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Carrying a gun quadruples your chance of being killed.

Someone in danger of being shot at is more likely to carry a gun.

The claim the OP made is as dumb as saying having a life preserver makes you more likely to drown, which is every bit as true.


That's an absurd comparison. Life preservers don't kill people by the thousands but guns do.

I wouldn't expect someone with a confederate flag picture to understand, though.
 
That's an absurd comparison. Life preservers don't kill people by the thousands but guns do.

I wouldn't expect someone with a confederate flag picture to understand, though.
It isn't absurd if you aren't an imbecile.

People who are in danger of being shot are more likely to have a gun. Owning the gun isn't a cause of that danger, it's a response to it.
 
It isn't absurd if you aren't an imbecile.

People who are in danger of being shot are more likely to have a gun. Owning the gun isn't a cause of that danger, it's a response to it.

Where's the data that supports your idea?

I think you are bitter your side lost the civil war so you cling to guns because you're inferior, just like the Confederate was.
 
It isn't absurd if you aren't an imbecile.

People who are in danger of being shot are more likely to have a gun. Owning the gun isn't a cause of that danger, it's a response to it.
People who IMAGINE themselves to be in danger may be more likely to have a gun.

That makes them more likely to be shot. It doesn't necessarily cause them to be shot. Nor does the OP assert causality.

Which is not to say causality doesn't exist, just that the OP claim was about likelihood.
 
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Where's the data that supports your idea?

I think you are bitter your side lost the civil war so you cling to guns because you're inferior, just like the Confederate was.

We're clinging to our guns because toolbags like you want to take them away.

(and actually, I don't own a gun, but will defend 2A to the extent I can anyway)
 
Where's the data that supports your idea?

I think you are bitter your side lost the civil war so you cling to guns because you're inferior, just like the Confederate was.
Why don't you go wash your retard helmet and leave the discussion to those of us with triple digit IQ's.
 
Liberals are running around screaming that SUVs are going to destroy the climate, and WWJD claims conservatives are the ones who are scaredy cats. SMH...
 
Why don't you go wash your retard helmet and leave the discussion to those of us with triple digit IQ's.

I'll put my I.Q. and education against yours any day, hillbilly boy.

Why don't you go reenact Picketts charge with your fellow rednecks?
 
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We're clinging to our guns because toolbags like you want to take them away.

(and actually, I don't own a gun, but will defend 2A to the extent I can anyway)

I don't want to take guns away, I just want to show gun owners that their guns make them less safe. That's all.
 
You would fail miserably on the IQ part. You may have gone to more school than I but that is irrelevant. I qualify for the Prometheus Society.

Bobby Fischer had an I.Q. of 185 and he was still wrong about everything.

I'm really impressed with you...dork.
 
You would fail miserably on the IQ part. You may have gone to more school than I but that is irrelevant. I qualify for the Prometheus Society.
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Not.

Go masturbate and cry by the grave of Robert E. Lee and leave this thread to those of us with high school diplomas.
Congrats on finally getting your GED. Don't worry, a lot of people don't get it until they are 30. You're not alone.
 
Where's the data that supports your idea?

I think you are bitter your side lost the civil war so you cling to guns because you're inferior, just like the Confederate was.
  • Gangs are responsible for an average of 48 percent of violent crime in most jurisdictions and up to 90 percent in several others, according to NGIC analysis. Major cities and suburban areas experience the most gang-related violence. Local neighborhood-based gangs and drug crews continue to pose the most significant criminal threat in most communities. Aggressive recruitment of juveniles and immigrants, alliances and conflict between gangs, the release of incarcerated gang members from prison, advancements in technology and communication, and Mexican Drug Trafficking Organization (MDTO) involvement in drug distribution have resulted in gang expansion and violence in a number of jurisdictions
https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/2011-national-gang-threat-assessment

I don't suppose this is exactly what you were looking for, but I can tell you with absolute confidence the the rednecks in Missouri that are licensed to conceal are the most law abiding people you'll meet. They'll also go out of their way to help you. If your point is that guns for safety ironically don't provide a statistical safety benefit I'll give you this:

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and:

Cook and colleagues Susan Parker and Harold Pollack at the University of Chicagointerviewed 99 inmates of the Cook County Jail in Chicago. They were looking for criminals who were likely to have used a gun or had ready access to one. The authors described the group of participants as "a convenience sample of gun-involved, criminally active men living in greater Chicago."

"It is difficult to say how representative they are of the larger population with that description," they wrote. "For that reason, we do not place much emphasis on the statistical results, as opposed to the qualitative patterns that emerged from these data."

That said, of the 70 inmates who had possessed a firearm, only 2, or 2.9 percent, had bought it at a gun store. The report found that percentage was in line with the findings of the Chicago Police Department when it traced weapons seized from suspected gang members. (For a glimpse into how guns move through a community, Cook's full article is good reading.)
 
I dont know why the gun people don't just accept that statistically they are less safe than if they didn't have one.? You have the freedom to be less safe. Its ok. No one is going to take away your right to be less safe.
 
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I dont know why the gun people don't just accept that statistically they are less safe than if they didn't have one.? You have the freedom to be less safe. Its ok. No one is going to take away your right to be less safe.

This is Donald Trumps base we're talking about. Logic doesn't apply :)
 
http://annals.org/mobile/article.aspx?articleid=1814426

Another study about the danger of guns in the home.
This uses data from 1992, 23 year old data.

Explain this "Firearms that are stored loaded or unlocked are more likely to be used than those that are unloaded or locked".

How the hell would they know the victim didn't unlock his gun and load it before killing him/her self. They victim leave a note before he shot him or herself? Weak data and assumptions made.
 
This uses data from 1992, 23 year old data.

Explain this "Firearms that are stored loaded or unlocked are more likely to be used than those that are unloaded or locked".

How the hell would they know the victim didn't unlock his gun and load it before killing him/her self. They victim leave a note before he shot him or herself? Weak data and assumptions made.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/19/guns-in-america-for-every-criminal-killed-in-self-defense-34-innocent-people-die


Here's more recent data exposing the dangers of guns.
 
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I dont know why the gun people don't just accept that statistically they are less safe than if they didn't have one.? You have the freedom to be less safe. Its ok. No one is going to take away your right to be less safe.

cough... secondhand smoke... cough.....
 
Liberals are running around screaming that SUVs are going to destroy the climate, and WWJD claims conservatives are the ones who are scaredy cats. SMH...
Actually, I'm saying that the scientific consequences of recklessly releasing greenhouse gasses will be climatic effects that will cause great harm to humans and many other living things.

I do admit that if you dumb it down enough it can be made to sound silly. But the question is, what do you gain by dumbing it down that much?
 
Meanwhile, back to guns, here's research suggesting that people who own guns are more likely to be not merely scardy cats but also impulsive, angry and/or suffer from mental disorders.

Great combination: scared, angry, impulsive, delusional people with guns.

That probably isn't the official definition of "Tea Party" but it doesn't sound too far off.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...ionid=09D1D7D0EA798D7D280D3209C92A3FCC.f03t01
 
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Meanwhile, back to guns, here's research suggesting that people who own guns are more likely to be not merely scardy cats but also impulsive, angry and/or suffer from mental disorders.

Great combination: scared, angry, impulsive, delusional people with guns.

That probably isn't the official definition of "Tea Party" but it doesn't sound too far off.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...ionid=09D1D7D0EA798D7D280D3209C92A3FCC.f03t01
I'm an Obama voter that owns an AR -15 and a RIA 1911. That probably makes me one of the most effed up and dangerous posters on the board.
 
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Sad for you that you can't prove your claim. 300 million guns in the U.S. in the hands of competent law abiding gun owners say you have no idea of what you speak.

Sad that you can't believe an obvious point. Get your guns out of your house (probably a trailer) and you, and your family will be safer and better off.
 
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