Can a team with a POY go deep in tourney with only a dominant defense and 1 reliable scorer?

[KcTo]

not saying the defense is not improving as it is
17-18 242nd
18-19 111th
19-20 87th with a low of 76th.

but for those that claim that Fran can't coach defense
12-13 24th
13-14 77th
14-15 34th
15-16 30th

those 4 year starters recorded the 3rd best record by 4 year starters in Iowa's history.

I do think his personnel decisions play into this, for example, Jobo

OSU will test our big lineup
with 4 quick guards around Wesson. Who will luka guard?

Actually they appear to start Kaleb Wesson and 2 Forwards, Kyle Young, 6’8”, that shoots 16% from 3.

the question will be, How will they defend Kriener and Garza inside?

Iowa should own this team with 2pt FG% in the paint

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

OP Huh? Cordell played his best game in a long time and is tough as nails, but you lost me suggesting that he is a great defender. He would be devastating in an over 40 YMCA league, where the other guys also can't jump or move quickly, although many of them would be better shooters...

 

[ICWestfan]

Welcome back Gilligan/Herby/Blacktarn!!!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

[DodgerHawki]

Did you miss the reference to MD and Cincinnati..?

These 3 games represent Iowa’s best win (MD) and best wins away from home (MN and Cincinnati)

So the sample set I’m referring to are these.
And they are games played with the 2big configurations.

maybe you sample set is too small?

LOL. It also includes basically the Penn State game away when Frederick got injured and the road Nebraska game. Iowa's defense was putrid in those games. See how this works?

I can't help you if you really think the key to unlocking success is playing Pemsl, Kriener and Garza as many minutes as possible is the key to success. Good win by Iowa at Minnesota, Kriener getting back to how he was playing would be very big, as it does allow Iowa to play some of the game with 2 big guys if they want.

 

[RocknRollface]

OSU will test our big lineup
with 4 quick guards around Wesson. Who will luka guard?

He'll guard the middle.

 

[RocknRollface]

LOL. It also includes basically the Penn State game away when Frederick got injured and the road Nebraska game. Iowa's defense was putrid in those games. See how this works?

I can't help you if you really think the key to unlocking success is playing Pemsl, Kriener and Garza as many minutes as possible is the key to success. Good win by Iowa at Minnesota, Kriener getting back to how he was playing would be very big, as it does allow Iowa to play some of the game with 2 big guys if they want.

A theory that starts off assuming CJ is our weakest defender does not need to be examined any further.

 

[sober_teacher]

So I’m still looking for a well though out reply to the question: Can Iowa make a deep run using:

1. A POY candidate.
2. Strong defense. (Employing 2Bigs As illustrated at MN, at Cincinnati at at home vs MD)
3. Can they do so with only 1 other scorer.

And we’ve seen it before with Danny Manning leading a team of role players behind an elite level POY.

and the Navy team with ‘The Admiral’ (thank you Tippet1)

1. In today's game, while you can win with one elite player, it's REALLY hard to do when that player is a big. Too easy for that player to get in foul trouble, injured, etc., and then the team has to re-invent their offense on the fly. That's much easier to do when your best player is a guard/forward.
2. Yes, we've seen that this team is capable of playing good defense. We've had several examples through big 10 play of games where we pulled away down the stretch because we went on runs in the last 5 minutes while allowing few or no points. Consistency has been the issue, and heck, sometimes, it's just the other team's night (purdue).
3. It depends on which version of Wieskamp we get. Aggressive, locked in Joe W, absolutely they can. On nights like sunday, where he gets frustrated and/or passive at times, then no I don't think Iowa could make a run. Maybe Sweet Sixteen if they get a good draw, but that's the ceiling to me if CJ remains out/limited and Joe W is ineffective. Joe's weakness as a player is that he's too unselfish at times. Luka is clearly the alpha of the team, but I'd really like to see Joe be more selfish then he is at times.

“...2Bigs IN the POST JoBo era...” is specifically what my assertion is...

MD, MN, Cincinnati game

Nunge is a defensive liability, Kriener and Pemsl are defensive strengths

Imo, we don't have nearly enough of a sample of bulked-up Nunge at PF to know how good or not a defender he is. Losing him was huge from a depth standpoint if nothing else.

 

[KcTo]

LOL. It also includes basically the Penn State game away when Frederick got injured and the road Nebraska game. Iowa's defense was putrid in those games. See how this works?

I can't help you if you really think the key to unlocking success is playing Pemsl, Kriener and Garza as many minutes as possible is the key to success. Good win by Iowa at Minnesota, Kriener getting back to how he was playing would be very big, as it does allow Iowa to play some of the game with 2 big guys if they want.

A. I see you conveniently omit Iowa’s best win and next best road win.

B. Let’s try to break down these to games so you can better understand
-tPSU. MAYBE Iowa 2nd best game of the year. Iowa goes on road to play a team now ranked #9 in the country, and comes away a 3pt loser, a far cry from the bum-rush road losses at IU and Purdue, yes?

-Iowa holds tPSU to 45% FG%, well that’s not bad, much better than IU, Purdue, yes?

-if Garza can just shoot 70% from the line, not 7-14, it’s a tie game,

-this is tPSU’s MOST contested home game of season, and versus one of the highest tempo teams in the league, (which means more possessions, more points in game).

-I can’t help but think playing defensive stopper pemsl more than 11min, a few more FT made by Garza, and that is Iowa’s best win of year.

So the CJF-less lineup certainly played Iowa’s best game on road versus the highest level team and nearly pulled put the win.

Neb.
-anytime Fran plays JoeTO 35m, allows him to attempt more FGA than POY Garza, allows the absolute worst offensive player 18 FGA, and you get beat, you have to ask Fran, WTH. WHat do you expect? (Recall JoeTO was benched for most 2h At MN in favor of pemsl)

-Nebraska was held tp 49% FG%, and whose offense output was augmented by 8 FT of last 12 pts,.

-again, we see a productive pemsl get only 9m, but goes 2-3, 3B, 1A, 1Blk, ,perhaps if pemsl plays 35m (or Kriener and pemsl 25) and JoeTO plays 9, this is a win?

in summary, we can see again how the bigs produce, but at NeB, it was JoeTO losing their game with 18FGA and 4TO.

 

[Ronman]

Can't we just have a post where KcTo and Gilligan222 have an argument with himself?

 

[KcTo]

A theory that starts off assuming CJ is our weakest defender does not need to be examined any further.

Care to change your statement after reviewing these 2 analytics sites that evaluate NBA players?

Sports Reference where low rating is preferred, the 2nd is Defensive boxscore +/-, where high is best
LG. 97.4
JT. 100.3
JW. 101.3
CP. 101.9
RK. 102.4
CM. 103.2
JB. 106.4
BK. 107.3
CJ. 107.3

fox sports college basketball advanced analytics for defensive plus/minus (where higher is better)
CP. +3.6
RK. +2.8
CM. +2.5
LG. +2.0
JW. +2.0
JT. +2.0
BK. +0.5
CJ. +0.0
JB. -1.5

So here we see consensus using an orthogonal method of analysis

 

[KcTo]

OP Huh? Cordell played his best game in a long time and is tough as nails, but you lost me suggesting that he is a great defender. He would be devastating in an over 40 YMCA league, where the other guys also can't jump or move quickly, although many of them would be better shooters...

Maybe these analytics site will help you with defensive assessments?

Here a low rating is preferred, the 2nd is Defensive boxscore +/-, where high is best
LG. 97.4
JT. 100.3
JW. 101.3
CP. 101.9
RK. 102.4
CM. 103.2
JB. 106.4
BK. 107.3
CJ. 107.3

CP. +3.6
RK. +2.8
CM. +2.5
LG. +2.0
JW. +2.0
JT. +2.0
BK. +0.5
CJ. +0.0
JB. -1.5

So here we see consensus using an orthogonal method of analysis

 

[HeRKeYHoPeFuL]

Wow… Ash really needs more minutes.

AA: 88.0 defensive rating.

 

[thirdandpunting]

If you net offensive +/- with defensive... what happens? Just curious.

 

[KcTo]

1. In today's game, while you can win with one elite player, it's REALLY hard to do when that player is a big. Too easy for that player to get in foul trouble, injured, etc., and then the team has to re-invent their offense on the fly. That's much easier to do when your best player is a guard/forward.
2. Yes, we've seen that this team is capable of playing good defense. We've had several examples through big 10 play of games where we pulled away down the stretch because we went on runs in the last 5 minutes while allowing few or no points. Consistency has been the issue, and heck, sometimes, it's just the other team's night (purdue).
3. It depends on which version of Wieskamp we get. Aggressive, locked in Joe W, absolutely they can. On nights like sunday, where he gets frustrated and/or passive at times, then no I don't think Iowa could make a run. Maybe Sweet Sixteen if they get a good draw, but that's the ceiling to me if CJ remains out/limited and Joe W is ineffective. Joe's weakness as a player is that he's too unselfish at times. Luka is clearly the alpha of the team, but I'd really like to see Joe be more selfish then he is at times.



Imo, we don't have nearly enough of a sample of bulked-up Nunge at PF to know how good or not a defender he is. Losing him was huge from a depth standpoint if nothing else.

SoberTeacher (great name BTW)

You bring up good points
1. I’m not sure how “In today’s game” changes the calculus? It seems to me that Refs are ‘letting them play’ and that Garza is an exceptional offense player, he nearly 20% better at offense than the next closest, and has a streak of +20pt games that only 2-3 players in history claim. He’s elite like we’ve not seen before. So, a 30-40pt night is really only limited by how well we can optimize his FGA.

2. I’m sticking with my view that we are set to see the best run of team defense we’ve seen at Iowa in sometime More good defenders getting minutes, less poorer defenders getting minutes (did you see Garz, Kriener, pemsl, Weezy and Conmac all together in 2nd half...?)

3.weezy may need some breathers to catch his breath, maybe Fran can get him 2 short breathers/half?

 

[KcTo]

If you net offensive +/- with defensive... what happens? Just curious.

They are additive, -1 on offense and a +2 on defense = +1.

If you you exchange CJFs defensive value of 0.0 for pemsl +3.6. That is a net improvement in defense.
If you do same for offense +6.3 vs +0.4, you get a net decrease in offense.

The chemistry comes from Pemsl giving the surplus FGA to, and equal or better offensive player, for example Garza or JoeW, while collecting all the net improvement on defense.

as we saw vs MN, pemsl only attempts 3FGA( 3-3 so super effective) while Garza (and Kriener) increased his FGA, so you aren’t losing CJF’s offense, as long those 13 FGA go to Garza, Kriener and Weezy and on defensive side we saw Iowa play even on rebounding, with 7 block shots, and held their star center to well under his season averages.

good question

 

[DodgerHawki]

A. I see you conveniently omit Iowa’s best win and next best road win.

B. Let’s try to break down these to games so you can better understand
-tPSU. MAYBE Iowa 2nd best game of the year. Iowa goes on road to play a team now ranked #9 in the country, and comes away a 3pt loser, a far cry from the bum-rush road losses at IU and Purdue, yes?

-Iowa holds tPSU to 45% FG%, well that’s not bad, much better than IU, Purdue, yes?

-if Garza can just shoot 70% from the line, not 7-14, it’s a tie game,

-this is tPSU’s MOST contested home game of season, and versus one of the highest tempo teams in the league, (which means more possessions, more points in game).

-I can’t help but think playing defensive stopper pemsl more than 11min, a few more FT made by Garza, and that is Iowa’s best win of year.

So the CJF-less lineup certainly played Iowa’s best game on road versus the highest level team and nearly pulled put the win.

Neb.
-anytime Fran plays JoeTO 35m, allows him to attempt more FGA than POY Garza, allows the absolute worst offensive player 18 FGA, and you get beat, you have to ask Fran, WTH. WHat do you expect? (Recall JoeTO was benched for most 2h At MN in favor of pemsl)

-Nebraska was held tp 49% FG%, and whose offense output was augmented by 8 FT of last 12 pts,.

-again, we see a productive pemsl get only 9m, but goes 2-3, 3B, 1A, 1Blk, ,perhaps if pemsl plays 35m (or Kriener and pemsl 25) and JoeTO plays 9, this is a win?

in summary, we can see again how the bigs produce, but at NeB, it was JoeTO losing their game with 18FGA and 4TO.

I understand plenty. You are making an argument (for whatever reason) that Pemsl should be playing big minutes, and I guess even playing much more even when Frederick is healthy.

At Nebraska, under 4 minute TO, Iowa down 4, Fran puts Pemsl in the game. Pemsl makes 2 straight turnovers and it goes from a 65-61 deficit to 67-61.

At Penn State, no one is disputing that it was a great game or that it was a high possession game. But Iowa did not play great defense either at Nebraska or at Penn State. Iowa gave up 89 points in a 75 possession game. At Nebraska, 76 points in 70 possessions. Certainly not really terrible defense in either game, but not great either.

Iowa's next-best defensive games (adjusted for the opponent) aside from the Maryland game were the neutral site games against Texas Tech and Cincinnati. Enjoy the season, this team is fun to watch.

 

[KcTo]

I understand plenty. You are making an argument (for whatever reason) that Pemsl should be playing big minutes, and I guess even playing much more even when Frederick is healthy.

At Nebraska, under 4 minute TO, Iowa down 4, Fran puts Pemsl in the game. Pemsl makes 2 straight turnovers and it goes from a 65-61 deficit to 67-61.

At Penn State, no one is disputing that it was a great game or that it was a high possession game. But Iowa did not play great defense either at Nebraska or at Penn State. Iowa gave up 89 points in a 75 possession game. At Nebraska, 76 points in 70 possessions. Certainly not really terrible defense in either game, but not great either.

Iowa's next-best defensive games (adjusted for the opponent) aside from the Maryland game were the neutral site games against Texas Tech and Cincinnati. Enjoy the season, this team is fun to watch.

you make valid points, tPSU has freight trained everyone at home so playing them to 3pt loss and with Garza just 7-14 FTA-FT. Argggg.

and I agree with Pemsl’s boned headed 2 TOs, but if you look at his body of work, I think you’ll find he nets out much better than JoeTO (and better A to TO%) , who cost Iowa game by shooting way too much (18x, 4TO) and in my view, he is the one that cost that game, not pemsl 2 late TOs. (Or maybe a Fran allowing him to play 35m cost the game, as it’s really not JoeTO’s fault, as he is what he is, it’s Frans job to allocate playing time )

that said, I think we’ll see Defense like we’ve not seen before , and that comes every night.

 

[sober_teacher]

SoberTeacher (great name BTW)

You bring up good points
1. I’m not sure how “In today’s game” changes the calculus? It seems to me that Refs are ‘letting them play’ and that Garza is an exceptional offense player, he nearly 20% better at offense than the next closest, and has a streak of +20pt games that only 2-3 players in history claim. He’s elite like we’ve not seen before. So, a 30-40pt night is really only limited by how well we can optimize his FGA.

2. I’m sticking with my view that we are set to see the best run of team defense we’ve seen at Iowa in sometime More good defenders getting minutes, less poorer defenders getting minutes (did you see Garz, Kriener, pemsl, Weezy and Conmac all together in 2nd half...?)

3.weezy may need some breathers to catch his breath, maybe Fran can get him 2 short breathers/half?

1. What I'm arguing is that to win in the NCAAs, you have to have great guard play. I can't think of many Final Four or even Elite 8 teams in the last 20 years that did not have elite guards. An underrated part of Iowa's success this year is that our guards have been great at feeding the ball into the post. I would note however that in Garza's two best games, when he scored 44 and 38 points...we lost both games. As great as he's been, we need more scoring from the perimeter to win consistently.

2. We went with that Garza, Kriener, Pemsl, Joe W and Connor lineup because Minnesota is the worst perimeter team in the b10 and they never made us pay for it. Had they had better guard play, I don't know that we would have seen that at all, and I'm not sure how many minutes we saw that overall. It was just an ugly game and Fran put in his big uglies to clog up the paint.

3. Depending on how long CJ is out, we HAVE to have more production from Joe T, Bakari and Connor to help out Joe W.

 

[KcTo]

1. What I'm arguing is that to win in the NCAAs, you have to have great guard play. I can't think of many Final Four or even Elite 8 teams in the last 20 years that did not have elite guards. An underrated part of Iowa's success this year is that our guards have been great at feeding the ball into the post. I would note however that in Garza's two best games, when he scored 44 and 38 points...we lost both games. As great as he's been, we need more scoring from the perimeter to win consistently.

2. We went with that Garza, Kriener, Pemsl, Joe W and Connor lineup because Minnesota is the worst perimeter team in the b10 and they never made us pay for it. Had they had better guard play, I don't know that we would have seen that at all, and I'm not sure how many minutes we saw that overall. It was just an ugly game and Fran put in his big uglies to clog up the paint.

3. Depending on how long CJ is out, we HAVE to have more production from Joe T, Bakari and Connor to help out Joe W.

I would agree on all points adding
1. I would argue that more predictive of elite guards is poor defense, and without looking at the data would say that no team with a defensive efficiency in the >90 has made it into E8 or certainly FF, however the converse, elite defensive teams like Virginia can make it.
1B Iowa has plenty of scoring in Garza pls big games, but it was the degrees that gave up 96pts in those 2 games which was a greater predictor of defeat

2. I was amazed that Fran ran all those guys out at once and ran a big zone, interesting to see if he’ll do this again.

3. Don’t forget that additional production can also come from pemsl and Kreiner who did combine for 16pts, but the key guy is definitely Wieskamp, he has to be good Wieskamp ever night out.

 

[Gilligan222]

looking at the PSU game Toussaint had his best game
18 points, 4 assists and 2 steals he did have 3 TO's
Garza stats
34 points, 12 rebounds, 1 steal and 2 blocks
Weezy 23 points, 10 rebounds he did have 4 TO's

as a team they had 15 TO's

to even try to blame JT is a crime in itself. JT is the best defender on the team as him leading the team in steals proves that,

that game CJ got hurt, again. then they had to travel to Nebraska to play again 4 days later after a stretch where they flew to LV to Syracuse
to Michigan then to Ames then to PSU then back to Nebraska,

there a article written about how they traveled over 8,900+ miles. after awhile players do get wore out from all the travelling.

lets see some of you travel that many miles, crossing 3 time zones twice and see how you feel.

 

[Gilligan222]

I would agree on all points adding
1. I would argue that more predictive of elite guards is poor defense, and without looking at the data would say that no team with a defensive efficiency in the >90 has made it into E8 or certainly FF, however the converse, elite defensive teams like Virginia can make it.
1B Iowa has plenty of scoring in Garza pls big games, but it was the degrees that gave up 96pts in those 2 games which was a greater predictor of defeat

2. I was amazed that Fran ran all those guys out at once and ran a big zone, interesting to see if he’ll do this again.

3. Don’t forget that additional production can also come from pemsl and Kreiner who did combine for 16pts, but the key guy is definitely Wieskamp, he has to be good Wieskamp ever night out.

you don't suppose being down 3 starters has anything to do with it this year,

Jordan has played hurt the last 2 seasons
1st with a foot injury hhmmm you don't suppose that had anything to do with his althletic and quickness do you?
Pemsl had knee surgery twice and dealt with a back injury early in the season, again don't you think that hampered Pemsl the last 3 years?

Weezy had a extended elbow injury to limited his play and shooting

CJ dealt with a foot injury that required him to wear a walking boot,

you don't suppose all these injuries had something to do with they have played this season?

 

[KcTo]

looking at the PSU game Toussaint had his best game
18 points, 4 assists and 2 steals he did have 3 TO's
Garza stats
34 points, 12 rebounds, 1 steal and 2 blocks
Weezy 23 points, 10 rebounds he did have 4 TO's

as a team they had 15 TO's

to even try to blame JT is a crime in itself. JT is the best defender on the team as him leading the team in steals proves that,

that game CJ got hurt, again. then they had to travel to Nebraska to play again 4 days later after a stretch where they flew to LV to Syracuse
to Michigan then to Ames then to PSU then back to Nebraska,

there a article written about how they traveled over 8,900+ miles. after awhile players do get wore out from all the travelling.

lets see some of you travel that many miles, crossing 3 time zones twice and see how you feel.

A. The JoeTO blame game was versus Nebraska not tPSU, so please make the JoeTO argument there

B. I travel 2x/month to the west coast, as well as MT and ET, and have arrived to many times after 1am, and had obligations begin promptly at 630am, so, yes I know that feeling well, and you learn to deal with it.

C. JoeTO is not the best defender on the team, by any metric. And as Iowa was rallying back vs IU, you’re best defender on team, 2x in 2m left his guy wide open at the top of the key, anf he converted 2 treys, Fran called him out on the post game presser as an example of bad defense, not good, and sat him, while Iowa played well in last quarter of the game, all with out JoeTO. Most defensive mistakes are made from ‘the neck up ‘ and him making the SAME mistake 2x in 2m is a clear example of poor defense.

 

[Hawk-Fran1]

A theory that starts off assuming CJ is our weakest defender does not need to be examined any further.

If CJ is our weakest defender why does he guard every single Teams best scorer guard or wing....agree does not need to be addressed or examined further. Didnt Fran say hes our best wing defender?

 

[KcTo]

you don't suppose being down 3 starters has anything to do with it this year,

Jordan has played hurt the last 2 seasons
1st with a foot injury hhmmm you don't suppose that had anything to do with his althletic and quickness do you?
Pemsl had knee surgery twice and dealt with a back injury early in the season, again don't you think that hampered Pemsl the last 3 years?

Weezy had a extended elbow injury to limited his play and shooting

CJ dealt with a foot injury that required him to wear a walking boot,

you don't suppose all these injuries had something to do with they have played this season?

If you’re trying to say the reason Iowa plays poor defense is because of injuries. Really?

what was the excuse last year when they had 11 healthy players?

 

[Gilligan222]

If you’re trying to say the reason Iowa plays poor defense is because of injuries. Really?

what was the excuse last year when they had 11 healthy players?

they improved from 242nd the year before to 111th for a 131 spot improvement, youth plays a role in the quality of defense as well has injuries,
JR JB played on a bad hip
JR Moss played matador defense
JR Cook played matador defense
FR Wieskamp 31 steals
FR Connor who had 23 steals.
SO Garza was a SO and played while recovering from that surgery where they removed a 9 lb cyst.
SO Nunge was RS'ing
FR CJ was RS'ing
JR Pemsl was RS'ing

these were you players on last years team that were able to play off the bench
JR Dailey who transferred and played during mop up time
JR Kriener
SR Baer
Walk on FR Ash
Walk on SO Till
Walk on JR Hobbs
Walk on FR Michael Baer

there is your healthy players that played, funny that I don't see and 5* 1 n done players in that group and don't see any top 40 players either,

which you seem to be implying that these player are supposed to play at that level.

 

[Gilligan222]

the talent is improving these are the 4* players by ESPN.
FR PG Toussaint just outside their top 100
SO WG Weezy top 100 #42 by Rivals
SO WG Connor top 100 outside Rivals top 100
JR C Garza top 100 outside Rivals top 100
FR F Patrick top 100 by both
SR G Jordan just out side ESPN's top 100 4* outside Rival top 150

out of those 6 4 are able to play and the oldest is just a JR.
making the starting lineup look like
FR Toussaint
FR Fredrick [when healthy Kentucky Gatorade POY]
SO Weezy
SO Connor
JR Garza
off the bench for most of the season
JR Pemsl Grade 77 3*
SR Kriener NR
the rest are walk on's that I listed

again not one of these are 1 n done level players but are 4 year players that get better with each year.

injuries keep players from practicing as a unit. yes players still need to practice together to gain a chemistry,
Connor has bounced between the 1 then the 4 and now at the 2.

when any team goes thru that many line up changes thru out the season, something has to give and now its the defensive chemistry of the team.'

Kriener doesn't know if he is going to start or come off the bench, is he going to back Garza at the 5 or is he going to start at the 4.

so you tell me just what do you expect out of this team which is injury riddled and not knowing if they will 7 healthy scholarship players or 6 and where they are going to play night in and night out.

please expand on your expert knowledge of coaching in situation like this team is going thru.

 

[KcTo]

the talent is improving these are the 4* players by ESPN.
FR PG Toussaint just outside their top 100
SO WG Weezy top 100 #42 by Rivals
SO WG Connor top 100 outside Rivals top 100
JR C Garza top 100 outside Rivals top 100
FR F Patrick top 100 by both
SR G Jordan just out side ESPN's top 100 4* outside Rival top 150

out of those 6 4 are able to play and the oldest is just a JR.
making the starting lineup look like
FR Toussaint
FR Fredrick [when healthy Kentucky Gatorade POY]
SO Weezy
SO Connor
JR Garza
off the bench for most of the season
JR Pemsl Grade 77 3*
SR Kriener NR
the rest are walk on's that I listed

again not one of these are 1 n done level players but are 4 year players that get better with each year.

injuries keep players from practicing as a unit. yes players still need to practice together to gain a chemistry,
Connor has bounced between the 1 then the 4 and now at the 2.

when any team goes thru that many line up changes thru out the season, something has to give and now its the defensive chemistry of the team.'

Kriener doesn't know if he is going to start or come off the bench, is he going to back Garza at the 5 or is he going to start at the 4.

so you tell me just what do you expect out of this team which is injury riddled and not knowing if they will 7 healthy scholarship players or 6 and where they are going to play night in and night out.

please expand on your expert knowledge of coaching in situation like this team is going thru.

a. Again, I love Fran, he’s Made Iowa Great Again, and I like all of his players, great kids, all deserving of scholarship.

B. Having had to ‘cut’ really great kids and have personal conversations with their parents, some whom I’ve known for years, is really hard. You must be brutally honest, respect the kids and be very specific about their short comings, using some data is even better. So when I make observations here I do not disrespect the player, only his skills sets/performance. I try to offer the same respect to the posters, (although they do try my patience when they lead with insult)

C. Expectations. I fully expect this team to exceed expectations and to do so when utilizing the big lineup, as you know, I see as offering a much higher level of defense, with little reduction in offense

D. Short bench. Many college teams employ a 7 man rotation, although they have additional players if need be, a coach can use a 7 man rotation and especially with us of TV timeouts keep his players relatively fresh. It’s not like the old days where games are televised.

I’m actually very encouraged about the rest of the season

Thank you for asking

 

[Gilligan222]

a. Again, I love Fran, he’s Made Iowa Great Again, and I like all of his players, great kids, all deserving of scholarship.

B. Having had to ‘cut’ really great kids and have personal conversations with their parents, some whom I’ve known for years, is really hard. You must be brutally honest, respect the kids and be very specific about their short comings, using some data is even better. So when I make observations here I do not disrespect the player, only his skills sets/performance. I try to offer the same respect to the posters, (although they do try my patience when they lead with insult)

C. Expectations. I fully expect this team to exceed expectations and to do so when utilizing the big lineup, as you know, I see as offering a much higher level of defense, with little reduction in offense

D. Short bench. Many college teams employ a 7 man rotation, although they have additional players if need be, a coach can use a 7 man rotation and especially with us of TV timeouts keep his players relatively fresh. It’s not like the old days where games are televised.

I’m actually very encouraged about the rest of the season

Thank you for asking

you are trying to judge how FR and SO are playing vs past JR and SR's.

these are still underclassmen not upperclassmen like you are trying to judge.

next season these will be the SR's
Garza
Jordan will be back fully healthy argualby the best player
Pemsl
JR's
Weezy
Connor
SO's
Fredrick 100% to start the season
Toussaint
FR
Patrick hopefully healthy
Ulis
Perkins
Kris Murray
Keegan Murray
Ogundele
the last 5 main forte is defense with a very good offensive game,

the best thing is they won't be needed to play.
Nunge as a FR was 2nd on the team in blocks with 25
2.8 rpg
5th on the team in scoring as a starter in 15.7 mpg
3rd on the team in steals with 21 total @ 7'0

this is what is missing from this years team, blocked shots and steals plus the ability to shoot the 3.

its not rocket science to figure out sometimes your metrics don't add up to 2 + 2 = 4. its far more complicated than that when dealing with 19-20 year olds.

 

[DelmonteGriffith]

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[KcTo]

Care to change your statement after reviewing these 2 analytics sites that evaluate NBA players?

Reference where low rating is preferred, the 2nd is Defensive boxscore +/-, where high is best
LG. 97.4
JT. 100.3
JW. 101.3
CP. 101.9
RK. 102.4
CM. 103.2
JB. 106.4
BK. 107.3
CJ. 107.3

fox sports college basketball advanced analytics for defensive plus/minus (where higher is better)
CP. +3.6
RK. +2.8
CM. +2.5
LG. +2.0
JW. +2.0
JT. +2.0
BK. +0.5
CJ. +0.0
JB. -1.5

So here we see consensus using an orthogonal method of analysis

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Well, more truth to “it takes one to know one”

Is this one of the idiotic posts you refer too, the one that predicts the MN win with defense...?

Starting Kriener will bolster the Iowa Defense.

1. A lineup featuring 2 Bigs, versus 4 Guards, will be much better at rebounding, (15 Offensive boards allowed at IU),
2. Will offer greater 2 PT FG% defense, (Kriener blocks shots and alters shots, gathers defensive rebounds that won’t turn into easy 2nd Chance putbacks)
3. will be played the entire game with Pemsl providing back up minutes for both (no Riley Til and we saw how he was un mercilessly abused at IU).

Iowa could very well win this game if Fran employs this strategy for 40m

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[RocknRollface]

If CJ is our weakest defender why does he guard every single Teams best scorer guard or wing....agree does not need to be addressed or examined further. Didnt Fran say hes our best wing defender?

Yes Fran said that, because its obvious. Atleast that hes a good on ball defender.

Tousaint might be a little better but CJ is pretty good.

 

[RocknRollface]

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Its perfect.

This guy starts a totally out there thread that hes willing to vehemently defend and then out of nowhere Herby shows up and just swallows him up into the insanity.

Just skimming it over and I can see Herby already got the star rankings going. Hilarious.

 

[KcTo]

Yes Fran said that, because its obvious. Atleast that hes a good on ball defender.

Tousaint might be a little better but CJ is pretty good.

What is Fran suppose to say? Fran “ well he rates out poorly on “blow by lane penetration, doesn’t rebound, block shots, or defend the 3 on the perimeter...” But we put him on their best wing player because we start 2 point guards and a poor defending 2 guard....?”

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Maybe these analytics site will help you with defensive assessments?

Here a low rating is preferred, the 2nd is Defensive boxscore +/-, where high is best
LG. 97.4
JT. 100.3
JW. 101.3
CP. 101.9
RK. 102.4
CM. 103.2
JB. 106.4
BK. 107.3
CJ. 107.3

CP. +3.6
RK. +2.8
CM. +2.5
LG. +2.0
JW. +2.0
JT. +2.0
BK. +0.5
CJ. +0.0
JB. -1.5

So here we see consensus using an orthogonal method of analysis

Interesting stats, but sometimes stats don't tell the whole truth, especially when a player (Pemsl) plays so few minutes in games, frequently against the other team's back up and usually not their best player. My eyes, which are getting old but have watched basketball for a LONG time, tell me that Cordell can defend pretty well within 5 ft of the basket, as long as he can camp out, wait, and the opponent doesn't just jump over him. He can establish and maintain position as well as almost anyone. Otherwise (in space), he is the worst defender among those who get playing time. It isn't lack of effort and I'm not criticizing him. Injuries have robbed him of his athleticism, but he still has a court presence, which is helpful for short bursts. That is why he is a better option than Riley Till, who has more athleticism, but very little court presence. He rushes and panics, while Cordell keeps his cool and does what he is capable of doing. Without Cordell, we do NOT win the Minny game.

 

[KcTo]

Its perfect.

This guy starts a totally out there thread that hes willing to vehemently defend and then out of nowhere Herby shows up and just swallows him up into the insanity.

Just skimming it over and I can see Herby already got the star rankings going. Hilarious.

Interesting stats, but sometimes stats don't tell the whole truth, especially when a player (Pemsl) plays so few minutes in games, frequently against the other team's back up and usually not their best player. My eyes, which are getting old but have watched basketball for a LONG time, tell me that Cordell can defend pretty well within 5 ft of the basket, as long as he can camp out, wait, and the opponent doesn't just jump over him. He can establish and maintain position as well as almost anyone. Otherwise (in space), he is the worst defender among those who get playing time. It isn't lack of effort and I'm not criticizing him. Injuries have robbed him of his athleticism, but he still has a court presence, which is helpful for short bursts. That is why he is a better option than Riley Till, who has more athleticism, but very little court presence. He rushes and panics, while Cordell keeps his cool and does what he is capable of doing. Without Cordell, we do NOT win the Minny game.

i too was surprised, and then I’m started watching his play, especially on replay, and you see the overall play, Pemsl is getting the 9.0 R/Gm /40m (Garza at 12.0) and also Def Reb%, Garza at 22%, Pemsl @18%, so we see that he’s in the vicinity of Garza’s POY production.

He’s also brings an attitude to the game, an attitude of an enforcer, An not afraid to give the ‘hard fouls or bring a ‘chippiness’ to the game.

granted, he may be exposed by quicker players in space, but when it comes to toughness rebounds and defending the rim we see pemsl bring those results.

 

[HawkRugged17]

i too was surprised, and then I’m started watching his play, especially on replay, and you see the overall play, Pemsl is getting the 9.0 R/Gm /40m (Garza at 12.0) and also Def Reb%, Garza at 22%, Pemsl @18%, so we see that he’s in the vicinity of Garza’s POY production.

He’s also brings an attitude to the game, an attitude of an enforcer, An not afraid to give the ‘hard fouls or bring a ‘chippiness’ to the game.

granted, he may be exposed by quicker players in space, but when it comes to toughness rebounds and defending the rim we see pemsl bring those results.

Defending the rim? O Good Lord. Sample size ...

 

[FranklinHawk]

Its perfect.

This guy starts a totally out there thread that hes willing to vehemently defend and then out of nowhere Herby shows up and just swallows him up into the insanity.

Just skimming it over and I can see Herby already got the star rankings going. Hilarious.

It's only a matter of time before the capitalized words start flying and then the name calling, and then time for yet another user name. It's like clockwork.

 

[RocknRollface]

It's only a matter of time before the capitalized words start flying and then the name calling, and then time for yet another user name. It's like clockwork.

Only Herby really likes the Hawks, everyone else secretly hates them.

 

[KcTo]

Defending the rim? O Good Lord. Sample size ...

Since you reference sample size,
Can you Tell us what constitutes small sample size vs. statistically significant sample size?

 

[RocknRollface]

i too was surprised, and then I’m started watching his play, especially on replay, and you see the overall play, Pemsl is getting the 9.0 R/Gm /40m (Garza at 12.0) and also Def Reb%, Garza at 22%, Pemsl @18%, so we see that he’s in the vicinity of Garza’s POY production.

He’s also brings an attitude to the game, an attitude of an enforcer, An not afraid to give the ‘hard fouls or bring a ‘chippiness’ to the game.

granted, he may be exposed by quicker players in space, but when it comes to toughness rebounds and defending the rim we see pemsl bring those results.

My disagreement isn't that CP and Kriener cant increase Iowas defenseive effectiveness in certain ways, especially rebounding. Definitely a much better rebounding team with two bigs. And RK is the best overall defender of the bigs.

My disagreement is with calling CJ a poor defender based on metrics when Iowa plays a zone defense.

He moves his feet and stays in front of the ballhandler most of the time, to compare him to Bohannon is ludicrous. If guys hit shots in his face in a zone D theres not much he can do about it.