What place do you guys think we will finish in tomorrow. It looks like we pretty much clinched 3rd but do we have any shot at winning it.... or is Ohio State or Penn State going to take it easily? Let me know what you guys think because I am trying to be optimistic but don't know much about tournament scoring and it's not looking to hot right now.
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basically zero chance of winning or passing PSU. We'll be 3rd. OSU has wrestled the tourney we were hoping we'd see from the Hawks.
We pretty well crapped the bed on numerous occasions.
We pretty well crapped the bed on numerous occasions.
We are only 3 points behind osu, so realistically we have a shot at 2nd. I don't think we have done that poorly, considering: We don't have Stoll, and both Clark and Kemdog are wrestling injured and we are in 3rd
We are 3.5 points behind PSU. We are 22 points behind OSU. We will take 3rd most likely.
You mean PSU, and they will probably will be closer to first than we will be to second by the time the dust settles.
Injuries are one thing but the losses we've had this weekend are just painful. Carton and Gunther just decided not to show up. 97 and HWT were a mess all year and then Sorensen continues his pattern of wrestling like crap this year.
Injuries are one thing but the losses we've had this weekend are just painful. Carton and Gunther just decided not to show up. 97 and HWT were a mess all year and then Sorensen continues his pattern of wrestling like crap this year.
I really thought Sorenson would have a good season. Don't get it.
http://www.pennstatewrestlingclub.org/content/tournament_team_score.php?id=17&type=team
If Ohio State implodes (it could happen even the guys that are favored are not favored by much except Snyder) and Snyder is the only one to win they will have 121 pts. If Iowa wins out that would be 16 in the finals 9 wrestling back for 3rd and 1 for 7th. That would put Iowa at 121. Not likely to happen. Did not include bonus points because Gilman is the only one likely to get them on either team.
If Ohio State implodes (it could happen even the guys that are favored are not favored by much except Snyder) and Snyder is the only one to win they will have 121 pts. If Iowa wins out that would be 16 in the finals 9 wrestling back for 3rd and 1 for 7th. That would put Iowa at 121. Not likely to happen. Did not include bonus points because Gilman is the only one likely to get them on either team.
Are you implying the season is over for him? Would you consider another national finals appearance as a bad season?
OSU has guys on the back side too. Pletcher will likely advance to the 3/4 match. They are favored at 125 7th match too so throw a few more points to OSU.
But sure, if we win every match and OSU loses every match except Olympic champ Snyder....sure. So like I said, pretty much zero chance. And FWIW, I see PSU putting up a lot of points tomorrow.
But sure, if we win every match and OSU loses every match except Olympic champ Snyder....sure. So like I said, pretty much zero chance. And FWIW, I see PSU putting up a lot of points tomorrow.
We are in complete agreement. I just put the math out there for those who don't know or understand tournament scoring. I went with them imploding and Iowa winning out to illustrate how unlikely it is just to get to a tie.
Dude seriously open your eyes. He's not making the finals. If anything he's regressing.
Iowa is weak. How many weights are worth a shit? I will answer. Half at best. Does anybody think carton, Gunther, cash and Holloway will cut it? And then Meyer? And then Brandon? So Gilman, Clark, Mike and Sam. And Cory is hurt and Mike can't beat Jason and Brooks could win or lose to anyone. Iowa is at best a top 5 team anymore. Period.
The reality is that losing Stoll hurt bad. Then Clark having a bum shoulder hurts. Then losing Turk hurts. Then RS'ing AM has been a baaad decision. Then losing Bradley has been devistating. We've had some bad luck. But this is a broken record at this juncture. It's been more or less the same story every year.
At what point do Iowa fans realize this is honestly a TnT issue?? When it comes to end of season tourney time they lay egg after egg. It's unfortunate but true.
Well Genius lets start w/ the guy he lost to tonight in the semi's. Jesus help this idiot.
Has he ever beat Jordan before? Your logic and attitude are terrible.. if anything you're the idiot and for that matter, a terrible fan for betting against Sorensen. He has wins over Collica and Jordan so it wouldn't be too farfetched for him to make the finals there genius.
Sorry to ask this but I am not that familiar with the qualification process. How many wrestlers will we get in the national tourney
You're not making any sense. Your rationality is that he lost to Jordan today so he can't make the finals. However, he beat Jordan earlier in the season? So, why is it so hard to believe that he can beat him again? I understand you are disappointed, but step back from the ledge, he will be alright come nationals.
No, but more than likely he will be on the same side of the bracket as Zain. He has given up more take downs lately compared to the typical BS. I don't like what I'm seeing. First time he wrestled Jordan he got to his offense and got a td. Not much confidence today.
7 if Cartons wins tomorrow. I don't think Cashe or Jo can auto qualify so they would have to get a wild card. Not likely both freshman.
I've said this in the past. But you can't fire a guy who lands Kemerer, Marinelli, Lee, Murin, Teasdale, Young and Warner. Not gonna happen.
not this season. in their first match, at carver, BS had an escape in the second period and rode him out the third period to get a ride time point for a 2-0 win.
The only real head scratcher loss in terms of opponents is Lugo and even he is pretty good. All losses prior to this were in OT so its not like BS is getting his ass kicked and today he just got out-Sorensened by Micah. Sorensen is not an elite wrestler/dominator but he can knock off any of the above named guys. He's not scoring his first period TD, which he usually has done in the past. If he gets it together mentally, which is what his problem is, I can see him making the finals. Yea, I get frustrated by his lack of offense but it's not like that many are dominating him on their feet.
You can keep on calling people dumbasses who believe in Brandon but it's not a good look. Blame it on TnT as well...it's the team they put together but look at the guys in the finals for the tOSU:
133-#10 recruit
149-#6 recruit
174-#1 recruit
184-#4 recruit
197-#81 recruit (the success he has had is pretty amazing...I believe Holloway beat him before. Working with MyMar and Snyder has paid dividends)
HWY-#1 recruit
PSU
149-#3
157-#4
174-#1
Iowa
125-#16
133-#23
157-#8
184-#20
So it's no surprise that our guys do not look as talented because you can only do so much. Gilman and Clark are different because they have each other plus McD and Dennis to roll with. Because of that type of competition, they have been made better and surpassed others. TnT used to subscribe to the Gable school of thought about development but they aren't Gable. It's one thing to get good guys in the room; it's a whole different thing to get them to overreach on the mat on an every year basis. Sure, they have done it with some guys but this is why we are seeing the difference in recruiting. It's why a Kemerer can come in and consistently beat a guy like Brian Murphy (#27 Intermat). Yes, coaching has something to do with it but Kem was talented coming in.
After looking at allocations if Cashe wins his 7th place match tomorrow he will punch his ticket. That would be 8 qualifiers.
Doesn't matter to me win or lose. It happens on both sides. What is driving me nuts is interview each of the Iowa kids and hear the same. "All I want to do is score, score, score. Want to dominate. Want nothing but bonus points." Bullshit. Total crap. Look at Brandon. Meyer. Been there 4 years. What a joke. And we are competing with that plus Carton, Gunther, Cash, Holloway? We are laughable. I am sure other teams fear the Hawks now. Really worried about 4 year starters Brandon and Meyer kicking ass. So sad.
After reading your post the Hawks might as well get back on the bus and head home?
Do you ever say anything good about anyone but yourself?
Actually, you're coming off as the idiot troll in this thread.
Sounds like there was some heavy drinking followed by hawkeye report posting last night.
Every year, like clockwork, these idiots come out of the woodwork. So called "fans" that only show up to bitch and moan... It's like they can't wait us to have a bad result. How pathetic must their lives be??
Question is, looking ahead to next season at this point, how many weights will Iowa be considered very strong at? Just seems in recent years we routinely have 2-3 weights we have every little chance at when/if qualifying for Nationals.
I am starting to wonder if BS is either a little burned out or has a nagging injury. If I remember correctly Borschel and McGinness both had letdowns their Jr. years. He has been wrestling a long time with a lot of expectations. Maybe it is just taking its toll. He is still capable of making the finals and even winning it all but right now it is not looking good. I think everybody is frustrated with him because we know what he is capable of. We just need to remember that life is complicated and its hard to tell what a person is going through. Lets face it, to us these guys should be bullet proof, but in the end they are just young men (not kids) and they face the same trials in life everybody else does. They just have to strap it on each day and compete against the best in the country regardless of how they feel or what they are dealing with.
It has really been a pretty solid year when you consider the injuries and holes that people have been plugged into to fill a lineup. I do agree that one area our staff can improve on is finding a way to get guys on fire come tourney time. Gable excelled like no other at it but he is also a legend that few can ever be compared too! As long as our staff realizes that they too need to continue to improve Iowa will have brighter days ahead. It seems in every sport it is about evolution and continuing to adapt and adjust. Iowa does extremely well considering the quality of in state talent ohio and pennsilvania can keep close to home. Oklahoma state has recruited out of state probably the best nationwide of any team but has had mixed results with top recruits. This year they have things going well for them collectively but year to year is hit and miss. Iowa has done as well as anyone with what we have recruited but outside of penn states all star depth chart most teams depend on recruits ability to adapt and succeed. Wrestlers quiting, transferring or getting injured is very difficult to overcome and can affect more than one season.
I apologize for coming off as a prick. Sometimes being such a big Hawk fan can cause over the top knee jerk reactions. Let me approach it this way. I have a tendency to forget about a Gilman and focus on a Meyer. It's like I expect all Hawks up and down the lineup to dominate so when they do it is assumed and when they don't I get pissed. Did the same thing with for example Nick Moore. I would focus on him and forget about other typical Hawk results cause he irritated me so much. Think of a scratch golfer. Makes par it is expected no reaction makes a bogey or worse they get pissed and that is what they remeber after a round, the 2 bogeys not the 16 pars. But then I extrapolate that to the whole team when 1 or some don't appear aggressive, see e.g, Meyer and BS yesterday. Anyway, I apologize and go Hawks today.
