I did chuckle once I saw that Conaway has to deal with Taylor again in the 2nd round though at 133
BRACKETS
- Thread starter LaxHawk174
- Start date
Hopefully later tonight....single dad today with 2 under 4...bedtimes are coming up
Maybe call me crazy lol but if Hawks could over perform and get some help from others could make this interesting. I could see 133,141,165.184 from Penn State not making the podium. So can the four studs win it for them?
Would be great to get help from Dance and IMAR again. Hell can wish and dream right.
Would be great to get help from Dance and IMAR again. Hell can wish and dream right.
How about Megastaller and Zane with first round byes?
Thank you very much!
Thank you very much!
Saw Heil of Okie St wrestle McKenna of Stanford in Stillwater. He got a gift victory on a missed shot. If he's the best wrestler in that weight class then 141 is the weakest class in the history of college wrestling.
Their #1 at 165 however was very impressive.
Their #1 at 165 however was very impressive.
That's what I thought too........and then I saw that there are no 1st round byes. They will be wrestling the winner of the pigtail match.
Their 5 studs.
Guilbon got a favorable draw. Manley may be a high seed but he's no world beater. It's a winnable match. If he wins he has Mectate who has had a up and down season. He could go on another run. He may just keep being a thorn in our side.
I was curious if we were going to hear you say that. I thought the same the thing and wondered how you were gonna get your work done tonight.
The notion that Guilibon got a favorable draw is absurd. Manley is a terrible matchup for him.
Well he is no stud in my opinion heck he had 9 losess and just got all the luck at big tens
Well, if I'm unseeded and I know I'm going to draw a ranked guy I would be pretty happy if I draw a guy that got beat by Thorn twice(once bad) and to a d2 kid(yes I know he's good). I'd be a lot happier if he drew Jack or Heil.
Ashnault just majored him this last wkend and that is his qt final. That would be as big a run as I see him having if he has one at all. He could win the first two quite easily though.
Agreed but you never know what could happen on the backside. I was hoping he wouldn't qualify or go 0-2 like he did at the scuffle. He still could but I'm just sayinh he got a favorable draw.
that's what i'm doing, but each weight is different from last years...
i still can't copy/paste the people...surely somewhere there is a better bracket...
I can't believe they haven't included the wrestlebacks...I've looked online and can't find any that have the wrestlebacks as well.
Cox won 2x the year he won his NC. No clear superior wrestler, both really tough to beat. Opinions vary.
I think Cox, up to this year was the better wrestler. MacIntosh's only win over Cox was in a loser's bracket match that Cox didn't seem super interested in. I think McIntosh has improved greatly this year, and I'd call it a tossup at this point. If Pfarr or someone knocked him off prior to the finals, I'd be ok with that too!
POTENTIAL BONUS OPPORTUNITIES
125
-Gilman I can see a TF, then 2 Mdec.. Lambert and Millhof wont be easy to bonus but Gilman has owned Lambert 11-4 and 12-4 this year. Millhof got majored by Tomasello and Piccinnini, I think Gilman can capitalize here.
-Megaludis I see bonus in his first match, but I don't see him bonusing Rodriguez from NDSU or Rios/Klimara will be a much different environment than his last home dual at Rec Hall if he faces Klimara again, and Rodriguez hasn't been beaten by bonus in his college career yet, including against Gilman this year.
133
-Clark could get first two rounds of bonus, if he goes after it, but i'm gonna say first round bonus and then 3 dec wins en route to finals.
-Conaway likely bonus first round as well, but he wont be bonusing Taylor, could snag some in the consi's, hopefully has a tough R12 matchup.
149
-Sorensen probably first round bonus, then a bunch of dec to the finals same as clark
-Retherford, has a cakewalk to the finals, probably bonuses all the way through semis.
157
-Don't see many bonus opportunities for Coop this tournament, just win baby.
-Nolf gets bonus first two rounds, but won't bonus Smith in Qtrs, Gantt in semis, or IMAR in finals.
165
I don't see Rhoads or Morelli getting any bonus, just get the W and keep moving forward Patrick!
174
-Meyer's first rd matchup has gotten bonused by some really low caliber guys this year, hope Meyer can get it done.
-Nickal will bonus first 2 rounds, but don't think he will bonus Rogers/Epperly - Ramos - or Realbuto. Maybe Rogers but that match will have some fireworks in it.
184
-Brooks bonus first round, wins comfortably against Gravina but don't think he'll bonus, then the road gets tough, and i'll be happy with advancement
-McCutcheon maybe bonus first round, but thats all i see. Could get some on the backside but this bracket is a meatgrinder.
197
-Dont see Burak getting bonus on his first two round guys, hopefully he can turn it on and get it done, we need all the bonus we can get.
-McIntosh gets bonus first two rounds but don't think he bonuses Studebaker in Qtrs, hes beaten him by Dec twice this year.
285
-Stollhouse should pin first round, then he'll have a rematch with Black or vs #6 Dejournette, who I think he is better than when healthy, but we'll just have to see. Hope Sammy can pull this match out to guarantee a R12 showing, where anything can happen.
So going off of my estimations
Iowa wins by bonus - 8
PSU wins by bonus - 13
Could add one or two more with Clark/Burak.
PSU will have the lead after Day 1, but we'll know if we have a chance or not after Quarters/Semi's on friday.
125
-Gilman I can see a TF, then 2 Mdec.. Lambert and Millhof wont be easy to bonus but Gilman has owned Lambert 11-4 and 12-4 this year. Millhof got majored by Tomasello and Piccinnini, I think Gilman can capitalize here.
-Megaludis I see bonus in his first match, but I don't see him bonusing Rodriguez from NDSU or Rios/Klimara will be a much different environment than his last home dual at Rec Hall if he faces Klimara again, and Rodriguez hasn't been beaten by bonus in his college career yet, including against Gilman this year.
133
-Clark could get first two rounds of bonus, if he goes after it, but i'm gonna say first round bonus and then 3 dec wins en route to finals.
-Conaway likely bonus first round as well, but he wont be bonusing Taylor, could snag some in the consi's, hopefully has a tough R12 matchup.
149
-Sorensen probably first round bonus, then a bunch of dec to the finals same as clark
-Retherford, has a cakewalk to the finals, probably bonuses all the way through semis.
157
-Don't see many bonus opportunities for Coop this tournament, just win baby.
-Nolf gets bonus first two rounds, but won't bonus Smith in Qtrs, Gantt in semis, or IMAR in finals.
165
I don't see Rhoads or Morelli getting any bonus, just get the W and keep moving forward Patrick!
174
-Meyer's first rd matchup has gotten bonused by some really low caliber guys this year, hope Meyer can get it done.
-Nickal will bonus first 2 rounds, but don't think he will bonus Rogers/Epperly - Ramos - or Realbuto. Maybe Rogers but that match will have some fireworks in it.
184
-Brooks bonus first round, wins comfortably against Gravina but don't think he'll bonus, then the road gets tough, and i'll be happy with advancement
-McCutcheon maybe bonus first round, but thats all i see. Could get some on the backside but this bracket is a meatgrinder.
197
-Dont see Burak getting bonus on his first two round guys, hopefully he can turn it on and get it done, we need all the bonus we can get.
-McIntosh gets bonus first two rounds but don't think he bonuses Studebaker in Qtrs, hes beaten him by Dec twice this year.
285
-Stollhouse should pin first round, then he'll have a rematch with Black or vs #6 Dejournette, who I think he is better than when healthy, but we'll just have to see. Hope Sammy can pull this match out to guarantee a R12 showing, where anything can happen.
So going off of my estimations
Iowa wins by bonus - 8
PSU wins by bonus - 13
Could add one or two more with Clark/Burak.
PSU will have the lead after Day 1, but we'll know if we have a chance or not after Quarters/Semi's on friday.
Overall I like Iowa's draw outside of Burak. Definitely feel we got the better draw than PSU.
125- draw doesn't really matter go get it.
IA-1st, PSU-2 or 4
133 - great draw for us 1/2. Terrible draw for PSU, Taylor bounces him early, then see him losing to DiCamillo who he beat on last second shot to finish 7th.
141- awful draw 5 seed then Thorn/Jordan loser. Good for us
149- 1st PSU and 2nd for IA. Clagon and Climato are tough and could reduce bonus
157- 2nd PSU but tough quarter and semi to reduce bonus. Could have Murphy/Pack to AA, very doable which is all we can ask for.
165 Maybe 1-2 for each
174- PSU probably 1st regardless of draw. Iowa good draw. Beatable Ramos then grudge match with I think Jackson but has to get tough on backside regardless of when he falls. I feel 7/8/Rd 12 is most likely.
184- brutal bracket regardless but I like Brooks chances of wrestling Saturday night. Tough for PSU. Dean then has to beat Avery/Stauffer to AA. Rd 12 best scenerio.
197- 2nd PSU and 4th IA. Only guy that got screwed. Would have loved the 3 but he will wrestleback if he loses in quarter or semi fore 3/4.
285- I actually like his draw and feel he has a good chance at 7/8/rd12.
We will still need some help. Winning formula for Iowa below.
IA
4 finalist
1 4th
1 7/8
2 Rd12
1 goes 1-2
PSU
4 finalist
1 4th
1 7/8
1 Rd 12
2 goes 1-2
I would love it if it came down to who won matches Saturday night with whoever wins more Saturday wins. We can always hope the Hawks show up to the fullest of their ability.
125- draw doesn't really matter go get it.
IA-1st, PSU-2 or 4
133 - great draw for us 1/2. Terrible draw for PSU, Taylor bounces him early, then see him losing to DiCamillo who he beat on last second shot to finish 7th.
141- awful draw 5 seed then Thorn/Jordan loser. Good for us
149- 1st PSU and 2nd for IA. Clagon and Climato are tough and could reduce bonus
157- 2nd PSU but tough quarter and semi to reduce bonus. Could have Murphy/Pack to AA, very doable which is all we can ask for.
165 Maybe 1-2 for each
174- PSU probably 1st regardless of draw. Iowa good draw. Beatable Ramos then grudge match with I think Jackson but has to get tough on backside regardless of when he falls. I feel 7/8/Rd 12 is most likely.
184- brutal bracket regardless but I like Brooks chances of wrestling Saturday night. Tough for PSU. Dean then has to beat Avery/Stauffer to AA. Rd 12 best scenerio.
197- 2nd PSU and 4th IA. Only guy that got screwed. Would have loved the 3 but he will wrestleback if he loses in quarter or semi fore 3/4.
285- I actually like his draw and feel he has a good chance at 7/8/rd12.
We will still need some help. Winning formula for Iowa below.
IA
4 finalist
1 4th
1 7/8
2 Rd12
1 goes 1-2
PSU
4 finalist
1 4th
1 7/8
1 Rd 12
2 goes 1-2
I would love it if it came down to who won matches Saturday night with whoever wins more Saturday wins. We can always hope the Hawks show up to the fullest of their ability.
I think gilman is gonna bonus his first 3.I honestly think he's gonna be a little pit bull and he's gonna go win a NC after what happened at Big Tens. I call that whole situation a blessing in disguise.
I think to win this thing, we gotta get Gilman, Clark, Sorenson and Brooks into the finals. And I think we need 2 champs out of those four. We need Burak to at least be 3/4, preferably 3, but he's the one extra piece that could prove the difference in this. If he can get to the semis against against Mac and find a way to knock him off and get too the finals, that would be beyond HUGE. we need Stoll and Cooper to all American, and we need something point wise out of Meyer and Rhoads. If Meyer could find a podium that also would be HUGE.
It's gonna rewrite a lot if guys wrestling to or over seeds. But I don't think any of the scenarios are impossible or asking too much of our guys. We just gotta be ready to go and no let downs. One match at a time, tons of urgency for 7 minutes at a time, and be the aggressors. I'd have been doing some film study with these guys watching former Hawks like Metcalf, or any of a host of the cats from the 90's and said watch these guys and the urgency and the toughness and the aggression they wrestle with. This is what we gotta bring to NYC. If you wait for Penn State and Ohio State and Oklahoma State and those teams to stumble, you're screwed. You gotta go take it and it's gonna take all 9 guys showing up with an edge and an attitude every day pissed off for greatness. This team can win this. But it's gonna mean several of them adjusting their attitudes and approaches to the mat imo.
I think to win this thing, we gotta get Gilman, Clark, Sorenson and Brooks into the finals. And I think we need 2 champs out of those four. We need Burak to at least be 3/4, preferably 3, but he's the one extra piece that could prove the difference in this. If he can get to the semis against against Mac and find a way to knock him off and get too the finals, that would be beyond HUGE. we need Stoll and Cooper to all American, and we need something point wise out of Meyer and Rhoads. If Meyer could find a podium that also would be HUGE.
It's gonna rewrite a lot if guys wrestling to or over seeds. But I don't think any of the scenarios are impossible or asking too much of our guys. We just gotta be ready to go and no let downs. One match at a time, tons of urgency for 7 minutes at a time, and be the aggressors. I'd have been doing some film study with these guys watching former Hawks like Metcalf, or any of a host of the cats from the 90's and said watch these guys and the urgency and the toughness and the aggression they wrestle with. This is what we gotta bring to NYC. If you wait for Penn State and Ohio State and Oklahoma State and those teams to stumble, you're screwed. You gotta go take it and it's gonna take all 9 guys showing up with an edge and an attitude every day pissed off for greatness. This team can win this. But it's gonna mean several of them adjusting their attitudes and approaches to the mat imo.
Retheford only beat Clagon 2-1 and Clagon wasn't just trying to keep it close if he can make it to the quarters I think that could be a match
Anyone else think we got great draws?
Burak at 4 makes no sense and it does hurt because now he'll have Hartman in the quarters instead of Haught if he were seeded correctly.
BUT:
125: Gilman is in a good spot to make the semi's, where its no fun for anybody. Top 4 seeds are almost irrelevant at 25 to me. Just flip a coin. No easy semi anywhere.
133: Clark has an easy road to the semi's where he'll likely meet Zane. Not that Zane is a pushover, but I'd much rather see him than Nashhon or Brewer. Good draw
149: Sorenson has a very very favorable draw to the semi's, where he'll meet Mayes/Collica/ Tsirtsis? I don't think BS has any problem with Sueflohn in the quarters. Great draw and good path to the finals.
157: Coopers draw is ok. About what you'd expect for a 13 seed. If he wins first rd, then he'd have Ian Miller has not wrestled a tough schedule at all. Think Coop could gas him.
165: Don't expect much from Rhoads, but a first round match with a 13 seed is not so bad.
174: Love Love Love Alex Meyer's position at the 13 seed. Ramos, then Jackson/Brunson (both of whom he's beat) to make the semifinals? Sign me up, great draw.
184: Sammy at the two seed is nice, but 184 is brutal. He'd have Brown/Dudley in the quarters, which I am not thrilled about, at all. Although he got a very generous seed, I don't like Sammy's draw much at all.
197: See above. Should be the 3 seed and hurts because he now has Harttman in the quarters.
285:Stoll has a pretty good draw with the App St hwt as the 6 seed in the second round. About where I thought he'd be.
Burak at 4 makes no sense and it does hurt because now he'll have Hartman in the quarters instead of Haught if he were seeded correctly.
BUT:
125: Gilman is in a good spot to make the semi's, where its no fun for anybody. Top 4 seeds are almost irrelevant at 25 to me. Just flip a coin. No easy semi anywhere.
133: Clark has an easy road to the semi's where he'll likely meet Zane. Not that Zane is a pushover, but I'd much rather see him than Nashhon or Brewer. Good draw
149: Sorenson has a very very favorable draw to the semi's, where he'll meet Mayes/Collica/ Tsirtsis? I don't think BS has any problem with Sueflohn in the quarters. Great draw and good path to the finals.
157: Coopers draw is ok. About what you'd expect for a 13 seed. If he wins first rd, then he'd have Ian Miller has not wrestled a tough schedule at all. Think Coop could gas him.
165: Don't expect much from Rhoads, but a first round match with a 13 seed is not so bad.
174: Love Love Love Alex Meyer's position at the 13 seed. Ramos, then Jackson/Brunson (both of whom he's beat) to make the semifinals? Sign me up, great draw.
184: Sammy at the two seed is nice, but 184 is brutal. He'd have Brown/Dudley in the quarters, which I am not thrilled about, at all. Although he got a very generous seed, I don't like Sammy's draw much at all.
197: See above. Should be the 3 seed and hurts because he now has Harttman in the quarters.
285:Stoll has a pretty good draw with the App St hwt as the 6 seed in the second round. About where I thought he'd be.
Retherford was sicker than a dog when he wrestled Clagon. Yes, it might be close again, but no, that match was not wrestled under normal conditions.
I thought Iowa got pretty good draws for the most part, but I think Okie State got more than their fair share of tough draws.
Penn State got draws on both extremes and not many neutral/meh draws in my opinion. Early rounds could be a bloodbath, with our studs really having to hold serve until the other top teams get whittled down.
Similar threads
Latest posts
-
-
-
-
Football Intel: O'Lontae Dean OV, 2025 Potential Flips, Kaleb Brown- Latest: Eliot Clough