If the boys are gonna fight, you better let ‘em.Hey!!!
What did I say? Take it to another thread. This should be about the attack only.
Dont grind my gears
Bourbon St. Attack
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Jimmy, I sincerely appreciate the effort, even if it is a message board.
If there's one thing the last 24 hours should teach us, it is that it can be a fraught exercise to draw quick inferences from early data points. In fact, once the dust settles a little more, if i have some time on my hands, I think it might be an interesting exercise to go back through every post on this thread to evaluate both the ultimate veracity and the inferences people drew. Well, except the posts where it's just guys bitching about one religion or another...
Just take the truck, for example -- we had people here ready to blame this on a right wing nut job from texas plates, and we had people ready to blame it on an illegal entrant based on a previous border crossing of a vehicle that's on a rental market and didn't seem to involve the perp. We've had conspiracy floated (and to be clear, it may still play out that way) based on surveillance videos of three people that the police have determined weren't actually involved in the placement of IEDs. And even setting aside those things, I'll confess to some initial directional instincts about the nature of this event based solely on the perp's name. So shame on me. And then of course there's the cybertruck incident.
So where are we? Well, as I see it, it sounds like an individual crazy guy who snapped for various reasons, and perhaps was radicalized to Islamic groups in a way played a tipping point role. Personally, I don't think you can discount that tipping point role in cases like this. But this is hardly some group jihad, and more importantly, it's not really a basis to besmirch a faith(s).
At the time I made those posts, none of the LE agencies "knew" much at all.
They still do not, UNTIL they determine the cause of the fire, using forensic evaluation methods.
It is definitely not mentioned, anywhere, by Jesus.
Again: nowhere by Jesus.
He talked a ton about "giving to the poor" and "loving one another".
Made zero mentions of "gays".
That's all I really need to know to make my decisions on whether gay people are evil or not. Jesus would have accepted them, just like the lepers and Samaritans, etc.
Do your homework and research the Sikh and you will find out what the knife means.
Solid post until the end. There's no perhaps regarding the Islamic radicalization. He posted it on social media before the attack and even Biden mentioned it in his speech last night. He had a flipping isis flag on the vehicle.
Why some are so afraid to just speak the truth about what this attack was and what motivated the murderer is mind boggling.
Strange reply, agreeing with the poster that "drawing early inferences is a fraught exercise", then icing your cake here with making those early (and ill-advised) judgements...
I don't think I'm denying anything, and am in fact acknowledging it. My instinct based on the totality of what I've seen, however, is that the radicalization is/was more in the nature of "catalyst" rather than "root cause". More than a few things going on with this fellow. We'll see.
What is the difference when it comes to committing the act? I see none.
At a certain level of generalization, you're of course right, but there are differences between root causes and catalysts, proximate causes and direct causes, etc. We deal with them all of the time when we assess why things occurred. Among other things, the catalyst may be bigger driver of "when" rather than "whether" an event takes place.
PS - I have to say, it's always a little disconcerting responding to fair questions from a cousin eddie avatar.
Just keep'em away from the syrup
Generally speaking, yes. There are a lot of folks out there that do not prescribe to that statement.
Repeatedly saying "perhaps" when facts are now known is denial.
He killed and maimed 50+ people in the name of radical Islam. His own words.
Millions of people get divorced every year. 99.9999% don't turn to radical Islam and become motivated to murder as many people as possible. Sure the why's and how's are important... but the ultimate act and his primary motivation are obvious.
As I said, we'll see. I'll be much more interested in these theories if/when 'associates' are identified. And, re: 'perhaps,' see post 810.
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Would love to ban those dumb jacked up trucks that help their owners compensate for lack of dick size.
So ban them because you don’t like them? Should we ban certain humans as well? Maybe that’s what this guy was doing in this case by running over and killing humans he didn’t like.
I still maintain that if he’s radicalized, the root cause or catalyst is not that relevant as to his conduct.
Unless you’re asking whether the guy was radicalized but was a peaceful radical, content to stew in his own anger but never actually take action. And did something completely unrelated to his radicalization set him off, like relationship issues, or a job loss, or getting ripped off at the drive-thru.
I would be more inclined to consider that if it were a spur of the moment act, in his hometown. But this guy rented a white pickup (the choice of 9/10 dentists and Islamic terrorist fighters), plopped an ISIS flag on the back and loaded it up with weapons, drove it across state lines to a crowded city block, and proceeded to plow through dozens of innocent bystanders.
It doesn’t seem too complicated to understand why he did this. I think the better question is why he became radicalized in the first place.
Does anyone else find it interesting that this country always wants to physically put things in place (road blocks, police/security, etc) to try and prevent things like this from happening. Yet this country majorly lacks in providing resources mentally. Wouldn’t it be amazing if a person born and living in America knew better than to go around a barricade and run over and shoot as many people as possible?
How does someone get to this point? Some mention religion, if someone’s religion is telling them to kill. Maybe this country should do something to get rid of that religion and people practicing that religion.
If someone is being influenced to kill by any person, cooperation, advertisement, music, game, social media, anything. Maybe it’s time to get rid of that as well. Why should this country need to supply any sort of protection. People should know right versus wrong. If they don’t, punished the person (parent) that should be teaching them right vs wrong. It’s pretty f’d up that anyone ever wants to harm anyone else.
How does someone get to this point? Some mention religion, if someone’s religion is telling them to kill. Maybe this country should do something to get rid of that religion and people practicing that religion.
If someone is being influenced to kill by any person, cooperation, advertisement, music, game, social media, anything. Maybe it’s time to get rid of that as well. Why should this country need to supply any sort of protection. People should know right versus wrong. If they don’t, punished the person (parent) that should be teaching them right vs wrong. It’s pretty f’d up that anyone ever wants to harm anyone else.
Wait, so you're suggesting that we should get rid of health insurance because some whacko assassinated the CEO of United HealthCare?
Maybe they can help build high-speed rail?Last year, U.S. Customs and Border Protection reported 37,000 Chinese citizens were apprehended crossing illegally from Mexico into the U.S.…that's 50 times more than two years earlier.
Chinese migrants are the fastest growing group crossing from Mexico into U.S. at southern border
A growing number of Chinese nationals, trying to escape repressive politics and a bleak economy, are headed to the U.S. They're turning to a gap at the southern border with Mexico as a way to get in.www.cbsnews.com
I’m saying we should get rid of the whacko who assassinated the CEO. Did you not read where I said people should know right from wrong. Killing is wrong. Some might say the CEO got what he deserved. I’d say getting rid of both the CEO for screwing over people and the murderer are the way to go. This country has been built on f-ing over someone else to make yourself better or only thinking about yourself. Thus we have to put things in place to “try” and keep people safe.
Stop promoting being the best and needing the best.
Well sounds like he was a strong supporter of ISIS and joined them in the summer. Interesting that he wanted to kill his family and friends but shifted to doing what he did so it would gain more exposure.
Often makes you wonder how much media coverage drives some of these types of killings/shootings.
Often makes you wonder how much media coverage drives some of these types of killings/shootings.
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Look ⬆️ another I think I am the best/only care about myself person that causes these types of situations. Bravo! 👏
There is no “definitive” connection between the attack in New Orleans and the explosion in Las Vegas, the FBI said Thursday.
“At this point, there is no definitive link between the attack here in New Orleans and the one in Las Vegas,” FBI Deputy Assistant Director Christopher Raia with the counterintelligence division said during a Thursday morning news conference.
A Tesla Cybertruck filled with large firework mortars and gas canisters exploded Wednesday near the entrance of the Trump International Hotel in Las Vegas. The explosion killed the driver and injured seven other people.
The FBI said Thursday that it believes no one else was involved in the New Orleans attack, after previously saying investigators were looking into the possibility that others were involved.
“We do not assess at this point that anyone else is involved in this attack,” FBI Deputy Assistant Director Christopher Raia with the counterintelligence division said during a news conference.
“At this point, there is no definitive link between the attack here in New Orleans and the one in Las Vegas,” FBI Deputy Assistant Director Christopher Raia with the counterintelligence division said during a Thursday morning news conference.
A Tesla Cybertruck filled with large firework mortars and gas canisters exploded Wednesday near the entrance of the Trump International Hotel in Las Vegas. The explosion killed the driver and injured seven other people.
The FBI said Thursday that it believes no one else was involved in the New Orleans attack, after previously saying investigators were looking into the possibility that others were involved.
“We do not assess at this point that anyone else is involved in this attack,” FBI Deputy Assistant Director Christopher Raia with the counterintelligence division said during a news conference.
Far fewer reports of Presbyterians and Methodists going on killing sprees.
Yeah, someone referenced the recent methodist schism. As a former methodist, I actually streamed their debates at their general conference leading up to it. Let me just say, if there were a christian sect that wouldn't have the stones to go on a killing spree over some doctrinal matters, it would be the methodists. The presbyterians might, what with the Calvinist predestination and all. But not the methodists.
