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Buyer’s remorse could be creeping in for GOP on abortion

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HR King
May 29, 2001
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The signs are disparate, inconclusive and perhaps not fully applicable to the 2022 midterm elections. But virtually everything since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade back in June suggests Republicans have a political problem on their hands now that they’ve obtained their long-sought goal of being able to severely restrict and even ban abortion.


And if you look closely, you’ll see signs of potential buyer’s remorse creeping in.
To the extent Republicans rethink their extremely restrictive posture on abortion in the days ahead, a South Carolina state legislator might have provided a crystallizing moment last week.
At a hearing, state Rep. Neal Collins (R) recounted the arduous journey faced by a 19-year-old thanks to an abortion ban he himself supported. Collins said the woman’s fetus was not viable, but that attorneys told her doctor they couldn’t extract it because it still had a heartbeat — the standard set in the bill supported by Collins that had gone into effect just the week before.







“They discharged that 19-year-old,” Collins said. “The doctor told me at that point there is a 50 percent chance — well, first she’s going to pass this fetus in the toilet. She’s going to have to deal with that on her own. There’s a 50 percent chance — greater than 50 percent chance that she’s going to lose her uterus. There’s a 10 percent chance that she will develop sepsis and herself, die.”
Collins added: “That weighs on me. I voted for that bill. These are affecting people.”

It’s a dilemma previewed long before the Supreme Court’s momentous decision, including in this space. In many states, Republicans passed restrictive laws and what’s known as “trigger laws” that would ban almost all abortions, including in cases of rape and incest, and with stringent rules for exceptions to protect the mother’s health. Those measures worked well as messaging exercises, but now they will be law. And polls show those ideas are broadly unpopular.







Since the Supreme Court’s action, the evidence has pointed almost exclusively in one direction: that Democrats have been buoyed by the abortion issue taking on new prominence.
The conservative Wall Street Journal’s editorial board summarized it in a piece after the New York special election, titled “The GOP’s Abortion Problem.”
“Republicans are on the backfoot because they’re talking about abortion as if Roe were still the law, when it was easy to favor a total ban because it didn’t matter,” it wrote. “Now the policy stakes are real, and Republicans will have to make clear what specific abortion limits they favor and why.”
Republicans have been slow to do that. But there are signs that they recognize the peril of this issue’s sudden salience, and they’re charting divergent courses when forced to take positions.











In the New York special election, for instance, Republican Marc Molinaro said he opposed a federal abortion ban. Some GOP Senate candidates, particularly in the West, have effectively endorsed allowing abortion early in a pregnancy. Colorado Senate candidate Joe O’Dea has said abortion should be banned only after 20 weeks. Nevada Senate candidate Adam Laxalt endorsed banning abortion after 13 weeks. Arizona candidate Blake Masters called his state banning abortion after 15 weeks “a reasonable solution” after previously calling abortion “demonic” and likening it to genocide.
Efforts to reckon with rape, incest and other exceptions are less evident but are lurching forward in some red states. Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson (R) has said he prefers the state to have them, but he has yet to press the issue with the state legislature. West Virginia’s state legislature added the exceptions after Democrats forced a vote on an amendment, though the final version of the bill remains uncertain. And Indiana Republicans split over an effort to nix rape and incest exceptions from their bill, leaving them in.
It’s too simple to say Democrats’ sudden signs of hope in their effort to keep Congress are exclusively the result of the abortion issue. It’s also possible this issue creates a Democratic turnout edge in primary and special elections that won’t be replicated in the general election, when more casual voters are more likely to vote.







What’s pretty clear, though, is that Republicans are in the kind of pickle the Wall Street Journal editorial board noted. They’ve now got this power to do something they’ve long said they aspired to do — and which their base demands — but which creates potential problems for them and their very real ambitions of reclaiming power in Washington. In many cases, as the video of state Rep. Collins shows better than just about anything, they’re now contending with the consequences.
At the very least, it’s a complicating factor. Now they must decide how much they fear that factor, and whether they can do anything about it without alienating the voters they’ve spent decades firing up about what was then a much more abstract — and apparently advantageous — issue.

 
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The signs are disparate, inconclusive and perhaps not fully applicable to the 2022 midterm elections. But virtually everything since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade back in June suggests Republicans have a political problem on their hands now that they’ve obtained their long-sought goal of being able to severely restrict and even ban abortion.


And if you look closely, you’ll see signs of potential buyer’s remorse creeping in.
To the extent Republicans rethink their extremely restrictive posture on abortion in the days ahead, a South Carolina state legislator might have provided a crystallizing moment last week.
At a hearing, state Rep. Neal Collins (R) recounted the arduous journey faced by a 19-year-old thanks to an abortion ban he himself supported. Collins said the woman’s fetus was not viable, but that attorneys told her doctor they couldn’t extract it because it still had a heartbeat — the standard set in the bill supported by Collins that had gone into effect just the week before.







“They discharged that 19-year-old,” Collins said. “The doctor told me at that point there is a 50 percent chance — well, first she’s going to pass this fetus in the toilet. She’s going to have to deal with that on her own. There’s a 50 percent chance — greater than 50 percent chance that she’s going to lose her uterus. There’s a 10 percent chance that she will develop sepsis and herself, die.”
Collins added: “That weighs on me. I voted for that bill. These are affecting people.”

It’s a dilemma previewed long before the Supreme Court’s momentous decision, including in this space. In many states, Republicans passed restrictive laws and what’s known as “trigger laws” that would ban almost all abortions, including in cases of rape and incest, and with stringent rules for exceptions to protect the mother’s health. Those measures worked well as messaging exercises, but now they will be law. And polls show those ideas are broadly unpopular.







Since the Supreme Court’s action, the evidence has pointed almost exclusively in one direction: that Democrats have been buoyed by the abortion issue taking on new prominence.
The conservative Wall Street Journal’s editorial board summarized it in a piece after the New York special election, titled “The GOP’s Abortion Problem.”
“Republicans are on the backfoot because they’re talking about abortion as if Roe were still the law, when it was easy to favor a total ban because it didn’t matter,” it wrote. “Now the policy stakes are real, and Republicans will have to make clear what specific abortion limits they favor and why.”
Republicans have been slow to do that. But there are signs that they recognize the peril of this issue’s sudden salience, and they’re charting divergent courses when forced to take positions.











In the New York special election, for instance, Republican Marc Molinaro said he opposed a federal abortion ban. Some GOP Senate candidates, particularly in the West, have effectively endorsed allowing abortion early in a pregnancy. Colorado Senate candidate Joe O’Dea has said abortion should be banned only after 20 weeks. Nevada Senate candidate Adam Laxalt endorsed banning abortion after 13 weeks. Arizona candidate Blake Masters called his state banning abortion after 15 weeks “a reasonable solution” after previously calling abortion “demonic” and likening it to genocide.
Efforts to reckon with rape, incest and other exceptions are less evident but are lurching forward in some red states. Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson (R) has said he prefers the state to have them, but he has yet to press the issue with the state legislature. West Virginia’s state legislature added the exceptions after Democrats forced a vote on an amendment, though the final version of the bill remains uncertain. And Indiana Republicans split over an effort to nix rape and incest exceptions from their bill, leaving them in.
It’s too simple to say Democrats’ sudden signs of hope in their effort to keep Congress are exclusively the result of the abortion issue. It’s also possible this issue creates a Democratic turnout edge in primary and special elections that won’t be replicated in the general election, when more casual voters are more likely to vote.







What’s pretty clear, though, is that Republicans are in the kind of pickle the Wall Street Journal editorial board noted. They’ve now got this power to do something they’ve long said they aspired to do — and which their base demands — but which creates potential problems for them and their very real ambitions of reclaiming power in Washington. In many cases, as the video of state Rep. Collins shows better than just about anything, they’re now contending with the consequences.
At the very least, it’s a complicating factor. Now they must decide how much they fear that factor, and whether they can do anything about it without alienating the voters they’ve spent decades firing up about what was then a much more abstract — and apparently advantageous — issue.

Problem I have with “gung-ho”, no exceptions, pro-life Republicans, is that is their way of thinking no matter what! (Unless it’s their daughter, wife, girlfriend, niece), with the medical issue, been raped, or wanting to get rid of the girlfriend’s pregnancy as he’s married, doesn’t want to get married or pay child support.
 
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In the New York special election, for instance, Republican Marc Molinaro said he opposed a federal abortion ban.

Don't cast your vote based on someone claiming they are "not in favor of a ban".

Cast your vote ONLY if they are in favor of Roe-based rights: abortion access UP TO the 24th week.
No "heartbeat" BS (because there IS NO heartbeat until after birth)
No "embryo" nonsense.

ACCESS.

And if they are serious about reducing abortions, then laws to require insurers and employers UNLIMITED access to birth control as part of their insurance. Companies are not people and thus cannot have "religious beliefs". The owner can have a religious belief, but imposing that on others is 100% against the Constitution.
 
Human life over party.

Except the example given at the start of the article WAS an example of party (GOP) over human life.

Non-viable fetus with a “heartbeat”. Can’t have an abortion because of a poorly thought out law. Now the girl will get to miscarry the baby into a toilet, possibly lose her uterus and never be able to have another child, plus has a 10% chance of dying herself… because that’s what God would want, I’m sure.

Maybe eventually you’ll realize you’re on the wrong side of this. Probably not, though, because religion tends to make people stupid. So do politics. When you combine the two, it’s hopeless to convince someone to even consider a different viewpoint.
 
Women aren’t going to just quietly let white men, like yourself, tell them that they don’t have bodily autonomy and are second class. Who would have thunk it?
Derp.

You know you and I both used to be a simple clump of cells right? We needed someone to look out for us.
 
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Derp.

You know you and I both used to be a simple clump of cells right? We needed someone to look out for us.
What a stupid reply. Your party doesn’t vote for shit that helps kids after they’re born. Hell, you voted against baby formula, dumbass. Republicans prove me right every damn day. Lump of cells doesn’t equal a human. Women aren’t taking this crap.
 
What a stupid reply. Your party doesn’t vote for shit that helps kids after they’re born. Hell, you voted against baby formula, dumbass. Republicans prove me right every damn day. Lump of cells doesn’t equal a human. Women aren’t taking this crap.
Drink
 
What a stupid reply. Your party doesn’t vote for shit that helps kids after they’re born. Hell, you voted against baby formula, dumbass. Republicans prove me right every damn day. Lump of cells doesn’t equal a human. Women aren’t taking this crap.
Sad that you think making people permanent dependents is "helping" them.
 
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The RNC already realizes the abortion ruling will cost them in November.

The question is "How much"?

When a State like Kansas votes like they did, I can answer that question...LOTS!

It will cost them control of the Senate, for sure.

The House??? I think they're worried.
I think the result in Kansas really shocked them. They clearly never expected the backlash they got.
 
So often you've got nothing. Again, I don't think you've been able to answer - why do you want a million more unwanted babies added to the populace each year? I'm still waiting on an answer from a forced birth person.

You're on the side of the people who demand that raped little girls give birth. You're on the side of the people who think women can die to protect a nonviable fetus. You're so messed up.
 
That's because they live in the delusion that they are the majority so no worries if they do something like this.

Not sure I agree with this take. Imo, not the least of the reasons they’ve been so aggressive on gerrymandering (and yes, I know Dems do it to, just not quite to this extent), is because they see their base is shrinking in terms of population shares. And rather than find ways to expand their base, they’re trying to enshrine a minority majority.
 
You're on the side of the people who demand that raped little girls give birth. You're on the side of the people who think women can die to protect a nonviable fetus. You're so messed up.
Anyone who believes raped children should be forced to give birth or mother's should be forced to die to give birth and leave other children motherless has a disgusting belief.
 
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So often you've got nothing. Again, I don't think you've been able to answer - why do you want a million more unwanted babies added to the populace each year? I'm still waiting on an answer from a forced birth person.

You're on the side of the people who demand that raped little girls give birth. You're on the side of the people who think women can die to protect a nonviable fetus. You're so messed up.

Is this true Doobie? Are you that hardcore?
 
They're sad because they're losing/will lose some votes. Not because people will die or suffer serious complications.
The backtracking by some Republican candidates up for election in November is remarkably dizzying and transparently phony.

Blake Masters is a "no-exception-protection-from-conception" Republican who recently won the GOP nomination for Senate in Arizona. Within the past few days he scrubbed his campaign website of his extreme abortion views and is now trying to portray himself as a "common sense" moderate.


Other Republican candidates are giving the old jackie Gleason "hommina hommina" response when asked about their long standing extreme positions.

Did they think pro-choice voters, a solid majority, wouldn't notice?

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Anyone who believes raped children should be forced to give birth or mother's should be forced to die to give birth and leave other children motherless has a disgusting belief.
Not if they need an heir to the Iron Throne.
 
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