, the slave morality, I’ll kinds of things. Even his phrase “will to power“ was basically a marketing ploy by his sister made after he was dead himself. He is one of the most ridiculously misread philosophers I know, and By misread I mostly mean people pretending to have read him and throwing around a few quotes taken out of context. And also many people who actually do read a little bit of his stuff more often than not completely miss the point
That's pretty much exactly what he was saying.
"God is dead": What Nietzsche really meant
The death of God didn’t strike Nietzsche as an entirely good thing. Without a God, the basic belief system of Western Europe was in jeopardy.
bigthink.com
The vast majority of scholars and people believe Sai Baba existed too. And Jim Jones. And All kinds of cult leaders and charismatic people and some of them talented and influential people. None of them, Jesus included, have been definitively proven to have been God.
but some beliefs persist. Some beliefs are so powerful people are willing to kill for them in the name of their God. As if any God would want various groups of people appealing to sad God as inspiration for our justification for war and destruction and assimilation and slavery and genocide and oppression etc etc.
Okay so you’re quoting somebody else’s summary of something? Obviously you haven’t read him. And you failed to address my point. If you’re interested in talking about nietzsche, read all of his genealogy of morals and I’d honestly be happy to talk to you about it because it’s very interesting. Brilliant. And usually most people don’t read the whole thing, or worse, they cite basically the CliffsNotes, or a one page article like you did.That's pretty much exactly what he was saying.
"God is dead": What Nietzsche really meant
The death of God didn’t strike Nietzsche as an entirely good thing. Without a God, the basic belief system of Western Europe was in jeopardy.
The "minimal facts" theory that nearly all scholars believe is that Jesus existed, was crucified, His tomb was empty, His followers claimed He resurrected and His body has never been found.
Atheists have to explain what happened there
because something surely did.
You didn't even read the article before dismissing it.
I studied Nietzsche for years. I read "The Gay Science", "Ecce Homo", "Thus Spake Zarathustra" and some of the "Will to Power." I also read several biographies of him as well as all of his letters. (They're on Wikipedia.) This was back in 2008-2013 before I reverted to the Catholic Church.
I'm very aware his Nazi sister edited parts of "The Will to Power" so his philosophy is often misinterpreted.
I'm not saying I'm a Nietzsche scholar. Far from it.
That being said, it seems to be common knowledge that when he proclaimed "God is dead" that he was saying Christianity was dying out and had to be replaced.
His final project was "The Transvaluation of all values" but he went insane before it happened.
What do you think I'm missing here?
P.S. here's a good documentary of him I've watched 50 times.
Stories written later to match a preordained story are no surprise.
Again you don’t understand the topic. Yes some scientists are religious. Doesn’t mean that their faith doesn’t violates science principles.
science only deals with what can either be proven or disproven. Faith and god fall outside the spectrum of science.
My Christian faith is completely compatible with science. I think your understanding of Christianity may be a little narrow.
The friggin Catholic church definitely did its part to participate and get a ton of Jews killed. Complicit is the best word that comes to mind.
Science only deals with the natural world. It has nothing to do with anything outside of space and time because that's not testable using the scientific method.
Further, although I love science, it's pretty limited considering it can't even tell us what dark matter is.
The atheists taking Pascal's wager are the only one with any guts. They're the only one's who put anything on the line. The rest are cowards.Religious people give more to charity than the non-religious and they also volunteer more. By alot.
Agnosticism is a cop out.
If you're truly agnostic, take Pascal's Wager.
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It's a foundational tenant of our government. God doesn't belong in the public square. It belongs in the private building of your worship to you and similar followers.
I don't think the Founding Fathers wanted God eliminated from the public square.
Separation of Church and state was about not having one official state religion like Anglican.
It didn't mean eliminating Christianity from public life. Many Founding Fathers like Ben Franklin and John Adams thought it was important to have a religious people.
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The Catholic Church was persecuted by the Nazis, too. Thousands of clergy were killed. Hitler told Goebbels that he was going to destroy the Churches after the war.
Nuns saved thousands of Jewish children from certain death.
Nazi persecution of the Catholic Church in Germany - Wikipedia
Jefferson explained his support for religious freedom in practical terms: “(I)t does me no injury for my neighbor to believe in twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”
Was America founded as a Christian nation? | CNN
That question has served a variety of political causes since July 4, 1776, from legalizing persecution and aiding runaway slaves to fighting Nazis.
The Founding Fathers’ Religious Wisdom
This notion—that our country’s roots are explicitly Christian—is both foolish and wrong.
www.americanprogress.org
Jefferson explained his support for religious freedom in practical terms: “(I)t does me no injury for my neighbor to believe in twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”
Was America founded as a Christian nation? | CNN
That question has served a variety of political causes since July 4, 1776, from legalizing persecution and aiding runaway slaves to fighting Nazis.www.cnn.com
The Founding Fathers’ Religious Wisdom
This notion—that our country’s roots are explicitly Christian—is both foolish and wrong.
That doesn't mean he wanted religion eliminated from the public square.
The Founding Fathers were worried about one denomination becoming the official religion of the state.
George Washington was very pro-God.
If they knew how atheistic America would become, I bet they wouldn't approve.
I think America is more about self-worship these days.
I agree, self worship by the way of State. Seem to want to pass legislation to completely fund and control their lives.
I mean more like narcissism, where most people only care about themselves and their bank accounts.
I would say it is a lot lower than 81%. People are just afraid to say they don't believe in a god because it is almost expected that we are supposed to believe.
They pushed this book at the scholastic book fair after Colombine:
She Said Yes: The Unlikely Martyrdom of Cassie Bernall - Wikipedia
They pushed this book at the scholastic book fair after Colombine:
She Said Yes: The Unlikely Martyrdom of Cassie Bernall - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
I had a friend in college who went to Columbine when this happened. Her twin sister was in the library hiding under the one of the tables close by that girl. She was the one who said when the girl was asked she said no. I guess they got pretty disgusted looks from others at the funeral when they showed up.
Lots of therapy for her and her sister.
Uhhh, yes? Why waste my already short time on earth thinking about a moot point like an afterlife?
I do have a hard time understanding how a man can be a raging serial killer, and right before he dies he claims he believes in GOD and gets to go heaven?
Yet a man who is an amazing father, lives a wonderful giving life, cares for everyone, everyone is his life believes he is an amazing man, but if he doubts there is a GOD, he goes to hell?
Silly.
Yet a man who is an amazing father, lives a wonderful giving life, cares for everyone, everyone is his life believes he is an amazing man, but if he doubts there is a GOD, he goes to hell?
Silly.
There are plenty of people that believe in God but prioritize other things in their life over attending church once a week. Additionally, you see church attendance rise on Christian Holidays like Easter, and Christmas.
I’m not very religious but I was always under the impression that God would let you in if you were to truly repent, not just say you believe in God.
Belief is a big part of religion, but who is to say that the good father wouldn’t be let in. Perhaps there could be a judgement at the pearly gates that lets him in. Surely if that were the case then this good father would be a believer.
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I encourage anyone who seeks education to read the book More than a Carpenter.
Search, study and ask about miracles that many Catholics believe did happen. Marian apparitions in Fatima, Medjugorje, Guadalupe, Lourdes, etc. Also, images of a crucified Jesus in Ocotlan, Mexico.
It becomes more difficult to deny the existence of God when you seek the truth. Some of us are fortunate enough to have a Born Again experience. My life has never been broken in a way that brought me to my knees seeking Jesus. Yet, the Holy Spirit came into my life when I was 24. It took me months to recognize it, but it was profound.
I remain a sinner. I still do bad things. I don't treat all people the way I should. I take salvation for granted. I no where close to being a shining example of what it means to be a Christian. I continue to try, and I continue to fall short. This is the human nature. Yet, I never doubt I am loved unconditionally by Him and will have eternal life in His Heavenly Kingdom. I don't deserve it, but Jesus paid the ransom for my sins.
When I fight feelings of guilt, His Spirit overwhelms me with what I can only describe as hug.
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There is overwhelming evidence of the Life and Death of Jesus. He is the most influential human in world history. His Resurrection is a matter of faith, but given historical documentation it is difficult to deny His Resurrection.
God's a prick. He decided it's ok for my neighbor's kid to get a terrible sarcoma at the age of 13 and die a prolonged and painful death that nearly destroyed that poor family. If he's all knowing and powerful and that is how he treats us (hint-we are all God's children) then he can eff off.
What a bizarre diety. All powerful, all knowing, supposedly all good. And the fundamental element of his reward system is whether you believe in him or not.
No, you do not have to make a choice. And the idea that other people have access to information about an omnipotent creature that you do not have is silly and absurd.
It’s possible there is some such creature. Perhaps Buddhists are right. Perhaps Jews are. Perhaps Muslims are. The one thing they all have in common is they believe in something for which there is no proof.
