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About him staying at Iowa, leaving or being replaced.
There is absolutely no speculation about him being replaced - except among fans that are completely out of touch. The football program is on solid ground, with very strong fan support, and Ferentz will set his own timeline for retirement.

Fran, on the other hand, is not in such a strong position. Completely different support at the fan level.
 
There is absolutely no speculation about him being replaced - except among fans that are completely out of touch. The football program is on solid ground, with very strong fan support, and Ferentz will set his own timeline for retirement.

Fran, on the other hand, is not in such a strong position. Completely different support at the fan level.
I don’t think anyone is implying that they’re going to fire him. But I laugh at everyone who thinks this guy deserves to call the shots here when it is clear he has no life outside of Iowa football and might see himself dying in the office.

When you deify your living coach and he refuses to ever leave to begin a new era, it never ends well. Penn State and Florida State will attest to that.

Kirk would be wise to have an exit strategy with a firm end date. He has to hate NIL and seeing guys like Saban giving it up has to tell him it is time to go while the program is in great shape.
 
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The above was before 2023 season. But coming in at #14 in wins the 10 years through 2022. What's your guy gonna get you? Up to 13?

Also it is all money driven now with players being bought and Iowa is not gonna compete with the big boys with the deep pockets.

#13th in winning percentage among the power five schools. Elite? No. But a strong program that absolutely should NOT be blown up. I can't for the life of me understand the vocal minority that want Ferentz gone. Especially when you consider how difficult it's been to find a great coach in basketball (easier to build a winning program in basketball than football) and how long it took our own school to find a winning coach after Evy quit. I mean, look at Nebraska, most of the people associated with that program would sell their sister to have a winning football program and they're 94th! in winnning percentage the past decade. Minnesota 40th, Illinois 111th, ISU 84th. Among our closest rivals only Wisconsin has outperformed us - they're 8th.
 
https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football-teams-most-wins-111654441.html

The above was before 2023 season. But coming in at #14 in wins the 10 years through 2022. What's your guy gonna get you? Up to 13?

Also it is all money driven now with players being bought and Iowa is not gonna compete with the big boys with the deep pockets.
So you're scared of change? Kirk isn't going to coach forever and very few want him too. I'm ready for a Dan Campbell type.

Iowa has deep enough pockets to stay at the level they've always recruited at.
 
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I don’t think anyone is implying that they’re going to fire him. But I laugh at everyone who thinks this guy deserves to call the shots here when it is clear he has no life outside of Iowa football and might see himself dying in the office.

When you deify your living coach and he refuses to ever leave to begin a new era, it never ends well. Penn State and Florida State will attest to that.

Kirk would be wise to have an exit strategy with a firm end date. He has to hate NIL and seeing guys like Saban giving it up has to tell him it is time to go while the program is in great shape.

Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan, Clemson, Notre Dame, Oregon, and Oklahoma. Those are the power 5 schools with a better winning percentage than us the past 5 years. And you act like Ferentz has lost it. 5 of the past 6 seasons we've finished in the top 25. Only one other time in Iowa football history have we finished ranked 5/6 seasons - during the mid-80's with Fry. That's it. And you're trying to sell the idea we're doing poorly and Ferentz has hung on too long?
 
#13th in winning percentage among the power five schools. Elite? No. But a strong program that absolutely should NOT be blown up. I can't for the life of me understand the vocal minority that want Ferentz gone. Especially when you consider how difficult it's been to find a great coach in basketball (easier to build a winning program in basketball than football) and how long it took our own school to find a winning coach after Evy quit. I mean, look at Nebraska, most of the people associated with that program would sell their sister to have a winning football program and they're 94th! in winnning percentage the past decade. Minnesota 40th, Illinois 111th, ISU 84th. Among our closest rivals only Wisconsin has outperformed us - they're 8th.
And yet what do we have to show for it that you can truly hang your hat on? A few decent to good bowl wins. Three failures in the conference championship.
For all Kirk has done, it's been against the weak competition you mention sprinkled with a few great wins but those are even rare lately. Maybe Lester will save him for another 5 yrs but I'd rather move on and try something different.
 
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So you're scared of change? Kirk isn't going to coach forever and very few want him too. I'm ready for a Dan Campbell type.

Iowa has deep enough pockets to stay at the level they've always recruited at.

And that recruiting level is largely going to be a losing program without an elite development program.

And I want a Coach K type in basketball. Surely if we wish it then it will happen.
 
Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan, Clemson, Notre Dame, Oregon, and Oklahoma. Those are the power 5 schools with a better winning percentage than us the past 5 years. And you act like Ferentz has lost it. 5 of the past 6 seasons we've finished in the top 25. Only one other time in Iowa football history have we finished ranked 5/6 seasons - during the mid-80's with Fry. That's it. And you're trying to sell the idea we're doing poorly and Ferentz has hung on too long?
Drop the junk stats on overall win %. I love Iowa FB and KF is a great man who has done solid solid work there. But Iowa has enjoyed hilariously soft schedules for that time, playing in what was arguably the weakest division in CFB history.

Kirk has been here 25 years. In that time, if you laid out his 5 toughest non con games, it would be the Arizona Schools, Pitt, Syracuse, though mizzou backed out. He typically has a few marquee games with Wisconsin, tOSU, PSU, Michigan, maybe 1-3 of those and then a bunch of nobodies like Iowa state, Illinois, Minnesota, Nebraska, northwestern.
 
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And yet what do we have to show for it that you can truly hang your hat on? A few decent to good bowl wins. Three failures in the conference championship.
For all Kirk has done, it's been against the weak competition you mention sprinkled with a few great wins but those are even rare lately. Maybe Lester will save him for another 5 yrs but I'd rather move on and try something different.

If that's your standard, what does Iowa football have that you can truly hang your hat on? In the past 60 years - how many truly elite seasons have we had and how many elite bowl wins?

And Ferentz doesn't need 'saved' - he's competing at a very high level. As for another 5 years, I think it's fair to say his retirement is coming in the next few years. But it will be when he's ready.

And I, for one, will be happy to see Seth Wallace, Woods, or Parker named the next head coach.
 
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Drop the junk stats on overall win %. I love Iowa FB and KF is a great man who has done solid solid work there. But Iowa has enjoyed hilariously soft schedules for that time, playing in what was arguably the weakest division in CFB history.

Kirk has been here 25 years. In that time, if you laid out his 5 toughest non con games, it would be the Arizona Schools, Pitt, Syracuse, though mizzou backed out. He typically has a few marquee games with Wisconsin, tOSU, PSU, Michigan, maybe 1-3 of those and then a bunch of nobodies like Illinois, Minnesota, Nebraska, northwestern.

Weakest division in college football history? Good grief, man.
 
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#13th in winning percentage among the power five schools. Elite? No. But a strong program that absolutely should NOT be blown up. I can't for the life of me understand the vocal minority that want Ferentz gone. Especially when you consider how difficult it's been to find a great coach in basketball (easier to build a winning program in basketball than football) and how long it took our own school to find a winning coach after Evy quit. I mean, look at Nebraska, most of the people associated with that program would sell their sister to have a winning football program and they're 94th! in winnning percentage the past decade. Minnesota 40th, Illinois 111th, ISU 84th. Among our closest rivals only Wisconsin has outperformed us - they're 8th.
All I want from Ferentz is to look at replacing qb if playing poorly. He does that with every other position.
 
So you're scared of change? Kirk isn't going to coach forever and very few want him too. I'm ready for a Dan Campbell type.

Iowa has deep enough pockets to stay at the level they've always recruited at.
Not so sure. I do know Kirk gets loyalty from his players even when maybe they could have made more money elsewhere. Kirk has also had a lot of exposure to the NFL model for the pay to play and managing roster spots and obviously NFL coaching experience. We are gonna LOSE A LOT when he is gone.
 
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Weakest division in college football history? Good grief, man.
Never won a conference title. Probably had fewest major bowls of any division over the BT E/W era. There was certainly no easier power conference road over that time. Just never had any powerhouses who reload every year; hell, the big ten west rarely had teams in contention for major bowls. The big twelve north is the only comparison, but they had Nebraska in their prime competing for national titles during that run of the big 12 north era.

But I would add that one thing the Big Ten west didn’t get a lot of credit for was having a strong collection of decent teams. The bottom of the division was often bowl eligible if memory serves me. Very seldom did they have really bad teams.
 
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Even if it takes a couple of attempts.
Why do you think it would take just "a couple", which means 2, coaches? Evy retired in 1960. Left the preseason #1 to Jerry Burns. Jerry took this team to a 5-4 record in 61, bottom of the B!G. I was 2 years old. Five coaches and 20 years later Iowa had another winning record. I was completing graduate school.

While more atrocious than the average, look at programs like the Goophers, Illini, Purdue, Indiana, Bug Eaters, Rutgers and Michigan St (some great seasons but a lot of awful seasons as well). Or look around the country. Iowa State was usually terrible for 20 years, they'd sneak in a 6- or 7-win season but then quickly back in the shitter.

Ultimately you are saying that you are willing to risk everything we have (saw the 1-134 power ratings this week and Iowa is 26) on an unknown and unknowable future time when Iowa exceeds our current level of success? That's like a guy that splits nines in blackjack. Remember those guys leave the casino broke and never understand why.
 
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Why do you think it would take just "a couple", which means 2, coaches? Evy retired in 1960. Left the preseason #1 to Jerry Burns. Jerry took this team to a 5-4 record in 61, bottom of the B!G. I was 2 years old. Five coaches and 20 years later Iowa had another winning record. I was completing graduate school.

While more atrocious than the average, look at programs like the Goophers, Illini, Purdue, Indiana, Bug Eaters, Rutgers and Michigan St (some great seasons but a lot of awful seasons as well). Or look around the country. Iowa State was usually terrible for 20 years, they'd sneak in a 6- or 7-win season but then quickly back in the shitter.

Ultimately you are saying that you are willing to risk everything we have (saw the 1-134 power ratings this week and Iowa is 26) on an unknown and unknowable future time when Iowa exceeds our current level of success? That's like a guy that splits nines in blackjack. Remember those guys leave the casino broke and never understand why.
The last two coaches at Iowa were both very successful, even though they came in under far worse circumstances than where Iowa sits today.

What makes you think the next one won’t be too?
 
I don’t think anyone is implying that they’re going to fire him. But I laugh at everyone who thinks this guy deserves to call the shots here when it is clear he has no life outside of Iowa football and might see himself dying in the office.

When you deify your living coach and he refuses to ever leave to begin a new era, it never ends well. Penn State and Florida State will attest to that.

Kirk would be wise to have an exit strategy with a firm end date. He has to hate NIL and seeing guys like Saban giving it up has to tell him it is time to go while the program is in great shape.
KF is at an age where he and his wife have already had the conversation about hanging up the clipboard. Although, you might be right and KF cannot see life after football. Cold gets colder every year after 60. I totally agree that KF hates the new world order and some freezing cold game at the end of the season could very well be the straw.
 
If that's your standard, what does Iowa football have that you can truly hang your hat on? In the past 60 years - how many truly elite seasons have we had and how many elite bowl wins?

And Ferentz doesn't need 'saved' - he's competing at a very high level. As for another 5 years, I think it's fair to say his retirement is coming in the next few years. But it will be when he's ready.

And I, for one, will be happy to see Seth Wallace, Woods, or Parker named the next head coach.
I want a B1G championship every 4 to 6 years and in the playoffs most often than not. That should be our goal.

If the offense continues to falter in key moments he will need saved by a great season.

None of those guys have any head coaching experience. For a guy that doesn't seem to like change you are taking a huge leap of faith that any of them would work out.
 
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I want a B1G championship every 4 to 6 years and in the playoffs most often than not. That should be our goal.
This is unrealistic. Unless Iowa makes a genius hire things will collapse after Kirk Ferentz retires. Every change in the culture of collegiate athletics works against schools like Iowa.
 
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This is unrealistic. Unless Iowa makes a genius hire things will collapse after Kirk Ferentz retires. Every change in the culture of collegiate athletics works against schools like Iowa.
Agree with your first sentence. Can't agree with your 2nd. I can't go back to the 60's-70's Iowa FB again.
 
The last two coaches at Iowa were both very successful, even though they came in under far worse circumstances than where Iowa sits today.

What makes you think the next one won’t be too?
The law of probability more than anything else. Most coaching hires fail. Iowa isn't unique. We are among the group of small teams from small states that aren't blue bloods but aren't bad either. Iowa faces serious hurtles to success so it's improbable that anyone can replicate Hayden Fry or Kirk Ferentz. Now

A different AD, whose only history in hires was implementing a long-prepared succession plan from Lisa Bluder to Jan Jensen. It would be lunacy to think the young AD, who has nowhere near Bump's knowledge of what it takes to win in football, is as likely to find a Hayden Fry. Beth Goetz might find that diamond but it really is unlikely.

The natural process of aging is bringing the Ferentz years to a close soon enough. I opine KF is better than anyone that could replace him, hence wish to push the KF era as long as Iowa is playing winning football. KF has won 8 or more games every season but the 8-game season in 2020, in the last ten years. Iowa was 6-2 in the 8-game season. Iowa has a 12 win and three 10-win seasons in the 9 full schedules in that decade. More than 40% of seasons have ended in double digit wins. The program is not cratering. I can abide those results.
 
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I want a B1G championship every 4 to 6 years and in the playoffs most often than not. That should be our goal.

If the offense continues to falter in key moments he will need saved by a great season.

None of those guys have any head coaching experience. For a guy that doesn't seem to like change you are taking a huge leap of faith that any of them would work out.
So set up your payroll deduction now to go to Swarm as it is going to take money in this transition time until we get to employees, contracts, unions, waivers, etc.
 
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So set up your payroll deduction now to go to Swarm as it is going to take money in this transition time until we get to employees, contracts, unions, waivers, etc.
I've yet to support Swarm except thru products. I'm kinda against the fans paying for it all. Eventually it would all rolls downhill but I pay enough in donations and tickets imo.
 
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I want a B1G championship every 4 to 6 years and in the playoffs most often than not. That should be our goal.

If the offense continues to falter in key moments he will need saved by a great season.

None of those guys have any head coaching experience. For a guy that doesn't seem to like change you are taking a huge leap of faith that any of them would work out.
Lol that is completely unrealistic
 
I can't for the life of me understand the vocal minority that want Ferentz gone.
Narrative building. Go ahead and start a poll. You won't though. And everyone knows why.
As for "fan support". That's not a Kirk thing. Fry happily said yes to Bump because the fans supported the program thru 17+ consecutive non-winning seasons.
 
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I have heard from several people that KSU is basically CKs last job. He doesn't have much interest in future jobs after the one he is doing. Of course, things change and money talks.
 
I have heard from several people that KSU is basically CKs last job. He doesn't have much interest in future jobs after the one he is doing. Of course, things change and money talks.

CK hates the profession. The $$ is too good to quit
 
I wouldn't say completely but its very difficult. If you don't have high goals you'll never go to high places. If your goal is the Outback Bowl that's all you'll ever achieve. Quit making excuses for little ol Iowa.

Your scenario requires top 10 finishes every year and top 5 like every two.

Not gonna happen, it's not an excuse it's just reality. This ain't a video game.
 
Your scenario requires top 10 finishes every year and top 5 like every two.

Not gonna happen, it's not an excuse it's just reality. This ain't a video game.
It does? More like a top 5 every 4 to 6 years and Top 12 every 2 to 3. Most years we should be sniffing the top 12. If this isn't every non bluebloods goal then they should hang it up.
 
I wouldn't say completely but its very difficult. If you don't have high goals you'll never go to high places. If your goal is the Outback Bowl that's all you'll ever achieve. Quit making excuses for little ol Iowa.
They are not excuses, they are reasons for Iowa's ceiling. They are the structural. Small state population, access to mega donors, small school, media attention, media value, access to .

A good analog: Nobody thought the Belgians and Dutch would stop the Wehrmacht because of Germany's many structural advantages, like larger population, more money, better weapons and doctrines, etc... It didn't matter if the officers said we are marching to victory, and really believed it, because our goal is to drive out the invaders.

Different historical impact but identical circumstances. Making goals that are unachievable does nothing but generate frustration and anger long term.
 
It does? More like a top 5 every 4 to 6 years and Top 12 every 2 to 3. Most years we should be sniffing the top 12. If this isn't every non bluebloods goal then they should hang it up.
A top 5 would require a massive improvement in recruiting, most like driven by a very large payroll increase.
 
Because a lot of people on this site are ****ing morons that throw a hissy fit after every play that doesn't go for a touchdown.

I thank God every day for football players everywhere that these people are not their coaches.
You, of all people, calling anyone else a moron is audacious and hypocritical. Why, well, because you are one. You're a reactionary moron. It's true. You're just too narcissistic to see that fact. It is a fact unfortunately.

Nobody expects every play to go for a touchdown like you're suggesting. You're just in defensive reactionary mode, like always, to read between the lines, because, you're a reactionary moron.

I'll leave the God angle out of it because you wouldn't understand how odd it is that you would be calling others morons in relation to this. Again, you being hypocritical.

How do I know you're a reactionary moron? Well, other than your aggressive and accusatory posts, which is the only type you ever really have, your response to this post will prove it because you probably just can't resist can you?
 
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lol. When the head coach leaves, so do his assistants. If the new HC wants to retain them, that is their choice.
Thank goodness JHF kept a few assistants when he was hired. Unfortunately reading some of the standards people have for coaches in this thread he probably wasn’t very good either.
 
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You, of all people, calling anyone else a moron is audacious and hypocritical. Why, well, because you are one. You're a reactionary moron. It's true. You're just too narcissistic to see that fact. It is a fact unfortunately.

Nobody expects every play to go for a touchdown like you're suggesting. You're just in defensive reactionary mode, like always, to read between the lines, because, you're a reactionary moron.

I'll leave the God angle out of it because you wouldn't understand how odd it is that you would be calling others morons in relation to this. Again, you being hypocritical.

How do I know you're a reactionary moron? Well, other than your aggressive and accusatory posts, which is the only type you ever really have, your response to this post will prove it because you probably just can't resist can you?
That's a lot of words to say you don't understand my post and you have no clue what you're talking about.

There's a very good reason this is widely considered the worst Iowa message board lol
 
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