Bracket release discussion
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Who was going to make Kerk sweat on the way to the finals anyway? Schultz? As much as I would like the situation to change, let's be honest in acknowledging that Cass sure as heck has not been making Kerk sweat this season..
This. 100% this. Why is everyone so freaking negative in this thread. Yeah Iowa got a few rough draws, but news flash, it’s the flipping finals in wrestling. It’s not supposed to be easy.
A good majority of posters are assuming Iowas going to do poorly. How the hell can you enjoy this if you’ve already accepted defeat. Is it a defense mechanism? Well damnit, I’m ready to be hurt again.
I see a lot of opportunity for PSU to underperform.
133 - likely champion.
141- limited offensively and I think has a weak schedule. He will be tested come thurs night fri morning
149- another that appears to be limited offensively. Could easily go 1-2
157- Freshman that was given a gift at big tens. He’s solid but beatable.
165- he’s about as offensive as a southern Baptist. Not worried
174- wrestles a lot of close matches with top competition. Sooner or later…
184 - great wrestler, rough draw. Has to get past Hidlay and Keck. That’s not easy.
197- Dean is off this year. And his bracket is full of people that have beaten him before.
285 - solid draw here, but Paris beat him three times. Twice in regulation, then once in ot after that atrocious stall call.
Just going by seed, here are the scoring expectations(beat every lower seed and lose to every higher seed during bracket progression) WITHOUT bonus:
Iowa 20+.5+20+5.5+1.5+9+2+2+1.5+12.5=74.5
Cornell 1.5+13.5+6.5+20+0+12.5+12.5+0+2.5+0=69
Nebraksa 13.5+0+12.5+0+13.5+0+16+1.5+5.5+0=62.5
NCState .5+10+10+1+5.5+0+.5+16+9+6.5=59
MIZZ 1.5+0+5.5+9+1+16+6.5+.5+13.5+2.5=56
VTech 0+9+1.5+12.5+6.5+.5+13.5+6.5+.5+.5=51
tOSU 0+1.5+1+16+0+2+9+9+0+1.5=40
ASU 2.5+12.5+0+13.5+0+0+0+0+0+10=38.5
OkState 0+16+1.5+.5+2+0+10+2+1.5+1=34.5
Mich 1.5+2+.5+.5+2+2+0+5.5+0+20=34
I just don't see another team finishing ahead of Iowa. But, it sure is PSU by miles ahead of everyone else:
PSU 0+20+9+1.5+16+1.5+20+13.5+2+13.5=97
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Thank you for that effort.
This is all in the bracket I posted in the other thread
To be clear, My response was about why Peyton Hall may have been seeded 14. It was not about Ramirez being the 4 seed. I am aware of Ramirez and how he earned his record. He earned his seed.
Awesome. No way I would have known that unless I took the time to click on the link and preruse. But, still, awesome work.
Yeah, Iowa is clearly the second best team in the country, and the gap between them and the rest of the field is as big as the gap up to Penn St. I would personally be absolutely shocked if Iowa finished anywhere but second.
NCAA just making sure they can do whatever they need to in order to keep Carl happy.
Tough road for anybody ranked 8 or below. Not sure why Cass is 4. Lost to the 1 or 2 guy in all his matches
Could t agree more, see SEC in football and baseball. Teams that are .500 in SEC play make baseball regionals, while Big Ten gets top 1, maybe 2 in. Those making the call realize the talent variance between conferences
Not sure, we were right down in row 3 of your section, E. All retired guys. Enjoyed them all wknd.
May be true, but how do you seed him ahead of the 2nd ranked guy he lost to twice? (Rhetorical question; but the OP expressed surprise at the 4 seed given Cass).
Yes, because Hendrickson proved last year he doesn't belong in the top 5 and he hasn't wrestled anyone this year to prove otherwise. The B1G guys have been ranked 1, 2, 3 all year and have only lost to each other,and have beat other Top 10 guys all year, including the guy that was ranked #4 coming into the post-season.
The ducking isn’t going away anytime soon. You beat a highly tanked guy once and you have 25 seeding criteria points in the bag. If a guy medical forfeits it doesn’t add RPI or a quality win to the wrestler who wins. On top of that the committee can decide to turn a blind eye or penalize the wrestler, as it relates to M For. They turned a blind eye to Max. They penalized Amine in the seeding for not wrestling Kharchla, who he stuck in the dual, he also beat Hamiti
I agree with everything you said...except the part about PK. He's going to bring it just like he did at B10s. He's going to be a tough out and I don't think anyone not named Carr, O'Toole and Hamiti are going to beat him.
Yep, and the AF HWT is seeded 2nd. Cornell's seedings nor Hendrickson's 2 seed is going to keep them from signicantly underscoring their seeds. I have faith in Yanni, some in Vito, and a bit in Foca scoring to their seeds, but only Yanni matching Real in points (nobody's matching Spencer). I see the rest of them getting toppled just like some of ours. If Cornell outscores Iowa I'll donate $100 to the HWC. Someone please keep me honest.
There won’t be any easy way to get on the stand at 165. About 14 guys who could AA in that bracket.
If Cornell outscores Iowa I will donate $100 to the HWC!
Instead of blocking people,I'm going to only read Ironbird. Love the optimism.
I concur...that will be a fun bracket to watch especially with the seeds that some of those fellas got. There will be hammers in the wrestlebacks...
165 is going to be great. We've all been waiting for it all year. This is what I have for initial picks:
1. Carr
2. Hamiti
3. O'Toole
4. Kennedy
5. Griffith
6. Monday
7. Facundo
8. Kharchla
Blood Round:
Facundo d. Caliendo
Griffith d. Amine
Kharchla d. Ramirez
Kennedy d. Wilson
Realistically, all of the top 6 are good enough to be champions in a normal draw.
I think I’d be shocked if Facundo is an AA this year. He’s very limited offensively,and that’s not ideal in a weight class with this many studs. If I had to wager I’d say he’s slightly overrated due to the singlet he wears.
No shade to the young man. I just don’t think this is his year.
Optimism is a good thing.
Junior was proud of his cauliflower ears.
There are a lot of 50-50 matches in 165. I have him beating Ramirez, who I'm not particularly impressed with, before losing to Monday in the Qs. He then gets Caliendo in the blood round for an AA spot, which, all things told in this killer weight class, is as favorable of a draw as one can get.
If he loses to Ramirez, then he'd fall into a consi match with the loser of Hall vs Braunagel, which I have projected as Hall, since he MFF'd out of the Big 12 tourney and lost to Braunagel at Midlands. That's one Facundo could lose, but if he wins, the path includes Olenyuk then Kharchla in the BR, who Facundo split matches with so far this year.
The bottom line is that, for as tough as the draw could be at a weight this stacked, Facundo's is as favorable as it gets (certainly not easy, but as easy as possible). I don't think I'd include him as one of the top 8 in the draw, but the draw sheet matters at this point. He avoids Carr, O'Toole, Kennedy, and Griffith no matter what.
Caliendo is a beast and not getting the attention he deserves. Watch his B12 match against Wyatt Sheets, bullied him 17-7. He is not the favorable draw.
Only 3 losses on the year. 2 to O’Toole and he split with Shane Griffith.
We'll see. I'm not all that impressed with Wyatt Sheets, either. The track record for 7th year seniors is not good, and he is only 14-14 on the year.
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