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We'll see. I'm not all that impressed with Wyatt Sheets, either. The track record for 7th year seniors is not good, and he is only 14-14 on the year.

But Sheets was also in deep on the winning takedown late in the 3rd against PK just 3 weeks ago. Common opponents being worthy of dismissal in a lot of cases but Caliendo smoked him with 8 takedowns two weeks later. I would take Facundos chances against Kennedy way before Caliendo when looking at if he got an ideal draw. Kennedy and Caliendo having very similar styles and body types as well.
 
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But Sheets was also in deep on the winning takedown late in the 3rd against PK just 3 weeks ago. Common opponents being worthy of dismissal in a lot of cases but Caliendo smoked him with 8 takedowns two weeks later. I would take Facundos chances against Kennedy way before Caliendo when looking at if he got an ideal draw. Kennedy and Caliendo having very similar styles and body types as well.
That wasn't Kennedy's best match to say the least. Sheets also has losses to Nijenhuis (x2), Moody, Baylor Fernandes, Ogunsanya, and both Minnesota 165s Carlson and Sparks.
 
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I think I’d be shocked if Facundo is an AA this year. He’s very limited offensively,and that’s not ideal in a weight class with this many studs. If I had to wager I’d say he’s slightly overrated due to the singlet he wears.

No shade to the young man. I just don’t think this is his year.

He has the path for it though at least on the front side.
 
There are a lot of 50-50 matches in 165. I have him beating Ramirez, who I'm not particularly impressed with, before losing to Monday in the Qs. He then gets Caliendo in the blood round for an AA spot, which, all things told in this killer weight class, is as favorable of a draw as one can get.

If he loses to Ramirez, then he'd fall into a consi match with the loser of Hall vs Braunagel, which I have projected as Hall, since he MFF'd out of the Big 12 tourney and lost to Braunagel at Midlands. That's one Facundo could lose, but if he wins, the path includes Olenyuk then Kharchla in the BR, who Facundo split matches with so far this year.

The bottom line is that, for as tough as the draw could be at a weight this stacked, Facundo's is as favorable as it gets (certainly not easy, but as easy as possible). I don't think I'd include him as one of the top 8 in the draw, but the draw sheet matters at this point. He avoids Carr, O'Toole, Kennedy, and Griffith no matter what.
So you think Facundo will beat the unimpressive Ramirez, but lose to Monday. This, despite the fact that Ramirez beat Monday the two times they met this year.

Strange logic.
 
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So you think Facundo will beat the unimpressive Ramirez, but lose to Monday. This, despite the fact that Ramirez beat Monday the two times they met this year.

Strange logic.
I consider Monday the better wrestler for sure, but I haven't seen either of those matches, so I don't know what happened there. I haven't been really impressed with what I have seen of Ramirez.
 
So you think Facundo will beat the unimpressive Ramirez, but lose to Monday. This, despite the fact that Ramirez beat Monday the two times they met this year.

Strange logic.
I have that result as well, though I don't think Ramirez is unimpressive. I think Monday is a tougher style match up for Facundo. Wouldn't be surprised to see Ramirez in the semis though.
 
I have that result as well, though I don't think Ramirez is unimpressive. I think Monday is a tougher style match up for Facundo. Wouldn't be surprised to see Ramirez in the semis though.
Grey has been amazing for Ramirez. Talented kid physically. Looks like he's putting it together mentally.
 
Grey has been amazing for Ramirez. Talented kid physically. Looks like he's putting it together mentally.
Ramirez, Foca, and Cardenas all came in together, and they are all now hitting their stride (seeds 4, 4, and 10). They technically have two more years of eligibility (but they'd have to sit out one or two semesters so as to not graduate). They could also graduate and take a year elsewhere as Brucki did between Princeton and Michigan).
 
Ramirez, Foca, and Cardenas all came in together, and they are all now hitting their stride (seeds 4, 4, and 10). They technically have two more years of eligibility (but they'd have to sit out one or two semesters so as to not graduate). They could also graduate and take a year elsewhere as Brucki did between Princeton and Michigan).

No way they're leaving. And yeah. They really should win a trophy this year. I think they come home with 6 AAs.
 
165 is going to be great. We've all been waiting for it all year. This is what I have for initial picks:

1. Carr
2. Hamiti
3. O'Toole
4. Kennedy
5. Griffith
6. Monday
7. Facundo
8. Kharchla

Blood Round:
Facundo d. Caliendo
Griffith d. Amine
Kharchla d. Ramirez
Kennedy d. Wilson

Realistically, all of the top 6 are good enough to be champions in a normal draw.
I don't know why I'm thinking this, but at the end of the day I still think O'Toole will be bringing home the championship at 165. I think he's going to get it all figured out and come to play at NCAAs...
 
I don't know why I'm thinking this, but at the end of the day I still think O'Toole will be bringing home the championship at 165. I think he's going to get it all figured out and come to play at NCAAs...
It’s possible. Personally I will never pick against Carr, but in reality, I consider Carr, Hamiti, and O’Toole all to be national champion caliber wrestlers who all just happen to be in the same weight class.
 
I liked our chances against Phillipi more than Byrd
I agree with this. Phillippi is a 7th year senior. Those guys generally haven't done that well in the 7th year.

Edit: He should get his shot at Phillippi anyway. If Teske loses to Byrd then beats Connor Brown, he'll get the loser of the Phillippi-Nagao match in the next round of consis.
 
I agree with this. Phillippi is a 7th year senior. Those guys generally haven't done that well in the 7th year.

Edit: He should get his shot at Phillippi anyway. If Teske loses to Byrd then beats Connor Brown, he'll get the loser of the Phillippi-Nagao match in the next round of consis.
He's going to beat Byrd and come out the front side.
 
The 8th seed can be extremely difficult to AA from. If the #8 loses in the second round this wrestler could see #1 if he is upset in the 2nd round, #7 if he loses round 1.
If #8 makes the blood round from the consy bracket, that opponent most likely gets the loser of 3&6 in the blood round.
If you get to the QF as # 8 and lose you should get 11 seed, unless 11 beats 6, then you get #6.
 
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The 8th seed can be extremely difficult to AA from. If the #8 loses in the second round this wrestler could see #1 if he is upset in the 2nd round, #7 if he loses round 1.
If #8 makes the blood round from the consy bracket, that opponent most likely gets the loser of 3&6 in the blood round.
If you get to the QF as # 8 and lose you should get 11 seed, unless 11 beats 6, then you get #6.
It's literally the 8th easiest seed to AA from. Out of 33.

Weird take!
 
If you're seeded in the top 8, here are the lowest seeds you need to beat in order to AA:

As a #1 seed, you need to beat #8 (in QFs) OR #11 (in R12)
As a #2 seed, you need to beat #7 (in QFs) OR #12 (in R12)
As a #3 seed, you need to beat #6 (in QFs) OR #9 (in R12)
As a #4 seed, you need to beat #5 (in QF) OR #10 (in R12)
As a #5 seed, you need to beat #12 (in R16) OR #10 (in R12)
As a #6 seed, you need to beat #11 (in R16) AND #9 (in R12)
As a #7 seed, you need to beat #10 (in R16) AND #12 (in R12)
As a #8 seed, you need to beat #9 (in R16) AND #11 (in R12)
#9 seed is essentially the same as #8

#5 & 7 seeds are identical in the seeds they need to beat, but #5 presumably has a better shot at making the semis (by beating #4 vs #2).

Ditto #6 and 8/9.
 
If you're seeded in the top 8, here are the lowest seeds you need to beat in order to AA:

As a #1 seed, you need to beat #8 (in QFs) OR #11 (in R12)
As a #2 seed, you need to beat #7 (in QFs) OR #12 (in R12)
As a #3 seed, you need to beat #6 (in QFs) OR #9 (in R12)
As a #4 seed, you need to beat #5 (in QF) OR #10 (in R12)
As a #5 seed, you need to beat #12 (in R16) OR #10 (in R12)
As a #6 seed, you need to beat #11 (in R16) AND #9 (in R12)
As a #7 seed, you need to beat #10 (in R16) AND #12 (in R12)
As a #8 seed, you need to beat #9 (in R16) AND #11 (in R12)
#9 seed is essentially the same as #8

#5 & 7 seeds are identical in the seeds they need to beat, but #5 presumably has a better shot at making the semis (by beating #4 vs #2).

Ditto #6 and 8/9.
AA by seed over the last 4 tournaments ('18, '19' 21, '22)
SeedTotalAA% AA
1403997.5%
2403690.0%
3403792.5%
4403382.5%
5402870.0%
6402460.0%
7401947.5%
8402255.0%
9401435.0%
10401845.0%
11401230.0%
1240410.0%
1340410.0%
144037.5%
1540615.0%
164037.5%
>=17680182.6%
 
If you're seeded in the top 8, here are the lowest seeds you need to beat in order to AA:

As a #1 seed, you need to beat #8 (in QFs) OR #11 (in R12)
As a #2 seed, you need to beat #7 (in QFs) OR #12 (in R12)
As a #3 seed, you need to beat #6 (in QFs) OR #9 (in R12)
As a #4 seed, you need to beat #5 (in QF) OR #10 (in R12)
As a #5 seed, you need to beat #12 (in R16) OR #10 (in R12)
As a #6 seed, you need to beat #11 (in R16) AND #9 (in R12)
As a #7 seed, you need to beat #10 (in R16) AND #12 (in R12)
As a #8 seed, you need to beat #9 (in R16) AND #11 (in R12)
#9 seed is essentially the same as #8

#5 & 7 seeds are identical in the seeds they need to beat, but #5 presumably has a better shot at making the semis (by beating #4 vs #2).

Ditto #6 and 8/9.
All of that presumes a 1-6 (or more) seed in your bracket doesn't get bounced to the consis in your weight.
 
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AA by seed over the last 4 tournaments ('18, '19' 21, '22)
SeedTotalAA% AA
1403997.5%
2403690.0%
3403792.5%
4403382.5%
5402870.0%
6402460.0%
7401947.5%
8402255.0%
9401435.0%
10401845.0%
11401230.0%
1240410.0%
1340410.0%
144037.5%
1540615.0%
164037.5%
>=17680182.6%
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I like Murin's draw a lot more with Abas at the 9 vs. Milner.

Also makes SVN's draw a lot tougher with Paniro Johnson 2nd rd.
Did it? Henson is a 4, Johnson a 5. They both have a signature win over the B1G elite (Johnson over Gomez, Henson over Sasso) and close losses against Yianni. Both (all three) are freshmen facing the pressure of NCAAs for the first time. Losing in the 2nd round against either one sets up a road block for either 12 or 13 having to face Yahya Thomas in the blood round. To stay on the top side, SVN has to beat Paniro then Henson instead of Henson then Paniro. This has very little effect on SVN's draw.
 
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