Boxing out

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

Is it just me or does this Iowa team do a poor job of boxing out on the defensive end?

Specifically the guards & the 3 spot.

It seems like only Garza & Kreiner box out consistently on this team.

 

[And1Hawk]

I think it’s a lost art unfortunately

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Well we play four guards so

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

Well we play four guards so

Guards need/should be boxing out even more so.

 

[kzoohawk80]

It's hard to box out as a guard in Fran's zone. They get way extended out defending the three point line. Plus not being in man can equal that they aren't really near offensive players that are trying to rebound. Fran's inability to coach and trust man defense is a huge problem to Iowa being an average rebounding team in his tenure at Iowa. This will always be an issue with Fran's team as long as he continues to play zone more then 50% of the game.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

It's hard to box out as a guard in Fran's zone. They get way extended out defending the three point line. Plus not being in man can equal that they aren't really near offensive players that are trying to rebound. Fran's inability to coach and trust man defense is a huge problem to Iowa being an average rebounding team in his tenure at Iowa. This will always be an issue with Fran's team as long as he continues to play zone more then 50% of the game.

I disagree.

If you want to box out you can always find a man to put a butt on.

Rebounding is an attitude. You have to want to do it. And it starts with boxing out.

 

[Mohawkeye]

Pemsl did a good job of rebounding when he was in there.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

Pemsl did a good job of rebounding when he was in there.

He did.

 

[kzoohawk80]

I disagree.

If you want to box out you can always find a man to put a butt on.

Rebounding is an attitude. You have to want to do it. And it starts with boxing out.

I don't disagree but positioning is #1 in rebounding. You can do everything you said but if the opposing player has position on you he will get the rebound 90% of the time. Fran's teams are always out of position with the zone he plays. That's why they'll never be a great rebounding team in the zone with Fran.

 

[RocknRollface]

It's hard to box out as a guard in Fran's zone. They get way extended out defending the three point line. Plus not being in man can equal that they aren't really near offensive players that are trying to rebound. Fran's inability to coach and trust man defense is a huge problem to Iowa being an average rebounding team in his tenure at Iowa. This will always be an issue with Fran's team as long as he continues to play zone more then 50% of the game.

Agreed, much more difficult to rebound well in zone.

Fran has played man when hes had the bigs to do it. The Woodbury/Olesani years were mostly man and pretty good.

Garza is the main reason Iowa has to play zone so much.

 

[RocknRollface]

I disagree.

If you want to box out you can always find a man to put a butt on.

Rebounding is an attitude. You have to want to do it. And it starts with boxing out.

No true at all.

You're occupying an area on the floor, if the offensive player is no where near you, And they often times aren't, you are not going to have anyone to box out.

The zone shifts to the ball side leaving the players on the weak side with a running start to the rim when the shot goes up.

You cant just turn your back and box out an area.

It's the biggest weakness of zone.

 

[longliveCS40]

It's due to the zone. With such a short bench, I expect us to play more zone this year. It's a trade off.

 

[Hawkfan_08]

The zone has been much better for our defense. We have proven time and again man defense isn't our forte. That is good for Fran to recognize what we are good at with the guys we have.

I agree, and disagree, on the boxout thing. I think we need to find bodies and get something on them. We tend to stand a bit on rebounds or immediately crash to get a rebound off of a three or a deep shot leading to a higher likelihood of a long rebound. You can't box a space, as noted earlier by another poster, but I like it when guys take a step back and "get big" to not allow anyone to blow by for a putback. You can always attack a rebound that comes soft off the rim as long as everyone does their job- including the guys who need to box out due to defending a body.

 

[HawkeyeShawn]

Agree that it’s a lost art. I’ve been coaching youth basketball now for 4 years. We focus on boxing out at every practice with at least 1 drill. I preach it at every practice, scrimmage and game. Some kids just don’t do it. It probably the most frustrating thing for me to see.

My other son is a HS junior and his team is horrible at boxing out. It’s so bad that the fans in the crowd are yelling “box out” on every missed shot. Yet I never hear the coach yelling for it. My son says they don’t ever work on it.

 

[TampaHawkfan]

Dr. Tom's teams played a lot of zone and usually were good rebounding teams. So I don't buy the "can't rebound out of the zone" excuse.

 

[Legend12]

Agree that it’s a lost art. I’ve been coaching youth basketball now for 4 years. We focus on boxing out at every practice with at least 1 drill. I preach it at every practice, scrimmage and game. Some kids just don’t do it. It probably the most frustrating thing for me to see.

My other son is a HS junior and his team is horrible at boxing out. It’s so bad that the fans in the crowd are yelling “box out” on every missed shot. Yet I never hear the coach yelling for it. My son says they don’t ever work on it.

Those fans also probably yell "follow your shot"

 

[Franisdaman]

Is it just me or does this Iowa team do a poor job of boxing out on the defensive end?

Specifically the guards & the 3 spot.

It seems like only Garza & Kreiner box out consistently on this team.

I have said this several times and I will say it again. I miss the Tom Davis days when rebounding was emphasized and when we led the nation in rebounding margin.

When you rebound the ball on defense, you prevent opponent 2nd chance points; that could decide the game. When you rebound the ball on defense, you go the other way, on offense, where you hopefully score.

They teach boxing out when you are a youngster, in basketball camps; it should come naturally AND it should be expected at the D1 level.

 

[chiphawk59]

Dr. Tom's teams played a lot of zone and usually were good rebounding teams. So I don't buy the "can't rebound out of the zone" excuse.

The Hawks don't rebound well out of the zone because we don't have our guards crash the glass because we're trying to get out in transition to create easy scoring chances.

 

[kzoohawk80]

Dr. Tom's teams played a lot of zone and usually were good rebounding teams. So I don't buy the "can't rebound out of the zone" excuse.

Difference between a 2-3 zone and 3-2 zone. Dr Tom played a 2-3 zone which is good for rebounding but gives up wide open 3's. Fran plays more of a matchup/3-2 zone. Which means often his bigs have to run out to the corners to defend which often puts them in bad rebounding position.

 

[HawkRugged17]

Difference between a 2-3 zone and 3-2 zone. Dr Tom played a 2-3 zone which is good for rebounding but gives up wide open 3's. Fran plays more of a matchup/3-2 zone. Which means often his bigs have to run out to the corners to defend which often puts them in bad rebounding position.

Dr. Tom's zone at Iowa was mostly 3-2 to start, and then when the ball went to the wing or baseline, the middle man would drop down for a 2-3 look. That's why it was a sliding zone (see below).

Mostly, look at how defenses were packed in 20 some years ago compared to today.