Capitalists feed you, pay you, and care for you
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You know what I haven't had in a while? Big League Chew.
- 'Capitalists' don't provide clean water for me from my faucets; municipal facilities and federal laws do that.
- 'Capitalists' didn't build the Eisenhower Interstate System that I drive on all the time; federal initiatives did that.
- 'Capitalists' didn't create the National Parks all over the country; federal initiatives and grassroots activitism did that.
But what things HAS 'capitalism' done that aren't so 'awesome' as the OP wants to claim?
- Capitalists 'created' massive areas of mining pollution all over the West that others have to clean up.
- Capitalists 'overfished' the North Atlantic cod stocks to extinction, destroying the industry entirely.
- Capitalsts cheated on VW engine emissions, so that the cars emitted 10x to 40x the legal limits, letting the rest of us breathe the fumes while they took extra profits.
"Capitalism" is great as an economic driver, but to claim it 'does everything for you' is utter nonsense (and demonstrates a level of almost incomprehensible ignorance).
Without other socioeconomic elements to balance it out or maintain some framework of regulatory restrictions, 'captialism' ends up destroying more than they creates, by virtue of 'creating' for very few and destroying for the rest.
Now you can list what capitalists have done. That list will take a year. I'd get started soon.
No. You are confused. No 'capitalist' entity was willing nor able to build that freeway system.
The government USED private entities to perform the work, but the money came from government bonds, etc., not taxes.
Had our federal government NOT built that system, we would have major roadways in large cities only, probably mostly funded via private-enterprise tolls. And there would be very few major arteries in 'flyover' country.
If you disagree, name the 'capitalists' who conceived of and supported financially the building of the Eisenhower freeway system, National Parks, or municipal water supplies.
Again, you're misunderstanding the point. NONE of those 'capitalists' initiated nor fronted the money for any of the things I'd listed. NONE were an example of 'private enterprise' at work.
FWIW, neither was the space program.
I'm pretty sure that by saying "the government wrote the check" that I understand the concept of government initiating and paying for these programs. I also understand that private enterprise would be unlikely to build such things, as there would be little profit incentive to do so. That said, government would have little chance of succeeding in building such things without the investment of capitalists in factories that built all of the motorized equipment, mined and produced all of the needed materials, and contractors that purchased said equipment and materials, as well as hired the labor, needed to execute the task.The government was merely the customer.
LOL..."the customer" is EVERYTHING in capitalism. Nothing gets sold without "the customer". Nobody makes a dime without "the customer". Merely?
I have not argued that. I have simply stated that 'capitalism' is not the solution to everything, and it not responsible for all of the societal benefits you have. Government has a substantial role in creating the appropriate environment for capitalism to function accordingly. Without governments and regulations, you would not have clean water or sewer systems.
Without the US government and DARPA, we would not even have the Internet - capitalists DID NOT create it, nor did they develop the concept. Government did.
Capitalism has both benefited greatly from the internet, and has greatly benefitted the internet; it has built upon the platform and developed things no government would have ever conceived of. It absolutely breeds innovation; but it really sucks at most projects with very long-term ROI, or very early stage science/R&D.
Your local water plant gives you water, neither capitalist (there is no profit) of socialist (it's not forced on you nor rationed)
Capitalists did build the highways - they are independent contractors that took government money to their business
God made those parks. The government just put up signs and trash cans
Your next list
Look at Eastern Europe under the socialists, China today
People didn't starve
Only capitalists cheat? hmm
Try harder, because what you're posting makes no sense.
'Capitalists' did not set up the Eisenhower Freeway System. Period. Just because they were contracted to do the work, doesn't credit them the initiative for getting it done. That was the federal government.
My 'local water plant' just arose magically from the Earth, huh?
Wow. The stupid is strong here....
I don't think it's all stupidity. They just have a hell of a time giving credit to the public sector and can't quit giving all the credit to the private sector.
Actually, in today's world, the government may originate the idea, but it is private enterprise that designs it and builds it. In fact, the government is usually behind the times now, they follow business, not the other way around.
Ok so capitalism does 95% of everything that matters to most people. Also, lots of people have private water supplies. And the government is also a huge polluter itself.
Is it a cookie made by private enterprise. I don't dig the government types.
See, they even made them fat. Just say no to grain and sugar. Sugar kills far more people than guns. Let's ban that.
No, let's make money off of it, then make money off of dieting programs. Fatten, and thin them out, repeat, make money, and grow the economy. No government assistance needed.
Nor should they, look at a Ferengi, who the bleep would trust one of those things.
No.
It doesn't, or we wouldn't have to rely on public resources to clean up mining waste and pig sewage ponds.....
Your entire concept is wrong on how you layer these things my friend. Most innovation starts within the private sector, government gets involved because of the regulations it will inevitably come up with those innovations.
OK, how would it have gotten done without using the "capitalists"? And building roads isn't "socialist", it's in the Constitution, but like not having a standing army, the Fed doesn't have a standing work crew
"The Internet" doesn't agree with you on this. Ask DARPA.
What makes you think socialism isn't represented in the Constitution?
You are still completely missing the point. How would this have been done by those 'capitalists' WITHOUT a federal mandate and underlying funding to get it done? Who would have raised the capital to fund it? Which of the 'contracted capitalists' proposed doing this?
Answer: NONE of them.
Same for the Internet.
Same for the Apollo missions and the space program. Hell....we wouldn't have satellites for communication, DirectTV, etc. today without the federally funded/backed efforts of NASA and the space program.
Capitalists BUILD upon larger frameworks put down by the government. They do not INITIATE many (if ANY) of those activites, because the payouts are too far off, and are too risky. Not sure why this is so difficult to understand, but if your brainpower is limited to spoon-fed information from conservative news blogs and programs, I can certainly the issue here...
