Biden announces measures to curb gun violence
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Where's your evidence that the Black Community opposes additional gun control?
It would be interesting if the Black Community used protests and took up arms in the streets and public buildings (like they did in the 60s and 70s) if stricter gun control laws would be passed as they have in the past.
I like this, I have often said we need to tax the 4th and 5th Amendments too. If you don't want your house searched, pay a fee, if you want the right against self incrimination pay a fee. the only people who would be hurt by this is the very poorest, they are likely the ones causing the problems anyway.
I see, so you're adamant about our society upholding the 2nd Amendment but ambivalent about the 4th. Got it.
Figures.
On the off chance you're not trying to deliberately misconstrue what I'm saying, I'll try to clarify.
Blacks currently are disproportionately perpetrating gun violence (and disproportionately the victims).
Ergo, a crackdown on gun violence will have a disproportionate impact.
The 'tough on crime' legislation that Biden was once proud of helping craft and pass is looked upon now as racist, because it has had a disparate impact.
‘Lock the S.O.B.s Up’: Joe Biden and the Era of Mass Incarceration
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/25/us/joe-biden-crime-laws.htmlHe now plays down his role overhauling crime laws with segregationist senators in the ’80s and ’90s. That portrayal today is at odds with his actions and rhetoric back then.
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/07/biden-on-the-1994-crime-bill/
the 1994 crime bill, which Biden, as chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, largely wrote and shepherded through the legislative process. The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 received bipartisan support at the time but has been criticized for some of its provisions, such as mandatory minimum sentencing, and its impact on mass incarceration.
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It’s also true that a majority of the Congressional Black Caucus supported the legislation, though then-President Bill Clinton had to meet with the CBC to garner enough votes to get the bill over the finish line.
OK - same question. Where's your evidence that the Black Community opposes additional gun control?
Same answer, now with bold.
Blacks currently are disproportionately perpetrating gun violence (and disproportionately the victims).
Ergo, a crackdown on gun violence will have a disproportionate impact.
The 'tough on crime' legislation that Biden was once proud of helping craft and pass is looked upon now as racist, because it has had a disparate impact.
LOL - you're outdoing yourself. That doesn't suggest in the least that the Black community is against gun control measures. SMH. You're such a hack. LOL.
Locking more people up on gun possession charges is not the answer, according to a recent report on “Building a Safe Chicago.” The report is from a broad coalition of criminal justice and anti-violence groups, including groups focused on neighborhood safety and handgun violence.
Harsh gun laws are particularly counterproductive for young people, who are less likely to be deterred by threats of punishment and in most cases will grow out of risky and impulsive behavior, including gang involvement and gun carrying, according to the report. Illinois’ harsh sentencing laws “give permanent felony records and lengthy sentences in adult prisons to a large number of young people who were just about to permanently cease offending,” erecting barriers to education and employment at the very point when such opportunities are potentially life-changing. That’s especially true for black and Latino youth, who are disproportionately affected.
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Today, gun control legislation aggravates the criminal justice crisis in the United States, having a disproportionate impact on black Americans. The most recent available data from the United States Sentencing Commission shows that in fiscal year 2018, more than 56 percent of federal firearm offenders were black.
Black American are more likely than any other group, to be convicted of and subject to a firearms offense carrying a mandatory minimum. For the country’s black communities, on-the-ground enforcement of tougher gun laws will mean more harassment at the hands of the police, more arrests and more harsh prison sentences.
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Today, gun control legislation aggravates the criminal justice crisis in the United States, having a disproportionate impact on black Americans. The most recent available data from the United States Sentencing Commission shows that in fiscal year 2018, more than 56 percent of federal firearm offenders were black.
Black American are more likely than any other group, to be convicted of and subject to a firearms offense carrying a mandatory minimum. For the country’s black communities, on-the-ground enforcement of tougher gun laws will mean more harassment at the hands of the police, more arrests and more harsh prison sentences.
I admit, I fail trying to explain things you often.
You asked for evidence the black community opposes Biden's gun control measures.
I've pointed out to you the turn against the method he's championed over his career.
You don't understand why it's apropos. I can't help you there. That's your failing.
Yet here is his proposal, quoted from his site, same old same old:
President Biden also recognizes the important role that federal law enforcement plays in supporting their local partners – especially in stopping the interstate flow of guns used in crimes, like the gun that was used in the tragic recent fatal shooting of two NYPD officers. The Department of Justice has launched five gun trafficking strike forces
Who do you think will bear the weight of these new enforcement measures?
I provided some facts above on how that goes, and why it can be expected to go that way.
Your response is to assert you don't understand why I'm bringing it up.
Classic Rileyhawk retort. As if your cluelessness is some kind of rebuttal.
You've not once identified objections by leaders in the Black community to additional gun control laws. You've tried to speak for the Black community to suggest they should be concerned but nothing, as usual, on topic. Likewise, as usual, you're wrong.
It's a striking trend, particularly since the black leadership has traditionally led the charge for gun control. The National Urban League is a member of The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, and few organizations have put as much legal muscle behind the gun control fight as the NAACP. African-Americans are also less than half as likely as whites to own a gun, and they're far more likely to prioritize gun control over gun rights.
I think the weight of additional gun control will be born to all of us as legal gun ownership becomes safer. Depending on the measures, it could make it harder for guns to be obtained illegally as well. Not a cure but a step in the right direction.
You're a hack.
Let's have a fee for voting, which isn't even a right under the US Constitution. Let's have a fee for going to church. Let's have a fee for the press, to make sure they are telling the truth.
Agreed, its why Trump should be in Jail and Gaetz and many more politicians. However it gets delayed or never occurs because their politicians - what exactly is your point?
Like what? What common sense gun control law would you propose that would actually stop guns from being used to commit crimes?
Background checks for every purchase using a national database. Laws that require owners to store their guns safely. Red flag laws. A few to start.
And it doesn't have to stop guns from being used in crimes - it simply needs to reduce it. Likewise, we want to reduce accidents and negligent harm.
Sure. I think if there's a question it should be investigated and if someone is found to have fabricated info they are fined and unable to get a gun legally. If a seller bypasses the background check or helps someone lie their license to sell is taken away as well as being fined.
I might buy one of those CNC machines. You could sell lowers for 100 bucks like hotcakes. I paid 125 foe one that has a serial number on it, guys would eat those up. 30 lowers and you have a free machine. Hell yea.
Assuming you have a model to go off of I'm thinking set up would be pretty easy.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but what would trigger digging deeper given normally when you fill out the form it's normally accompanied by a background check?
It could be anything that seems out of the norm. I'm thinking it would require beefing up the whole process and making it consistent nation wide. Also, random audits could catch some who are abusing the system and act as a deterrent for others to not try.
I’m assuming you don’t have the knowledge or background to make such an assessment.
Its subtractive manufacturing. Order of operations, tooling selection, feed/speed, fixturing, etc. all matter.
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What is life without growth. Seems like it would be pretty profitable.
If you could talk yourself into making polymer lowers this thing would pay for itself quickly also.
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Already discussed it in an earlier post in this thread.What is life without growth. Seems like it would be pretty profitable.
If you could talk yourself into making polymer lowers this thing would pay for itself quickly also.
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Not sure I understand where you're trying to go with this. It's not an interview, it's a clerk handing you a form to essentially check a bunch of boxes. It's also accompanied by a background check, so any inaccuracies around conviction for something are going to show up there. Not sure what's left to audit, even the example in this thread was where someone wasn't truthful about alcohol addiction but I'm going to guess never had an alcohol related arrest.
I suppose possibly you could have records from the medical background entered into the system to catch those who may have been to therapy, but that's something that an awful lot of folks don't support on a broad level.
I'm simply saying it's easy to say make it better but sometimes a bit tougher to define the how.
