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Biden Announces 100% TARIFF on Chinese-made Electric Vehicles

Do you favor or oppose raising the tariff from 25% to 100% on Chinese EVs?


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So, if Biden really, really wanted people to drive EV's to save the environment, shouldn't he welcome more affordable EV's from China?

I'm going to guess that if Biden wins, any new tariffs will be negotiated away after the election.
My inference is that you think Biden is doing this for political advantage. But why would he think this would help him?

You mentioned the UAW. Is that going to move the needle among the rank and file that have turned to Trump? I don't see it. Even f they think this will be good for their jobs, once you become a Trump guy, hardly anything matters. And besides, they doubtless figure Trump will continue it if it's a good idea.
 
What's more important to Dems? Getting the world off of fossil fuels ASAP? Or, just blindly supporting Biden? Tough one.
Not tough for me. And judging from the voting on the poll, so far, not tough for a lot of D-leaning folks here. Green values make this move look bad. But Biden is still more green than Trump. Just less green than he was yesterday.
 
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Not tough for me. And judging from the voting on the poll, so far, not tough for a lot of D-leaning folks here. Green values make this move look bad. But Biden is still more green than Trump. Just less green than he was yesterday.
This is what MAGAs are facing with Trump and his abortion stuff.
 
My inference is that you think Biden is doing this for political advantage. But why would he think this would help him?

You mentioned the UAW. Is that going to move the needle among the rank and file that have turned to Trump? I don't see it. Even f they think this will be good for their jobs, once you become a Trump guy, hardly anything matters. And besides, they doubtless figure Trump will continue it if it's a good idea.
Yes, I think this is being done for political advantage. The green new deal people will vote for Biden no matter what. They see how he's flopped to their side on the green new deal and student loans, so they care more about him getting elected than more EV options. Michigan is a critical swing state for Biden, especially with their Muslim community. Biden will do anything to win, and this is blatant pandering to the UAW. He's advertising this as saving American jobs. That's not my take, that's his message.
 
Ideally, our subsidies would prompt EU subsidies.

Personally, I'd like to see an EV for Clunkers program. A $7500 tax credit doesn't help Americans who can't afford the remaining $30-70K.

That's unlikely to happen. But how about a zero-interest loan program (in addition to the tax credit) to help people get into EVs?
well, you can certainly negotiate that as a permissible thing under your trade agreements, but until you do...
 
Consumer inflation was 1.4% when Trump left office.

That's just setting the record straight on that. Punitive tariffs undoubtedly cause prices for effected goods to be higher when there's no alternative for that good (or service). Trump's tariffs went too far. Biden could have reversed them, but never did, and now is simply pandering to the UAW because even more jobs will be lost.
It takes time for the effects of things like tariffs and massive tax cuts to affect the economy. It's not surprising they hadn't hit yet and then COVID was an event that changed the rules. Inflation was so low because economies shut down during the pandemic. But the forces were still there so when economies started back up it just made what was inevitable even worse.

And, I'm ok with Biden doing something to protect jobs when no other options were available.
 
I guess it will be on the House then

Here is an article that discusses Inflation. I don't see anything about tariffs, so, we should be okay with what Biden did

Are you still claiming Trump's tariffs caused inflation?


Tariffs are inflationary. How much inflation they caused probably pales in comparison to us just sending everybody cash for a long time which was completely bipartisan.

I oppose this, I do not want to get in a trade war with China. But if we are being honest with ourselves if all of a sudden BYD was selling brand new cars for 15k we would be absolutely screwed.
 
To be fair, Trump got blasted here years ago for imposing tariffs. What’s the difference now?
I don't know how many different ways to say the same thing. He is reacting to what other countries are doing. Trump's first goto was tariffs. He tried nothing else. I actually had nothing against him trying to do something, but his method for it sucked and we've been paying for it ever since (literally). Trump had something that Biden doesn't. He had a Congress that he could have worked with to get a deal done that could have accomplished what he was trying to do without as many of the bad consequences. Biden doesn't have that luxury.
 
I don't know how many different ways to say the same thing. He is reacting to what other countries are doing. Trump's first goto was tariffs. He tried nothing else. I actually had nothing against him trying to do something, but his method for it sucked and we've been paying for it ever since (literally). Trump had something that Biden doesn't. He had a Congress that he could have worked with to get a deal done that could have accomplished what he was trying to do without as many of the bad consequences. Biden doesn't have that luxury.
Trump did do something else. The beneficial part of his tax cuts was repatriating corporate cash being held offshore. No matter how that cash was used, it stimulated the economy. The income tax cuts were a waste of time though.

You are right about Trump wasting his opportunity his first 2 years. The GOP should have been ready to fix spending, and they blew it. They wasted that 2 years jacking around with Obamacare.

The flip side is that Biden said he would be a uniter. He had a reputation for that as a Senator, deserved or not. Biden has been a disappointment in many ways.
 
You will say and justify whatever you need.
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Trump did do something else. The beneficial part of his tax cuts was repatriating corporate cash being held offshore. No matter how that cash was used, it stimulated the economy. The income tax cuts were a waste of time though.

You are right about Trump wasting his opportunity his first 2 years. The GOP should have been ready to fix spending, and they blew it. They wasted that 2 years jacking around with Obamacare.

The flip side is that Biden said he would be a uniter. He had a reputation for that as a Senator, deserved or not. Biden has been a disappointment in many ways.
He has United, as much as possible (ok shitsallday, put in your laughing emoji and move on. You never read past the first sentence anyway). He has been able to get bi-partisan legislation passed. You might think it is divided, and it is, but considering you have pretty much all of the GOP actively looking to undermine his administration, even at the expense of their own constituents, the fact that he got anything done is a miracle.

You can't blame Biden for the MTG's and Trump's of the world that simply won't participate in any form with a unified society. They are the problem, that's not something Biden or anyone else can fix. Except the voters. You could elect people who are willing to actually govern but those people don't do that. Instead, these toddlers the GOP keeps finding to throw up there make the problem worse.
 
Damnit, it’s different this time. Republicans left Biden no choice.
I must have missed the part where they were offering a plan to make American goods more competitive with China. Please, enlighten me on it.
 
I'm claiming they contributed to higher prices which contributes to inflation. They are a tax on the consumers. It may not be included with inflation calculations, but the money you spend is more because of them. But I guess it's only inflation driven cost increases that piss you off then? Kind of weird but ok.
^Truth.

Economic studies in early 2019 concluded that the tariffs enacted in 2018 resulted in additional tax costs to US consumers of ~$3.2 Billion/month and resulted in a net job loss in our domestic manufacturing sector.
 
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I just read that the Chinese EV (BYD) goes for $10,000. Hell, I’d buy one of those in a heartbeat. Guess it won’t be that by the time tariffs are done. But knowing how cheaply you could get them would take all value away from them.
 
For the remainder of Trump’s term in office, inflation mostly varied from about 1.5% to 2.5%. I’m pretty okay with 2% inflation. 9%, not so much.
You should be OK then, we haven't seen an annualized inflation rate of 9% or higher since 1980.

I'll give some credit to the Fed to manage these rates down to the mid 3 percentage range currently which I would guess is likely close to or below our annualized average inflationary rate since the Great Depression. Unfortunately our economy fell in love with essentially the essentially free cost of capital from 2008 to 2021 so there's a lot of growing pains currently as a result.
 
Subsidized EV’s are still not cheaper EV’s.
Yes they are. Not only cheaper for individual buyers, which is a very important aspect of cheapness, but with ramped up production, you get economies of scale.

Plus, as long as we aren't going to pay for it anyway, I'd rather the nation borrow to go green than borrow to give more tax breaks to the rich.
 
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Subsidized EV’s are still not cheaper EV’s.
Did I say subsidized EVs are cheaper EVs?

They are, in certain ways that I mentioned in my previous post. But that isn't what I said in the post you responded to. So, I'm curious, why did you respond the way you did?

And, BTW, even if subsidizing EVs raised the prices a bit, I would still favor subsidizing them, to get them in more garages. We need to move faster on our green goals.
 
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I must have missed the part where they were offering a plan to make American goods more competitive with China. Please, enlighten me on it.

Tariffs, which were terrible. Well, until your savior announced the same tariffs.
 
Tariffs, which were terrible. Well, until your savior announced the same tariffs.
That's right. Like everything else, Republicans have no plan and no answers. Next time try reading what I wrote versus just making crap up about it instead.
 
If we hadn't been so slow to head in green directions, we wouldn't need tariffs to catch up.

Prominent climate change deniers belong in jail. Lock them up!
There’s no way in hell we could make electric vehicles and sell them for $10K no matter how early and how earnestly we had endeavored to do so.
 
There’s no way in hell we could make electric vehicles and sell them for $10K no matter how early and how earnestly we had endeavored to do so.
I'm going to do something that I disapprove of when others do it, which is to put words in your mouth. But you really asked for it. Here goes...

So you're saying that if we can't get the prices down to $10K it's not worth investing in EVs?
 
Here's what Paul Krugman has to say:

The Biden administration is now imposing tariffs as high as 100 percent on Chinese exports of electric vehicles and taxes on other imported goods, including semiconductors and batteries.

The immediate impact of these tariffs will be small, because the United States currently imports very few of the affected goods from China. But Biden’s moves are more than a symbolic gesture. They’re a shot across the bow — a signal that the United States won’t accept a second so-called China shock, a surge of imports that could undermine crucial parts of the administration’s agenda.

 
Yes they are. Not only cheaper for individual buyers, which is a very important aspect of cheapness, but with ramped up production, you get economies of scale.

Plus, as long as we aren't going to pay for it anyway, I'd rather the nation borrow to go green than borrow to give more tax breaks to the rich.
How about not borrowing at all.

Oh, the money actually belongs to the people who earn it. Giving tax breaks to people whom actually pay taxes is letting them keep more of what they've earned.
 
Here's what Paul Krugman has to say:

The Biden administration is now imposing tariffs as high as 100 percent on Chinese exports of electric vehicles and taxes on other imported goods, including semiconductors and batteries.

The immediate impact of these tariffs will be small, because the United States currently imports very few of the affected goods from China. But Biden’s moves are more than a symbolic gesture. They’re a shot across the bow — a signal that the United States won’t accept a second so-called China shock, a surge of imports that could undermine crucial parts of the administration’s agenda.

Krugman is a partisan hack. The tariffs on steel, chips, batteries, rare metals, solar panels, etc. will be felt as soon as the first boat hits the water. This won't help inflation.
 
That's right. Like everything else, Republicans have no plan and no answers. Next time try reading what I wrote versus just making crap up about it instead.

I have read the blatant hypocrisy and non sense you have posted in this thread. That is why I gave you the response I did. Keep the spin cycle rolling.
 
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I'm going to do something that I disapprove of when others do it, which is to put words in your mouth. But you really asked for it. Here goes...

So you're saying that if we can't get the prices down to $10K it's not worth investing in EVs?
It seems like your reading comprehension should be better than this. But for some reason it isn’t.

Let’s take this one step at a time so you don’t get confused.

Is the purpose of Biden’s proposed tariffs to make it “worth investing in EVs”? Or is the purpose of Biden’s proposed tariffs to make the price point of American-made EVs more competitive with Chinese-made EVs?
 
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