CDC Mask Mandate Study... Debunked

[coloradonoles]

I still have yet to hear one person explain the very similar graphs for states with mask mandates and those without.

And there are SEVERAL RCT studies about the efficacy of masks in hospital settings... and they don't come to the same conclusions most of you around here think.

 

[Kenneth Griffin]

Well to be clear, once again, I have a unique exposure that others do not. I am not yet clear that the routine use of masks, as an isolated risk mitigation, in public for casual exposure is warranted. I don’t think the data is there.

Do all the measures we have in place make a difference? They seem to yes. But since this is a mask discussion, I don’t know that a study exists that has looked ONLY at that. In the circumstances I describe. The grocery store, The park, The soccer field. The neigborhood Lowes. If it exists, I’d be happy to take a look.

What do I think has helped the most? The avoidance of large gatherings of people indoors for prolonged periods. People staying home from work and public while sick. The quarantine recommendations for exposed individuals. At risk being ultra cautious. I simply do not believe that these mask MANDATES are really that critical.

you would very likely be in a better position to know if you are around someone who is contagious. But if you wear one around someone you know is contagious to prevent getting it I think you must believe it helps.

 

[Pinehawk]

But, people just aren't around positive contagious people at this point enough that it is necessary. 3% positivity rate in Johnson County now. 3%...of those OF THOSE WHO FELT SICK ENOUGH TO SEEK OUT A TEST.

The chances of someone just happening to spend 15 minutes in close contact with a positive case at this point is exceedingly low. 21 people tested positive on 3/3. In a county with a population of 150,000.
That is low enough that it really is time to lift the mask mandate.
Of course people can still wear them with no mandate, and many would.

 

[shank hawk]

Mask proponents love to point to lab controlled studies in an attempt to say 'see they work!'.

Meanwhile, in real life, people use the same mask for days, throw in on the car seat, stuff it in their coat pocket, and take it on and off multiple times throughout the day. And, the case data doesn't show any obvious benefits when you compare mask mandate areas, vs. those without.

But, they really want everyone to believe they are effective because they might have blocked some droplets from reaching a hamster in a lab.

I just dropped some stuff off at school for my kid and as I walked up to the door I could see some masks on the ground where the snow had melted off. After I dropped his bag off I started counting them on the ground as I walked to my car and drove off: there were 12 of them. Guess the kids don’t appreciate anything these days. ☹️

 

[Finance85]

I just dropped some stuff off at school for my kid and as I walked up to the door I could see some masks on the ground where the snow had melted off. After I dropped his bag off I started counting them on the ground as I walked to my car and drove off: there were 12 of them. Guess the kids don’t appreciate anything these days. ☹

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Litter bugs.

 

[lonestar50]

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Hmmm. What could have happened around July, November, December, January where people might be maskless and in groups?

 

[haw-key]

Hmmm. What could have happened around July, November, December, January where people might be maskless and in groups?

Agreed. See my prior post. Mask wearing in prolonged close indoor contact in groups no doubt helps. But requiring masks to shop at the grocery store seems more virtue signaling than science. That’s my entire point.

But I do agree that some people can’t be counted on to differentiate but I think after a year it’s time to stop the shaming of people when they don’t see things as you do. Freedom and liberty.

They are free to not wear their mask at hy vee. You’re free to shop online. Everyone has options.

Should we have mask free indoor weddings yet? I dunno. Prob not. But soon I think.

 

[shank hawk]

Agreed. See my prior post. Mask wearing in prolonged close indoor contact in groups no doubt helps. But requiring masks to shop at the grocery store seems more virtue signaling than science. That’s my entire point.

But I do agree that some people can’t be counted on to differentiate but I think after a year it’s time to stop the shaming of people when they don’t see things as you do. Freedom and liberty.

They are free to not wear their mask at hy vee. You’re free to shop online. Everyone has options.

Should we have mask free indoor weddings yet? I dunno. Prob not. But soon I think.

I went to 3 wedding receptions last summer. Maybe 5% were masked - I believe it was 100% at the ceremonies though.

Don’t recall any STURGIS!!!!-like outbreaks from any of them.

 

[LBoogie28]

I went to 3 wedding receptions last summer. Maybe 5% were masked - I believe it was 100% at the ceremonies though.

Don’t recall any STURGIS!!!!-like outbreaks from any of them.

Has this unverified anecdote been peer reviewed? It’s super convincing.

 

[shank hawk]

Has this unverified anecdote been peer reviewed? It’s super convincing.

Okay.

 

[Joes Place]

Oh look, another Joe backtrack.

What have I backtracked on?

If you disagree that a "no masks in surgery" RCT is "ethical", then propose that to your hospital's administration. Post your note to them and their response. I want to see it. Because I know exactly what they'll tell you.

 

[Joes Place]

Mask proponents love to point to lab controlled studies in an attempt to say 'see they work!'.

Meanwhile, in real life, people use the same mask for days, throw in on the car seat, stuff it in their coat pocket, and take it on and off multiple times throughout the day.

Which has, literally, ZERO effect on mask effectiveness in limiting YOUR viral spread from exhaling and talking.

You've been informed of this time and time again; still doesn't seem to sink in for you.

 

[Joes Place]

And there are SEVERAL RCT studies about the efficacy of masks in hospital settings... and they don't come to the same conclusions most of you around here think.

We keep referring to RCTs, but they never seem to be designed in the manner which would support your contentions here.

 

[Joes Place]

Agreed. See my prior post. Mask wearing in prolonged close indoor contact in groups no doubt helps. But requiring masks to shop at the grocery store seems more virtue signaling than science. That’s my entire point.

NOT for the people who WORK in those stores, and are exposed to increasing viral loads from unmasked, infected people who go there.

 

[Joes Place]

Oh look, another Joe backtrack. One minute they don’t exist because they are unethical, next, well they do but they arent what you think they are.

If you're so hot to trot on these RCTs, post a few.

HINT: There's a REASON that every OR & ER requires mask usage. SAME reason that medical device manufacturers and pharma REQUIRE masks (and gowning, among other things) in their cleanroom manufacturing facilities.

HINT II: It's the SAME reason.

 

[haw-key]

NOT for the people who WORK in those stores, and are exposed to increasing viral loads from unmasked, infected people who go there.

I disagree. They also can always choose to mask of course. I’m not proposing outlawing masking Joe. I just haven’t seen any evidence to support this contact carries any risk of significance. This is about the science right?

 

[haw-key]

If you're so hot to trot on these RCTs, post a few.

HINT: There's a REASON that every OR & ER requires mask usage. SAME reason that medical device manufacturers and pharma REQUIRE masks (and gowning, among other things) in their cleanroom manufacturing facilities.

HINT II: It's the SAME reason.

Im not your bitch. You can do your own leg work to backup your premise. It was yours. That no RCT’s exist. Which is again, wrong.

 

[shank hawk]

Im not your bitch. You can do your own leg work to backup your premise. It was yours. That no RCT’s exist. Which is again, wrong.

Interesting perspective: dentistry based and pre-covid.

Why Face Masks Don’t Work: A Revealing Review

October 18, 2016by John Hardie, BDS, MSc, PhD, FRCDC Yesterday’s Scientific Dogma is Today’s Discarded Fable IntroductionThe above quotation is ascribed to Justice Archie Campbell author of Canada’…

www.google.com

 

[Joes Place]

I disagree.

Disagree with what?

That the people who WORK in those stores won't be at higher risk, if masks aren't worn by patrons?

That's categorically false, bud.

 

[Joes Place]

Im not your bitch.

You cannot provide any evidence to support your position here, can you?
And still, nearly all medical societies recommend masks in surgery, by the surgical teams.

Ya think the neurosurgeons are gonna sign off on "no mask" policies anytime, soon?

 

[ft254]

colorado found another twitter source. Take it for granted it preempts the CDC in integrity and substance, or it wouldn't have been posted.

Thanks to colorado's keen eye we have once again been spared the ravage of medical science's desperate tentacles of overreach, and saved by pseudoscience's whack jobs.

 

[lonestar50]

Agreed. See my prior post. Mask wearing in prolonged close indoor contact in groups no doubt helps. But requiring masks to shop at the grocery store seems more virtue signaling than science. That’s my entire point.

But I do agree that some people can’t be counted on to differentiate but I think after a year it’s time to stop the shaming of people when they don’t see things as you do. Freedom and liberty.

They are free to not wear their mask at hy vee. You’re free to shop online. Everyone has options.

Should we have mask free indoor weddings yet? I dunno. Prob not. But soon I think.

I can see you point that it is probably more the group gatherings that spread COVID, but I think if you lift the mask mandates people will not wear them in public, and if they don't wear them in public they definitely won't be wearing them in private group settings and the spread will continue. Don't ask me for scientific studies, I don't have them. Just my opinion of human nature

 

[shank hawk]

Disagree with what?

That the people who WORK in those stores won't be at higher risk, if masks aren't worn by patrons?

That's categorically false, bud.

Makes absolutely ZERO. difference whether they’re all maskless or triple masked.

 

[haw-key]

You cannot provide any evidence to support your position here, can you?
And still, nearly all medical societies recommend masks in surgery, by the surgical teams.

Ya think the neurosurgeons are gonna sign off on "no mask" policies anytime, soon?

Jesus, can’t you even do a simple google scholar search? Or too busy posting nonsense to find the time?

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD002929.pub3/abstract

This refers to three RCT’s. Yeah and that’s Cochrane. One of the most respected review groups in the world.

 

[haw-key]

Disagree with what?

That the people who WORK in those stores won't be at higher risk, if masks aren't worn by patrons?

That's categorically false, bud.

There is no evidence of that.

 

[shank hawk]

There is no evidence of that.

Do monkeys require evidence that poo sticks to walls?

Nope. They just keep flinging it in the hopes that some of it might.

 

[ft254]

I just dropped some stuff off at school for my kid and as I walked up to the door I could see some masks on the ground where the snow had melted off. After I dropped his bag off I started counting them on the ground as I walked to my car and drove off: there were 12 of them. Guess the kids don’t appreciate anything these days. ☹

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I guess surgeons and nurses have been foolish for wearing masks for over a century. No purpose.

 

[coloradonoles]

colorado found another twitter source. Take it for granted it preempts the CDC in integrity and substance, or it wouldn't have been posted.

Thanks to colorado's keen eye we have once again been spared the ravage of medical science's desperate tentacles of overreach, and saved by pseudoscience's whack jobs.

If it isn't my retired analysis stalker... what he analyzed no one knows but he analyzed the hell out of it, I bet...

You only have a few years left... better not go out uneducated and ignorant. Open you mind and see for yourself.

The CDC has bungled every major medical event in my lifetime. Their credibility is right there with the media and FBI. Pick a better horse to attach your cart... Fauci, the waffler, is out too.

 

[LBoogie28]

If it isn't my retired analysis stalker... what he analyzed no one knows but he analyzed the hell out of it, I bet...

You only have a few years left... better not go out uneducated and ignorant. Open you mind and see for yourself.

The CDC has bungled every major medical event in my lifetime. Their credibility is right there with the media and FBI. Pick a better horse to attach your cart... Fauci, the waffler, is out too.

You attached your cart, and voted for a guy that claimed we would go from 15 cases down to 0...and we are at 500K+ deaths. You backed Abbott’s ridiculous rhetoric after the power fallout in TX. You’re a partisan hack who scours social media looking to be affirmed. If you haven’t noticed, you’ve become a punchline on this board.

 

[Joes Place]

Jesus, can’t you even do a simple google scholar search? Or too busy posting nonsense to find the time?

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD002929.pub3/abstract

This refers to three RCT’s. Yeah and that’s Cochrane. One of the most respected review groups in the world.

LOLz.....didn't read it, didja?

 

[Joes Place]

There is no evidence of that.

There's conclusive evidence that masks dramatically reduce how far the aerosols (which carry the virus) are able to travel for masked vs unmasked.

 

[hawkedoff]

LOLz.....didn't read it, didja?

Seems like you didn't read it. It is fun watching you get owned. Keep going by all means

Authors' conclusions
From the limited results it is unclear whether the wearing of surgical face masks by members of the surgical team has any impact on surgical wound infection rates for patients undergoing clean surgery

 

[Joes Place]

Seems like you didn't read it.

I read the source.

Neither of you have, apparently.

 

[hawkedoff]

I read the source.

Neither of you have, apparently.

You truly are comical.

 

[ft254]

If it isn't my retired analysis stalker... what he analyzed no one knows but he analyzed the hell out of it, I bet...

You only have a few years left... better not go out uneducated and ignorant. Open you mind and see for yourself.

The CDC has bungled every major medical event in my lifetime. Their credibility is right there with the media and FBI. Pick a better horse to attach your cart... Fauci, the waffler, is out too.

Uneducated and ignorant. Hate to disappoint you, but no.

Spend my time sorting through worthless and meaningless garbage on the internet to support my distorted and warped views; no.

 

[shank hawk]

I guess surgeons and nurses have been foolish for wearing masks for over a century. No purpose.

I guess you could read the Hardie review I posted for a unique perspective on that subject.

Or don’t.

 

[haw-key]

There's conclusive evidence that masks dramatically reduce how far the aerosols (which carry the virus) are able to travel for masked vs unmasked.

Yes joe. But there is no evidence that staff at grocery stores and home improvement big box stores etc are at risk from the short contact with patrons. You yourself have admitted in the past that the issues with COVID in regard to severity of disease and risk directly relate to viral inoculum. These interactions are likely to be too short lived in general to be a significant risk.

The risk with this virus seems fairy obvious by now. The super spreader events. Families. Large gatherings indoors with prolonged talking and proximity. Cruise ships etc.

 

[haw-key]

I read the source.

Neither of you have, apparently.

Oh I read the whole thing.

 

[Joes Place]

Yes joe. But there is no evidence that staff at grocery stores and home improvement big box stores etc are at risk from the short contact with patrons.

There is absolutely evidence that "cumulative" exposure "is a thing".

 

[haw-key]

Oh so every patron in the store has COVID ? Huh. I had no idea.

For example right now in Iowa have positivity rates below 5%. In fact the 14 day trend is 4.0 and the 7 is 3.9. That’s a decrease, figured I better help you out.

We have had the mask mandate lifted over 4 weeks ago.

And keep in mind. This is NOT that 3.9% of Iowans have COVID. This is 3.9% of people tested have COVID. To bring context, last week less than 1000 people tested positive. Out of a population of 3.1 million people. That’s a positivity rate of 0.032%.

So tell me how many of these cases are, right now, endangering the staff of grocery stores?

To clarify for you, my argument is NOT that we shouldn’t have been wearing masks. My argument is that we no longer need to in stores and in those that have been vaccinated, anywhere ever.

Should we have concerts and weddings and body to body spring break bar parties without masks? No. But this idea that one size fits all and ‘Masks For Infinity’ Fauci is a joke. And so is your critical thinking come to think of it