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Can someone explain why childless, single working women is a bad thing?

What are the exclusions?

For 99% of the population, you can give more than the annual gift exclusion and nobody pays a dime of tax.

The only thing the donor needs to do is file a gift tax return which is very easy and doesn’t cost much. At least I don’t charge much.
 
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Their whole argument is missing logic. There's a bunch of perceived slights toward families with children that have no basis in reality just hypotheticals.
 
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It is totally accurate but we will agree to disagree. And yes, you are incredibly confused. SS benefits ARE also currently taxed at certain income levels. Another stupid proposal that is floating around is to eliminate taxes on them.

Wrong again.
SS is not taxed in many states. Some states have no income tax at all.

The point remains that not all income is taxed. It wouldn't be some extreme outlier to eliminate tax on tips.
 
For 99% of the population, you can give more than the annual gift exclusion and nobody pays a dime of tax.

The only thing the donor needs to do is file a gift tax return which is very easy and doesn’t cost much. At least I don’t charge much.
Yes, but it comes out of the federal estate exemption at a later date.
 
For 99% of the population, you can give more than the annual gift exclusion and nobody pays a dime of tax.

The only thing the donor needs to do is file a gift tax return which is very easy and doesn’t cost much. At least I don’t charge much.
From ChatGPT:

Progressive Tax Rates: Any gift amounts exceeding the annual exclusion and lifetime exemption are subject to gift tax at rates that range from 18% to 40%, depending on the size of the gift and cumulative gifts over the lifetime.
 
To each their own, who cares? The part that raises eyebrows is that nearly 70% of the people you describe vote Democrat and over half of those women are clinically diagnosed with a mental health issue. THAT is a MAJOR problem and points to something not being healthy or good about the lifestyle in general.
 
Wow, this thread went off the rails. My partner and I decided that neither of us want to have kids, so we're not having them. If that bothers you, then you can GFY. See Tim Walz' golden rule: "Mind your own damn business". We both have good paying jobs, but still have to watch our spending. I can't imagine trying to support a family with a household income under 100k (In 2024, the median annual household income is estimated to be $78,171).

@Hoosierhawkeye what's worse for society, someone that chooses not to have kids or someone that shits out 8 kids they can't afford and lives off the government teet?
 
Wow, this thread went off the rails. My partner and I decided that neither of us want to have kids, so we're not having them. If that bothers you, then you can GFY. See Tim Walz' golden rule: "Mind your own damn business". We both have good paying jobs, but still have to watch our spending. I can't imagine trying to support a family with a household income under 100k (In 2024, the median annual household income is estimated to be $78,171).

@Hoosierhawkeye what's worse for society, someone that chooses not to have kids or someone that shits out 8 kids they can't afford and lives off the government teet?
All I see here is you saying you're selfish. How dare you and your partner decide what's best for you and do exactly that?! You're supposed to think of whats best for AMERICA and then do that instead.
 
SS is not taxed in many states. Some states have no income tax at all.

The point remains that not all income is taxed. It wouldn't be some extreme outlier to eliminate tax on tips.
We are talking about Federal taxes silly, but you knew that already and yes, it would be an outlier.

No reason in the world why the guy making $20/hr pays more in taxes than the guy getting paid a wage of $15/hr and getting another $15/hr in tips for a total of $30/hr. Dumb, Dumb. Dumb.
 
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It's both and. . . I have said many times we need to pass things like paid family leave, child tax credit increases and daycare assistance increases. Those are the first and most obvious steps.

You say it’s obvious.

We have a vice presidential candidate calling women who don’t have kids sociopaths.
 
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We are talking about Federal taxes silly, but you knew that already and yes, it would be an outlier.

No reason in the world why the guy making $20/hr pays more in taxes than the guy getting paid a wage of $15/hr and getting another $15/hr in tips for a total of $30/hr. Dumb, Dumb. Dumb.
I've been talking about the regulation of taxes and the ability to exclude some income. You've been trying to say that all income is taxed and that's simply incorrect. I've given you many examples. Whether tips should continue to be taxed or be tax free for some workers is still in question, in my mind. But the rationale that they have to be taxed because all income is taxed is nonsense.

As for the differentiation in earnings, those are generally different jobs and often expects the cash tips will be non-taxed. Your own logic suggests the tip earner at $30/hr total is paying less in taxes as it stands now.
 
There will never be a time that half of the US population just decides to stop paying taxes. Making up an impossible fictional scenario doesn't help you prove any sort of point whatsoever.

I don't think people need to have kids, because what if a gigantic asteroid hits the earth and destroys it? Then nothing matters. So therefore, people don't need to have kids.

See how silly that is?
Well almost half of us don’t pay taxes right now.
 
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I've been talking about the regulation of taxes and the ability to exclude some income. You've been trying to say that all income is taxed and that's simply incorrect. I've given you many examples. Whether tips should continue to be taxed or be tax free for some workers is still in question, in my mind. But the rationale that they have to be taxed because all income is taxed is nonsense.
Ok.
 
Oh I understand it very well. Gains that are made under the original owner are never recognized from a tax perspective because of the step up in basis to the person who inherits it. Those assets are a transfer of property or wealth from one generation to the next. It is not considered income.
Which. Is. Why. We. Have. The. Inheritance. Tax.

Absent the step up in basis - which is how it worked for the first few years - the estate would owe taxes on the entire appreciation from the time of purchase. The heir could then be assessed a capital gains tax upon sale ALSO based on the full appreciation of the asset - it was treated as income.

It was the wealthy who called for the stepped-up basis because the record-keeping on their assets to track appreciation was odious. A flat tax at transfer was simpler. But it exists to capture the taxes an heir WOULD pay if they sold an inherited asset...or you could say it's to collect the taxes on the asset the deceased would have paid if they sold it...so still a tax on "income".
 
You say it’s obvious.

We have a vice presidential candidate calling women who don’t have kids sociopaths.

In all fairness, most of those clips are from 3 years ago, I think.

They're being drummed up now because of the election.
 
The irony of a bunch of men telling women they should have more babies to protect our “culture” should not be lost here.
I think there have also been some mothers telling childless women that having/raising kids can be a rewarding experience.
 
I don't think it helps or does any good to attack people for being childless. However our birthrate is below replacement rate right now. Things are not going to be good for the elderly if there is no one there to support them. It's not going to be good for our economy if we don't have enough workers to fill jobs.

However I would argue the better way to encourage people to have children is instead of calling them names provide more generous subsidies towards the raising of children. A bigger child tax credit would be a good start. I would also name daycare assistance being more available.
Always thought they should give tax credits to the elderly whose now adult children are tax paying citizens and have never required government assistance. Nothing wrong if someone does need government aid at some point in their life. But this could be a reward to those parents who raised productive members of society.
 
If they are legal and on a regular payroll, then yes they do.
Unfortunately there are many day labor workers who get cash and are off the books.
Many larger cities have areas where contractors know these folks gather and wait for a contractor to pull up and just say what they need in a few words of Spanish and those who know the work (roofers are big on this) will just jump in the back of the truck.
Does anyone know where this area might be in and around Pueblo, CO?
 
Always thought they should give tax credits to the elderly whose now adult children are tax paying citizens and have never required government assistance. Nothing wrong if someone does need government aid at some point in their life. But this could be a reward to those parents who raised productive members of society.

Sounds like a way to make the rich richer. The people who's children are most likely to NEVER need government assistance are people who are wealthy who have the best connections and can afford to pay for everything their children need if their children fall back on them.

Besides a productive member of society is someone who works period. We need McDonald's employees too as much as everyone talks about it being a "job for high schoolers" they fail to explain to me who's going to serve food at lunchtime on a weekday during the fall, winter and spring.
 
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My wife and I didn't have any kids. Did one round of IVF that failed and then asked ourselves what we were doing. We already believed there were too many people on the planet and too many kids without homes already. We decided to adopt a boy and a girl. We didn't do it out of a sense of civic duty. We did it because we wanted a family. Not everyone wants kids and I totally understand that. My wife wants a golden retriever puppy but we'll be getting a rescue, just like we always have.

Why can't people like you just accept and respect the fact that a lot of people don't want children for various reasons and don't see bringing more people into the world as a positive thing but still desire to have a positive impact on the world and those around them? Why are those things mutually exclusive and if they are not, why cast them as bad people?

I'm not saying you can't make a positive impact on the world without kids. I'm saying our birthrate is below replacement rate and that should be a concern for everyone.
 
I don't think it helps or does any good to attack people for being childless. However our birthrate is below replacement rate right now. Things are not going to be good for the elderly if there is no one there to support them. It's not going to be good for our economy if we don't have enough workers to fill jobs.

However I would argue the better way to encourage people to have children is instead of calling them names provide more generous subsidies towards the raising of children. A bigger child tax credit would be a good start. I would also name daycare assistance being more available.
Our birthrate has been below replacement rate for at least the last 40 years. However, a steady inflow of immigrants has made up the difference so we've had a slightly growing population until the last decade or so where it has leveled off. Immigration is the main reason we have not suffered many of the issue that Germany and especially Japan are having with an aging population. It's a big part of the reason why I just don't understand why so many people want to stop all immigration.
 
I don't see how individualism is discouraging childbearing. Can you give me an example in real life because from my point of view having children is more celebrated now than anytime in history. Heck we now have elaborate gender reveal parties along with the customary baby showers. Everyone posts their staged child's first day of school pictures on Facebook along with the "mandatory" black or white board with the kid's age, grade, favorites, and what they want to be when they grow up.

Are those celebrations or just people posting pictures.

I never understood gender reveal parties myself. With our kids we found out the sex at the doctor's office then just called our respective parents and told them the sex and had them pass it on to the extended family.

Having a kid might be a short celebration but actually raising kids is a different matter. People look down on big families. People get mad if they are in a restaurant near a kid who is acting like a kid by being loud or crying. They get mad if they are on a plane with a kid who's acting like a kid by being loud or crying. Child-free weddings are now the norm. I've missed several weddings because they were child free weddings and I refuse to attend a wedding where my kids can't be there.
 
I'm not saying you can't make a positive impact on the world without kids. I'm saying our birthrate is below replacement rate and that should be a concern for everyone.
Yeah sorry dude. I’ve got quite a few things to worry about in life, and the birth rate being below replacement is pretty damn low on that list.


I know I know, super selfish of me.
 
Are those celebrations or just people posting pictures.

I never understood gender reveal parties myself. With our kids we found out the sex at the doctor's office then just called our respective parents and told them the sex and had them pass it on to the extended family.

Having a kid might be a short celebration but actually raising kids is a different matter. People look down on big families. People get mad if they are in a restaurant near a kid who is acting like a kid by being loud or crying. They get mad if they are on a plane with a kid who's acting like a kid by being loud or crying. Child-free weddings are now the norm. I've missed several weddings because they were child free weddings and I refuse to attend a wedding where my kids can't be there.
Gender reveal parties are a big thing. They are also posting pictures of them. I'm neither for or against those parties. People should be able to celebrate whatever they want to celebrate.

As far as restaurants I don't think anyone wants to sit next to a group that is being loud and obnoxious regardless of whether it's adults or children. I haven't attended any child free weddings, but the wedding party has the right to plan the kind of celebration they want and the guests have the right to choose whether or not to attend.

I still contend that children and families are celebrated in American culture as they should be.
 
Gender reveal parties are a big thing. They are also posting pictures of them. I'm neither for or against those parties. People should be able to celebrate whatever they want to celebrate.

As far as restaurants I don't think anyone wants to sit next to a group that is being loud and obnoxious regardless of whether it's adults or children. I haven't attended any child free weddings, but the wedding party has the right to plan the kind of celebration they want and the guests have the right to choose whether or not to attend.

I still contend that children and families are celebrated in American culture as they should be.

With people being loud, if it's adults I agree. They should know better. If it's a kid. . . no. Deal with it. Adults arn't the only people in this world.

Wedding party has a right to plan the celebration they want. I also have the right to not go. Regardless most weddings are child-free these days and my wife and I both find it odd because it never even crossed our mind to ban children from the wedding. Her cousin's daughter was in our wedding.

It's only celebrated at the very beginning. Then the message is clearly "stay away". Since we've had kids 11 years ago half the weddings we were invited to we didn't attend because they didn't want children there and that was our only reason for not attending.
 
Our birthrate has been below replacement rate for at least the last 40 years. However, a steady inflow of immigrants has made up the difference so we've had a slightly growing population until the last decade or so where it has leveled off. Immigration is the main reason we have not suffered many of the issue that Germany and especially Japan are having with an aging population. It's a big part of the reason why I just don't understand why so many people want to stop all immigration.
The population has continued to grow yearly from 2000 (282,162,411) to 2022 (333,287,557) while birth rate has declined from 14.7 to 10.9 per 1000 people. It clearly demonstrates that increasing the birth rate is not the only way to increase the population.

I think the objection to immigration growth has much more to do with who is increasing the population than population growth alone.
 
Are those celebrations or just people posting pictures.

I never understood gender reveal parties myself. With our kids we found out the sex at the doctor's office then just called our respective parents and told them the sex and had them pass it on to the extended family.

Having a kid might be a short celebration but actually raising kids is a different matter. People look down on big families. People get mad if they are in a restaurant near a kid who is acting like a kid by being loud or crying. They get mad if they are on a plane with a kid who's acting like a kid by being loud or crying. Child-free weddings are now the norm. I've missed several weddings because they were child free weddings and I refuse to attend a wedding where my kids can't be there.
You are a very narrow minded and sheltered person.
 
With people being loud, if it's adults I agree. They should know better. If it's a kid. . . no. Deal with it. Adults arn't the only people in this world.

Wedding party has a right to plan the celebration they want. I also have the right to not go. Regardless most weddings are child-free these days and my wife and I both find it odd because it never even crossed our mind to ban children from the wedding. Her cousin's daughter was in our wedding.

It's only celebrated at the very beginning. Then the message is clearly "stay away".
If a child is just being a kid, I agree. However, if they are having a temper tantrum and making a scene an adult should remove them from the restaurant until the child is able to control themselves. It's better for the child and the other customers for them to not become the center of attention of the entire establishment.
 
With people being loud, if it's adults I agree. They should know better. If it's a kid. . . no. Deal with it. Adults arn't the only people in this world.

Wedding party has a right to plan the celebration they want. I also have the right to not go. Regardless most weddings are child-free these days and my wife and I both find it odd because it never even crossed our mind to ban children from the wedding. Her cousin's daughter was in our wedding.

It's only celebrated at the very beginning. Then the message is clearly "stay away". Since we've had kids 11 years ago half the weddings we were invited to we didn't attend because they didn't want children there and that was our only reason for not attending.
If your kid is being loud and bothering others YOU need to deal with it. That's how children learn to behave in public places.

My guess is no one was disappointed that you didn't come to their wedding given the sense of entitlement you exude.
 
If your kid is being loud and bothering others YOU need to deal with it. That's how children learn to behave in public places.

My guess is no one was disappointed that you didn't come to their wedding given the sense of entitlement you exude.

Not all kids can just learn to be quiet. Some are too young, others have disabilities.

I agree that it should be taught as best as possible.

My neurotypical daughter is very quiet in public. My oldest doesn't know a volume that isn't slightly below yelling. You tell him to be quiet, he says ok and forgets in 2 minutes, doesn't matter how much I punish him. He can be totally silent if necessary but he's unable to talk in a normal tone of voice.
 
Not all kids can just learn to be quiet. Some are too young, others have disabilities.

I agree that it should be taught as best as possible.

My neurotypical daughter is very quiet in public. My oldest doesn't know a volume that isn't slightly below yelling.
When he does that, take him outside.

You continue to come off as a very entitled person who expects everyone else to acquiesce to your views and manage your challenges. Get over yourself.
 
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