Coaching Staff Got Owned
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Wishful thinking, but it won't happen. The football program is run by KF. Barta reports to him. Herald won't stir the pot as he treads lightly over his past baggage!
How do you go from being a sizzling hot team that beat Ohio State last Saturday to the most embarrassing dud yesterday?? That's football! No, that's Hawkeye football. I've lost count because I'm tired of counting. What is it now? 6 years of unremarkable football out of the last 7 years? Meanwhile, Wisconsin keeps rolling.
BF got coached circles around by a second year football coach and first year coordinator. That is not exactly reassuring
Living in Virginia a few years back, it reminds me a lot of Frank Beamers last few years.
That’s because the other coaches worked and earned their positions, they were not handed them by Dad.
In no way is BF less qualified to be a coordinator than Jim Leonhard.
Guys, no matter what we are going to get what we want. BRIAN is going to have a about 3-4 years to show he can make Iowa at least a decent offensive team. His numbers now are worse than the numbers that got the last guy ran out of town. His numbers will get better or his dad is going to fire him and if that happens the whole Empire will start to fold. For better or worse KFs legacy is going to hinge on Brian's ability to run an offense over the next 3 years.
There are many things to address so I just picked one. I'm not sure how many of the starters will be returning next year so the "give the young team time" argument doesn't hold water. There are 2 or 3 games left then this season is over. Then it's on to next year and with IOWA no one can predict what IOWA will do each year. If the offense is still having these struggles after 10 games chances are they won't play consistent. I fully appreciate the clean program KF runs. He's an overall good guy. My beef is with the glaring deficiencies that cause such inconsistency. There is no way to just say, That's Football, when you score 55 points on OSU and fail to score any offense points the very next week.
Actually, Wisconsin didn't blitz all that much, depending on how you define it. With the 3-4, usually, at least one of the LBs will be pass rushing. That's still only sending 4, and that's what was going on mostly yesterday (which also, obviously, allows 7 in coverage). It may "look" like more than 4 are rushing because there are players coming from unexpected positions, plus they run some stunt action that confuses the blockers as well. They did send an extra LB or safety once in a while and it was generally disruptive, but it was a lot less than you may have perceived. Mostly, this was the base scheme that gave the Iowa protection fits
Yeah, BF fault that untimely interception to Edwards when we were down three and driving happened. BF threw that football.
That play swayed all the momentum. Iowa puts together a good drive and scores or ties up the game, we're looking at a different ballgame. Instead, quick defensive turn around (again), and we're fumbling the ball for no reason on the next drive, for a Wisconsin touchdown.
Wisconsin's defense is the best we'll face this year, played or upcoming. They showed it yesterday.
That play swayed all the momentum. Iowa puts together a good drive and scores or ties up the game, we're looking at a different ballgame. Instead, quick defensive turn around (again), and we're fumbling the ball for no reason on the next drive, for a Wisconsin touchdown.
Wisconsin's defense is the best we'll face this year, played or upcoming. They showed it yesterday.
They had 20 yards at halftime. No one play did anything in that game. The defensive guys deserve to be carried to class and practice all week by the o because the d carried them all day yesterday.
lol the only thing I really have an issue with is our offense of line coach we did not handle Wisconsin stunts and blitzing worth a damn. But I don't think I'd fire all the coaches LOLThe issue here is that everything you just said is you venting.
Everyone has already heard every dissatisfaction there is to speak of about Iowa football.
But beyond venting, what are your words?
You want to see them do this. You want to see them do that. We need to change, change, change. And when it doesn't happen, you'll do what?
Complain some more, because that's all we have.
You think complaining is gonna convince the Cleveland Browns organization to finally see the light and suddenly they'll trade for and draft all the talent they need and hire the right coach to coach up their acquired talent to finally win that elusive Super Bowl?
F*** no. It ain't happening. That obviously doesn't mean Browns fans will stop complaining. That may not mean they'll stop being fans (same goes for Iowa fans btw).....
But beyond that, what can they do?
"So what you want us to just sit there and take it?"
Of course not. I'm asking you what you're gonna do about it. And sure someone could give me an answer to that, like "not go to games" or "write strongly worded letters to the AD or the President or the Board of Regents or your f***ing local congressman" or "refuse to buy merchandise and hope enough people all do the same for all those other things listed that CHANGE will finally take place"................but that's still not gonna be good enough.
So beyond that what are you gonna do about it?
"Fine, I'll just stick to venting...."
Funny how that works, huh.....that that's all you guys who still want to be Iowa fans can come back to.
"At least we have our message boards to complain on, because dammit I want change! I want the coaching staff fired and I want better recruits and dammit I want a national championship because it's not too much to ask of the other 120 some teams/coaches in the FBS and the NCAA to allow that to happen and to allow Iowa, of all f***ing schools to actually get all the breaks needed to actually win a national title, because dammit that's what I demand because I have high expectations. I hold myself to higher expectations so the team I root for should do the same dammit!!!!!!"
All been heard before. Does anything change? F*** no.
So what else can you do besides vent?.............
Just sayin.
P.S. All of this is true, btw, regardless of if you don't like it. I'm not gonna play games with anyone this time. Everything I said is true. Enjoy!
I agree. The offense did not click
Sorry but there is absolutely nothing that makes him more qualified. While Leonhard was being a “player-coach” in the NFL, BF was being an actual coach on the best offensive staff in football. On top of that, he has several years of experience as a college position coach to Leonhard’s one year. No doubt Leonhard is good at his job, but BF had the better resume for a coordinator job
As scary as this sounds I actually think the parrells between lick and the capt are pretty accurate. I think if Lick had a coach with the talent of Parker coaching his team's defense KF and Lickliter would be identical.
Phil Parker is incapable of making in game adjustments too. Something that Norm Parker was very, very good at. Our defense consistently played better in the 2nd half under Norm. The opposite is true under Phil.
This guy is an idiot. Did BF play in the NFL as a QB of the secondary for 10+ years? Holy smokes there's some great insight here.
I don't disagree at all. It was brutal to watch, especially coming off last Saturdays win. No argument to be made. Just think its interesting that people want to bring coach Fry into the equation. It would be interesting if this forum was around in 1997, because I guarantee you the many of the same people would have wanted old John Hayden run out of town.
I didn't know Wisconsin head coach was Leonard's pappy.
I want performance...I don't care if it is BF. So far, performance is poor.
There is a very big difference between the Hayden Fry tenure and the KF tenure.
Hayden Fry sought out and hired the best young assistant coaches he could find. He wanted coaches that wanted to be head coaches, on his staff. Old age and constant staff turnover due to other programs hiring his assistants for promotion, is the reason his later teams struggled to do well.
The last assistant coach that was hired out from under KF for a promotion, was Joe Philbin. Unless I'm missing someone.
Old age caught up to HF. You can't begin to say the same thing for KF. Nor can you compare the amount of staff turnover between the 2.
Smart people know this.
Never said there weren't differences, just that the end result was the same in many aspects. Some bad losses and bowl blow outs. I'm sorry though if we are, (sorry), I'm not as smart as you. Honestly, convince me that had this forum been around when Fry was in his last couple of years, that this isn't the same kind of complaints you would have seen about him. That is after all what I just said.
I wasn't saying that you weren't "smart". Just pointing out that end of HF's tenure was absolutely explainable by most intelligent Iowa fans. And most of us knew HF stayed a few years past his time.
There is no reasonable excuse for the state of the program under KF's 19th season.
His assistant coaches are shit. 1 good season in 5 is what he's good for, under the program he has built. One can even argue that Bret Bielema (a HF staff hold over) was as much responsible for KF's success in the 02-04 run. BB recruited many of the defensive players that dominated those teams. As well as some of the offensive talent that came out of Florida.
The results have absolutely nothing to do with my comment. How can one say that Leonhard worked for and earned his position with only one year of coaching experience at any level, but BF was simply handed his job despite 10 years in coaching?
Honestly, I'm just glad Barta didn't extend KF's contract another 10 years after the Ohio State game.
Agree. I just can’t recall seeing a ferentz coached team make big adjustments at halftime like bill Snyder did.
Not like BF wasn’t learning from the greatest coach of this generation in that same time period
Not like BF wasn’t learning from the greatest coach of this generation in that same time period
He apprenticed under GDGD. Is it any surprise that he's following in his footsteps?
GDGD is the 2nd greatest coach of this generation, so I don’t see the issue here
Your trying to compare learning from a book or discussion vs learning from being hands on. I can read a book all day about hitting a baseball, but I'll know more about hitting after an hour in the cage than any amount of reading.
I wouldn't even argue that its possible KF has outstayed his time. I've stated before that BF would be better served to take his career in another direction for his own sake as well as the program. See this as a no win situation for him, if he was to replace Kirk. I don't however see the need to refer to any of our staff as excrement, no matter how bad we play on a given week, or how raw the posters feelings are. Sorry, I just don't feel they deserve that, from the fans or anyone else.
That's an amazingly idiotic statement...and quite illogical.
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