Call Me 'Ze,' not 'He': Please Use 'Gender Inclusive' Pronouns

[22*43*51]

When Libs run wild...

Educators in the Volunteer State are very concerned that students might be offended by the usage of traditional pronouns like she, he, him and hers, according to a document from the University of Tennessee – Knoxville’s Office of Diversity and Inclusion.

“With the new semester beginning and an influx of new students on campus, it is important to participate in making our campus welcoming and inclusive for all,” wrote Donna Braquet in a posting on the university’s website. “One way to do that is to use a student’s chosen name and their correct pronouns.”

Braquet, who is director of the university’s Pride Center, suggested using a variety of gender neutral pronouns instead of traditional pronouns.

“There are dozens of gender-neutral pronouns,” she declared.

For all you folks who went to school back when there were only him and her – here’s a primer: some of the new gender neutral pronouns are ze, hir, zir, xe, xem and xyr.

“These may sound a little funny at first, but only because they are new,” Braquet explained. “The ‘she’ and ‘he’ pronouns would sound strange too if we had been taught ‘ze’ when growing up.”


http://diversity.utk.edu/2015/08/pronouns/

 

[HallofFame]

 

[22*43*51]

...and people wonder where cuts can be made in state education budgets.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

No.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

I find it weird as a guy who's not politically a fan of either side that liberals believe that one can change their gender which is biologically defined by what parts you are born with 99.99% of the time.

But these same people don't believe that one can change their race which is determined by people most often by the amount of Melanin in your skin and what hairsyle you have.

 

[naturalmwa]

I find it weird as a guy who's not politically a fan of either side that liberals believe that one can change their gender which is biologically defined by what parts you are born with 99.99% of the time.

But these same people don't believe that one can change their race which is determined by people most often by the amount of Melanin in your skin and what hairsyle you have.

I'm not sure this is really indicative of the state of liberalism in America today. I'll have to check my talking points.

 

[thewop]

That is lunacy. No two ways about it.

 

[thewop]

I took to the Twitters to see what was being said about this woman, and ran across this acronym. Help Please, what is it: GLBTRT

 

[Quintana]

I took to the Twitters to see what was being said about this woman, and ran across this acronym. Help Please, what is it: GLBTRT

abbrv. of Globe Trotters... obviously they are basketball fans.

 

[ping72]

I'm not sure this is really indicative of the state of liberalism in America today. I'll have to check my talking points.

Now that Jon Stewart is gone, where do we get said talking points? I've been struggling the past few weeks.

 

[thewop]

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

I'm not sure this is really indicative of the state of liberalism in America today. I'll have to check my talking points.

I've heard far too often from liberals that if I don't believe that a person that has a penis and testicles is woman and treat said person as a woman for all intents and purposes then I'm transphobic.

These same people say "gender is fluid but race is not". Why? Because liberals said so.

 

[naturalmwa]

I've heard far too often from liberals that if I don't believe that a person that has a penis and testicles is woman and treat said person as a woman for all intents and purposes then I'm transphobic.

These same people say "gender is fluid but race is not". Why? Because liberals said so.

You must hang around an odd group of libs. What I hear is that if you insist on treating a person differently then they wish to be treated, you are a jerk. You know, the golden rule.

 

[naturalmwa]

Now that Jon Stewart is gone, where do we get said talking points? I've been struggling the past few weeks.

I hear you, I've even been watching reruns this week. With MSNBC going mainstream that avenue is cut off too. Where is this liberal media we hear so much about?

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

You must hang around an odd group of libs. What I hear is that if you insist on treating a person differently then they wish to be treated, you are a jerk. You know, the golden rule.

You mean differently from how YOU wish to be treated?

Because I wish to be treated based on who I am in reality. . . I don't ask people to treat me based on some fantasy I have of who I am.

Transexuals pretend to be someone they are not. . . which is fine if said fantasies where only limited to their own minds or how they dress and act. However when they demand they be allowed to use a restroom of a gender they are not and will never be. Genital mutilation and hormone therapy do not change those things either. That is a problem.

I'm not going to say anything mean to a transexual just for dressing or acting like the opposite sex. But if they expect me to be comfortable with a woman who says she a man going to the men's restroom I am not and I will object just like I would object if a woman walked in and started trying to use it for herself.

And I'm certainly going to object if a man who says he's a woman goes into the women's restroom with my wife or daughter. And that's what get's us called "jerks" I suppose. But don't mince words. . . I want to be treated based on who I am, not some made up persona that I pretend to be.

Otherwise I might as well just make up a personna where I'm the Emperor of the United States and start demanding people bow down before me whenever I enter the room.

 

[Brian_Fantana]

Too lazy to read the actual article or look it up. what do these actually mean? ze, hir, zir, xe, xem and xyr. ---

 

[fredjr82]

You mean differently from how YOU wish to be treated?

Because I wish to be treated based on who I am in reality. . . I don't ask people to treat me based on some fantasy I have of who I am.

Transexuals pretend to be someone they are not. . . which is fine if said fantasies where only limited to their own minds or how they dress and act. However when they demand they be allowed to use a restroom of a gender they are not and will never be. Genital mutilation and hormone therapy do not change those things either. That is a problem.

I'm not going to say anything mean to a transexual just for dressing or acting like the opposite sex. But if they expect me to be comfortable with a woman who says she a man going to the men's restroom I am not and I will object just like I would object if a woman walked in and started trying to use it for herself.

And I'm certainly going to object if a man who says he's a woman goes into the women's restroom with my wife or daughter. And that's what get's us called "jerks" I suppose. But don't mince words. . . I want to be treated based on who I am, not some made up persona that I pretend to be.

Otherwise I might as well just make up a personna where I'm the Emperor of the United States and start demanding people bow down before me whenever I enter the room.

You support Mike Huckabee, don't you?

I have a boss, who's wife (divorced/remarried) gave birth to a daughter in her first marriage. That daughter decided she was born in the wrong body and has decided to become a man. I've seen pictures and I'm not going to lie to you, I would have never guessed he was born a girl. You wouldn't be able too tell the difference either. So I'm not sure how you would tell that person to get out of the men's restroom unless you are actually watching them pee and looking at their genitals. The problem becomes that those opposed to transsexual people use Caitlyn Jenner as your poster girl/boy. That is a very naive stance to take. Knowing your posting history, I doubt you really have much experience with transsexual people so to take the stance you did, just shows how little you know about the subject.

 

[ping72]

You mean differently from how YOU wish to be treated?

Because I wish to be treated based on who I am in reality. . . I don't ask people to treat me based on some fantasy I have of who I am.

Transexuals pretend to be someone they are not. . . which is fine if said fantasies where only limited to their own minds or how they dress and act. However when they demand they be allowed to use a restroom of a gender they are not and will never be. Genital mutilation and hormone therapy do not change those things either. That is a problem.

I'm not going to say anything mean to a transexual just for dressing or acting like the opposite sex. But if they expect me to be comfortable with a woman who says she a man going to the men's restroom I am not and I will object just like I would object if a woman walked in and started trying to use it for herself.

And I'm certainly going to object if a man who says he's a woman goes into the women's restroom with my wife or daughter. And that's what get's us called "jerks" I suppose. But don't mince words. . . I want to be treated based on who I am, not some made up persona that I pretend to be.

Otherwise I might as well just make up a personna where I'm the Emperor of the United States and start demanding people bow down before me whenever I enter the room.

No, I'm pretty sure he meant how THEY wanted to be treated.

 

[naturalmwa]

You mean differently from how YOU wish to be treated?

Because I wish to be treated based on who I am in reality. . . I don't ask people to treat me based on some fantasy I have of who I am.

Transexuals pretend to be someone they are not. . . which is fine if said fantasies where only limited to their own minds or how they dress and act. However when they demand they be allowed to use a restroom of a gender they are not and will never be. Genital mutilation and hormone therapy do not change those things either. That is a problem.

I'm not going to say anything mean to a transexual just for dressing or acting like the opposite sex. But if they expect me to be comfortable with a woman who says she a man going to the men's restroom I am not and I will object just like I would object if a woman walked in and started trying to use it for herself.

And I'm certainly going to object if a man who says he's a woman goes into the women's restroom with my wife or daughter. And that's what get's us called "jerks" I suppose. But don't mince words. . . I want to be treated based on who I am, not some made up persona that I pretend to be.

Otherwise I might as well just make up a personna where I'm the Emperor of the United States and start demanding people bow down before me whenever I enter the room.

I'm going to suggest that you like to view the world with a fairly fantastical notion of reality yourself. So in that vein, I would think you might seek to be a bit more tolerant of those who similarly seem to check their reason at the door. I don't pretend to completely understand transexual or trans racial thinking, but I don't think thats really the most important. They should be tolerated, respected and reasonably accommodated IMO. If the worse thing these folks might do is to take a crap in the public stall next to you, I'd say your fears are a little overblown. We don't all need to be the same, freaks are fun.

 

[22*43*51]

So, all the Libs in this thread support this new "Common Core" source of composition?

Tell me I'm wrong. Some lib please come out against this ridiculousness.

 

[naturalmwa]

So, all the Libs in this thread support this new "Common Core" source of composition?

Tell me I'm wrong. Some lib please come out against this ridiculousness.

Where are you reading any support of this? We all agree it's dumb and moved on to the dangers of tranny poop. You're missing a HROT poop thread with your obsession on academia.

 

[22*43*51]

Where are you reading any support of this? We all agree it's dumb and moved on to the dangers of tranny poop. You're missing a HROT poop thread with your obsession on academia.

I saw no poop.

No poop was present.

To my knowledge, you delivered no poop.

 

[naturalmwa]

I saw no poop.

No poop was present.

To my knowledge, you delivered no poop.

Hoosier slipped it in as his main objection to trannies.

 

[Hawk_82]

Most people in this world go about their day in an honest way. If I see a person who looks like a man I am going to say "he", If I see a person who looks like a girl I will say "her". Just like if your name is James I will say "he". It is not the general publics responsibility to make sure that others are identified correctly. For a certain percentage of the population I am not able to tell if they are male or female, in this situation I try to feel it out or use a neutral term.

If you are called the wrong thing then it is your responsibility to politely correct me or to ignore my mistake and go on with your day.

As far as what bathroom a transgender person uses, I do not want my wife or daughter going to the bathroom in the same room as a guy who is transgender. I do not have anything against transgender, but it is just way to easy for a straight guy to also put on a dress and have bad intentions in that bathroom.

I do realize that transgender people also need to use the restroom and they have every right to do that. however when every person goes out in public they are doing it with the risk of being judged. A good looking, well dressed transgender may not even be noticed as transgender (no problem here). Just like some gay people make their gayness very public and others dress as a straight person might. If I shave my head, and wear a leather jacket I might be judged as a bad biker guy. Everything I wear and how I act is always being judged by those around me, this is not unique to the alternative gender community.

My point is that alternative genders carry an even greater responsibility than the average joe. they need to be tolerant and respectful of the gender norms for the majority of society. If you are a transgender "male to female" and you are using the restroom you should be aware of your surroundings and maybe not use the restroom closest to the children's playground in the mall. Maybe a better choice would be to go to any other restroom that would give you less exposure to a very protective parent and their child.

If you make the decision to be an alternative gender, you are also making that choice that you might be called the wrong name, you might be misidentified, you might be misunderstood, you might be stared at, and you might be hear people talking amongst themselves as you walk by. In most situations you are going to have to learn to be tolerant to those who might be ignorant to your ways. Most do not mean harm to you but you very well might have been the highlight of their day and they are going to talk about it.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

You support Mike Huckabee, don't you?

I have a boss, who's wife (divorced/remarried) gave birth to a daughter in her first marriage. That daughter decided she was born in the wrong body and has decided to become a man. I've seen pictures and I'm not going to lie to you, I would have never guessed he was born a girl. You wouldn't be able too tell the difference either. So I'm not sure how you would tell that person to get out of the men's restroom unless you are actually watching them pee and looking at their genitals. The problem becomes that those opposed to transsexual people use Caitlyn Jenner as your poster girl/boy. That is a very naive stance to take. Knowing your posting history, I doubt you really have much experience with transsexual people so to take the stance you did, just shows how little you know about the subject.

Nope, the closest guy I could support is Kasich (sp?). But he won't win the nomination so it doesn't really matter. I'm honestly looking for some off the wall write in candidate I can vote for a year from now. If not I will probably write in someone who's either fictional, dead, or not eligible. So either Mickey Mouse, William Jennings Bryant, or Jorge Bergoglio

I don't like Huckabee because he's like every other Republican. . . delivers stupid one line answers about pulling your own bootstraps about poverty instead of real solutions to help alleviate it.

You know how against abortion I am right? Well my main problem with Republicans is that while they oppose the active killing of the unborn through abortion, they don't mind passively killing the child by delivering their stupid one liners about bootstraps to their parents instead of food and healthcare. Why because it might cost people with all the money and power in the world a few bucks in their taxes.

So it's really hard to support them. Only Kasich has indicated at least some level of support for taking care of the weakest among us while at the same time defending the weakest among us right to not be killed by a medical school educated hit man.

And I'm not even completely sure about him. He'd likely still drop bombs on children in his efforts to kill terrorists.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

I'm going to suggest that you like to view the world with a fairly fantastical notion of reality yourself. So in that vein, I would think you might seek to be a bit more tolerant of those who similarly seem to check their reason at the door. I don't pretend to completely understand transexual or trans racial thinking, but I don't think thats really the most important. They should be tolerated, respected and reasonably accommodated IMO. If the worse thing these folks might do is to take a crap in the public stall next to you, I'd say your fears are a little overblown. We don't all need to be the same, freaks are fun.

Reasonably accommodating someone doesn't mean entertaining their fantasies about who they are. Again a guy can dress like a woman, try to talk to a woman etc etc and that's their right, you won't hear any issues from me. I don't believe in unnecessarily causing offense. But if you are a man/boy and you want to be in the women's restroom, then no, I don't care if you are offended, get out. You where born a man, that's what you are. . . Sorry but that's reality, one you can't change. Also you don't get to play on the girl's basketball team either.

If it does mean entertaining fantasies then I demand everyone treat me as their beloved emperor. If necessary I'm sure I could find the clothes to dress as an emperor, what kind would you like? Medieval Byzantine? Napoleonic, that's my personal fav., or I could just wear a suit and pretend to be a modern despot.

 

[naturalmwa]

Reasonably accommodating someone doesn't mean entertaining their fantasies about who they are. Again a guy can dress like a woman, try to talk to a woman etc etc and that's their right, you won't hear any issues from me. I don't believe in unnecessarily causing offense. But if you are a man/boy and you want to be in the women's restroom, then no, I don't care if you are offended, get out. You where born a man, that's what you are. . . Sorry but that's reality, one you can't change. Also you don't get to play on the girl's basketball team either.

If it does mean entertaining fantasies then I demand everyone treat me as their beloved emperor. If necessary I'm sure I could find the clothes to dress as an emperor, what kind would you like? Medieval Byzantine? Napoleonic, that's my personal fav., or I could just wear a suit and pretend to be a modern despot.

What is the objection to someone who thinks they are female and acts female using the female restroom? Seems like an odd hang up that shouldn't really determine civil rights. I assume you think they are a threat to rape females? That fear doesn't strike me as obviously likely, but If preventing rape is the standard how is forcing that female looking and acting person into the men's room an effective solution?

 

[ottumwan in tx]

David Ze Roth?

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

What is the objection to someone who thinks they are female and acts female using the female restroom? Seems like an odd hang up that shouldn't really determine civil rights. I assume you think they are a threat to rape females? That fear doesn't strike me as obviously likely, but If preventing rape is the standard how is forcing that female looking and acting person into the men's room an effective solution?

Rape/sexual assault etc is only a small concern as I don't image a public restroom where anyone can walk in would be a good place to rape/sexually assault someone as you'd likely be caught in the act and if there are too few people around to catch you in the act then rules about not going in the wrong bathroom arn't going to change much.

The main issue is comfort. I don't want women pretending they are men in the men's restroom either. Because that makes me uncomfortable, I'm simply not comfortable potentially being partially nude (if changing or using urinal) in front of any woman but my spouse. If you can't recognize that those things might make some people uncomfortable then you likely don't care if everyone just used the same restroom regardless of gender. But we have gender based bathrooms for a reason.

The other issue I have is that if we are accepting of someone's transition we don't have a firm and established criteria as to what makes this transition complete. If I'm at the gym and I notice a particularly attractive woman going into the locker room, why can't I start self identifying as a woman at that moment? You know just to get a good look at what she'd hiding under her workout clothes? I know that is going to the absurd but that's the point. . . What's the line, what does someone have to do in order to gender identify as a gender they where not born as and/or are not physically? Because it seems to me right now all one has to do is say that they currently identify as the other gender and perhaps invent a new name for themselves.

 

[naturalmwa]

Rape/sexual assault etc is only a small concern as I don't image a public restroom where anyone can walk in would be a good place to rape/sexually assault someone as you'd likely be caught in the act and if there are too few people around to catch you in the act then rules about not going in the wrong bathroom arn't going to change much.

The main issue is comfort. I don't want women pretending they are men in the men's restroom either. Because that makes me uncomfortable, I'm simply not comfortable potentially being partially nude (if changing or using urinal) in front of any woman but my spouse. If you can't recognize that those things might make some people uncomfortable then you likely don't care if everyone just used the same restroom regardless of gender. But we have gender based bathrooms for a reason.

The other issue I have is that if we are accepting of someone's transition we don't have a firm and established criteria as to what makes this transition complete. If I'm at the gym and I notice a particularly attractive woman going into the locker room, why can't I start self identifying as a woman at that moment? You know just to get a good look at what she'd hiding under her workout clothes? I know that is going to the absurd but that's the point. . . What's the line, what does someone have to do in order to gender identify as a gender they where not born as and/or are not physically? Because it seems to me right now all one has to do is say that they currently identify as the other gender and perhaps invent a new name for themselves.

I think we have already identified a very practical line. You are the gender or race or other fantastical persona you present to the world. So if the person presents a feminine persona, they go into the ladies room. If you have your jock on at the gym, you aren't presenting a feminine persona.

I understand the comfort idea, I'm not immune to it myself. But these people exist and deserve civil rights and barring some sort of mass redesign of our public restrooms must be accommodated. If you wanted to walk around with a emperor's crown on your head, society shouldn't keep you out of the restroom either. And how would we know you were the emperor? When you presented yourself with your crown of course. This seems fairly easy really.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

I think we have already identified a very practical line. You are the gender or race or other fantastical persona you present to the world. So if the person presents a feminine persona, they go into the ladies room. If you have your jock on at the gym, you aren't presenting a feminine persona.

I understand the comfort idea, I'm not immune to it myself. But these people exist and deserve civil rights and barring some sort of mass redesign of our public restrooms must be accommodated. If you wanted to walk around with a emperor's crown on your head, society shouldn't keep you out of the restroom either. And how would we know you were the emperor? When you presented yourself with your crown of course. This seems fairly easy really.

They can use the restroom, the restroom of the gender they where born with. But ask them to do that and liberals complain about how transphobic that is.

They seem determined to play into their fantasies. It's not the same as saying a guy who pretends to be the emperor can go to the restroom. It's making everyone bow whenever the "emperor" enters the room and referring to the "emperor" as "Your imperial majesty" or "His imperial majesty" rather then ordinary pro-nouns.

In terms of acting like what you think you are. . . that's not entirely clear because not everything is defined as masculine or feminine. In our culture women dress like men all the time, but that doesn't mean they self identify as men. It's just that it's ok for women to wear men's clothes in our culture.

So I could dress like a guy minus the jock strap, go running on the tredmill and there really isn't much indication as to if I self identify as a man or a woman. One might assume a man because that's what I am, but heck that girl that just went in the locker room is insanely hot. Man I feel like a woman.

Sorry this entire thing just seems entirely illogical to me and I'm not going to entertain it just so I can feel as though I'm on "the right side of history".

 

[fredjr82]

They can use the restroom, the restroom of the gender they where born with. But ask them to do that and liberals complain about how transphobic that is.

So what do you do with someone like Caitlyn Jenner? If you didn't know who she was would you know she was a man in her former life? So are you saying that Caitlyn Jenner (in the form we see her today) should be using the men's restroom? She looks more like a woman than a man. How are you or anyone else policing that? Are you standing at the door to check genitalia? What is your greatest fear of Caitlyn Jenner peeing next to your wife or daughter? What I think is probably happening here is that you're "brainwashed" into thinking that transsexual people are all perverts so the second they get in the bathroom its nothing but fondling and sucking. I may have missed it in the your previous posts but what about them using the bathroom is your major hangup?

 

[BABiscuit]

Rape/sexual assault etc is only a small concern as I don't image a public restroom where anyone can walk in would be a good place to rape/sexually assault someone as you'd likely be caught in the act and if there are too few people around to catch you in the act then rules about not going in the wrong bathroom arn't going to change much.

The main issue is comfort. I don't want women pretending they are men in the men's restroom either. Because that makes me uncomfortable, I'm simply not comfortable potentially being partially nude (if changing or using urinal) in front of any woman but my spouse. If you can't recognize that those things might make some people uncomfortable then you likely don't care if everyone just used the same restroom regardless of gender. But we have gender based bathrooms for a reason.

The other issue I have is that if we are accepting of someone's transition we don't have a firm and established criteria as to what makes this transition complete. If I'm at the gym and I notice a particularly attractive woman going into the locker room, why can't I start self identifying as a woman at that moment? You know just to get a good look at what she'd hiding under her workout clothes? I know that is going to the absurd but that's the point. . . What's the line, what does someone have to do in order to gender identify as a gender they where not born as and/or are not physically? Because it seems to me right now all one has to do is say that they currently identify as the other gender and perhaps invent a new name for themselves.

How comfortable would you be if this person walked into the bathroom and came to the urinal right next to you? FYI do not google image search hot tranny if you are hoping to find HROT appropriate pics.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

So what do you do with someone like Caitlyn Jenner? If you didn't know who she was would you know she was a man in her former life? So are you saying that Caitlyn Jenner (in the form we see her today) should be using the men's restroom? She looks more like a woman than a man. How are you or anyone else policing that? Are you standing at the door to check genitalia? What is your greatest fear of Caitlyn Jenner peeing next to your wife or daughter? What I think is probably happening here is that you're "brainwashed" into thinking that transsexual people are all perverts so the second they get in the bathroom its nothing but fondling and sucking. I may have missed it in the your previous posts but what about them using the bathroom is your major hangup?

Look at his jaw and it's extremely clear he's a man. Listen to him talk and he's extremely clear he's a man.

Doesn't look like a woman to me. Looks like a guy who put on a dress and some make up.

 

[naturalmwa]

They can use the restroom, the restroom of the gender they where born with. But ask them to do that and liberals complain about how transphobic that is.

They seem determined to play into their fantasies. It's not the same as saying a guy who pretends to be the emperor can go to the restroom. It's making everyone bow whenever the "emperor" enters the room and referring to the "emperor" as "Your imperial majesty" or "His imperial majesty" rather then ordinary pro-nouns.

In terms of acting like what you think you are. . . that's not entirely clear because not everything is defined as masculine or feminine. In our culture women dress like men all the time, but that doesn't mean they self identify as men. It's just that it's ok for women to wear men's clothes in our culture.

So I could dress like a guy minus the jock strap, go running on the tredmill and there really isn't much indication as to if I self identify as a man or a woman. One might assume a man because that's what I am, but heck that girl that just went in the locker room is insanely hot. Man I feel like a woman.

Sorry this entire thing just seems entirely illogical to me and I'm not going to entertain it just so I can feel as though I'm on "the right side of history". And considering the damage liberals have done to families and children through abortions and through easy divorce. . . I'd take being on the wrong side of history on some things to be a compliment.

OK, so why fight the transphobic label? It seems clear that term fits your views.

 

[fredjr82]

Look at his jaw and it's extremely clear he's a man. Listen to him talk and he's extremely clear he's a man.

Doesn't look like a woman to me. Looks like a guy who put on a dress and some make up.

OK. So she looks like a man. There are thousands of REAL women who have manly features. Are they not allowed to pee in the women's restroom either? How are you policing this? Please answer what the major fear of letting Caitlyn Jenner pee in the women's restroom.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

How comfortable would you be if this person walked into the bathroom and came to the urinal right next to you? FYI do not google image search hot tranny if you are hoping to find HROT appropriate pics.

Again jaw, it's pretty clear that's a man.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

OK, so why fight the transphobic label? It seems clear that term fits your views.

Because it's a simple insult to basically make people quit thinking. Oh this is a extremely hateful person so you can't listen to them when they have perfectly logical reasons why they oppose this.

And none of it has to do with "Oh I hate transexuals" or saying that they shouldn't exist or shouldn't be able to dress how they want and act how they want. Nor does it involve taking away any civil rights.

 

[BABiscuit]

Again jaw, it's pretty clear that's a man.

So you would prefer she comes and pees next to you at a urinal rather than go to an enclosed stall next to your wife or daughter? You would do a quick scan of the jawline and know she's a dude and wouldn't be at taken aback by it?

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

OK. So she looks like a man. There are thousands of REAL women who have manly features. Are they not allowed to pee in the women's restroom either? How are you policing this? Please answer what the major fear of letting Caitlyn Jenner pee in the women's restroom.

Because it makes actual women feel uncomfortable for a very legit reason.