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Comprehensive Thread: It is NOT the drag queens and trans you need to be worried about...

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A little makeup and he could make a good drag queen.

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Filled with something but not likely the "fruit of the spirit".


Goldsboro’s CBS affiliate reports:

A teacher at a Christian school in Sanford has been charged with sex offenses involving a student, Sanford police said Thursday. On Nov. 8, police received a report of misconduct by a teacher at Lee Christian School at 3220 Keller Andrews Road.
Further Investigation into the allegations led police investigators to bring charges against 57-year-old Daniel Jeremy Abraham of Spring Lake.
He is charged with indecent liberties with a student and sexual battery. Abraham was taken before a Lee County Magistrate where he was placed in the Lee County Jail without bond.
 
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This one looks familiar so he must already be represented in the threat but here is his sentencing:

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Ohio Catholic Priest Gets Life On Child Sex Charges​

November 17, 2023 Crime, Religion


Toledo’s CBS affiliate reports:
A former northwest Ohio priest was sentenced Friday, just over three years after he was initially arrested on charges of sex trafficking minors and adults, charges on which he was ultimately found guilty.
Michael Zacharias appeared in federal court Friday afternoon, where a judge sentenced him to life in prison on two counts and 20 years on three counts. These sentences will run concurrently.
A federal jury found him guilty in May of five counts of sex trafficking, some of which involved minors. Prosecutors said the crimes, which occurred between 1999 and July 2020, involved Zacharias using his position as a priest at Saint Michael the Archangel Parish to target victims and coerce them into sex acts.

 
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Let’s see. I’m reading the words “church” and “youth organizer” in the article and he’s a dude. Yep. I’m giving him a second look. Organized religion is a hunting ground for pervs - as your thread shows.

There's more abuse in schools than organized religion.

@NoleATL has a serious bias against clergy.

 
Yep. Data is pretty clear. That's why the catholics hid it for decades!!

This is from the link that you haven't read:


4. The Church has used best practices to deal with this issue since 2002.

The incidents of clerical abuse in recent years (i.e., since 2002) are down to a trickle. Many of the newer abuse cases since 2002 have been perpetrated by visiting international priests here on vacation or sabbatical who have not gone through the extensive training and screening that American clerics now go through.


The Dallas Charter and subsequent Church reforms have resulted in a number of industry-standard and even groundbreaking policies and procedures to keep children safe in Church-related activities and keep abusing priests out of ministry.
 
This is from the link that you haven't read:


4. The Church has used best practices to deal with this issue since 2002.

The incidents of clerical abuse in recent years (i.e., since 2002) are down to a trickle. Many of the newer abuse cases since 2002 have been perpetrated by visiting international priests here on vacation or sabbatical who have not gone through the extensive training and screening that American clerics now go through.


The Dallas Charter and subsequent Church reforms have resulted in a number of industry-standard and even groundbreaking policies and procedures to keep children safe in Church-related activities and keep abusing priests out of ministry.

And in 2002, god created the heavens and the earth (and declared a do-over on kid sex stuff and all prior history moot).
 
Yeah, back when it was cool.

Well, back then, sexual abuse wasn't taken as seriously as it is now.

The prevailing psychological theory was that child abusers could receive some counseling, be moved to a new location and be cured.

So in many cases, the Church was doing what was thought to be right by psychology at the time.

Now we know that isn't true and reforms have been made, which are working.
 
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This is from the link that you haven't read:


4. The Church has used best practices to deal with this issue since 2002.

The incidents of clerical abuse in recent years (i.e., since 2002) are down to a trickle. Many of the newer abuse cases since 2002 have been perpetrated by visiting international priests here on vacation or sabbatical who have not gone through the extensive training and screening that American clerics now go through.


The Dallas Charter and subsequent Church reforms have resulted in a number of industry-standard and even groundbreaking policies and procedures to keep children safe in Church-related activities and keep abusing priests out of ministry.
Same source and same article: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...t-s-new-in-the-grand-jury-report-priest-abuse

I am not sure you are making the point you think you are. Edit: The author is also a Catholic.
 
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Well, back then, sexual abuse wasn't taken as seriously as it is now.

The prevailing psychological theory was that child abusers could receive some counseling, be moved to a new location and be cured.

So in many cases, the Church was doing what was thought to be right by psychology at the time.

Now we know that isn't true and reforms have been made, which are working.

Oh yeah...definitely! When you've got something that rampant in your organization, thank goodness they had cutting edge practices to deal with it.

Well done boys! (I mean that in the general way, not the kind that turned on the white robed fellas)
 
Same source and same article: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...t-s-new-in-the-grand-jury-report-priest-abuse

I am not sure you are making the point you think you are.

That article shows my point about the reforms working.

Unfortunately, there will always be wolves that slither in. That's what I'll do my best to expose them as a member of the laity.


"After the now famous U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishop’s 2002 Dallas Charter, policies and procedures within the Church have made it a safer environment for children, with lay review boards overseeing their efforts in all dioceses and within all religious orders. An independent audit system, conducted by a company unaffiliated with the church, ensures that these policies and procedures are followed very carefully with lay oversight.

Other organizations that work with children such as the Boy Scouts, law enforcement, the U.S. Olympic committee, the Boys and Girls Clubs of America, and so forth have worked together with the Catholic Church to utilize best practices of child protection moving forward."
 
Oh yeah...definitely! When you've got something that rampant in your organization, thank goodness they had cutting edge practices to deal with it.

Well done boys! (I mean that in the general way, not the kind that turned on the white robed fellas)

Welp, you haven't addressed any of the data or my points.

(It wasn't rampant. 90%+ of clergy were not abusers.)

Have a good holiday week.
 
That article shows my point about the reforms working.

Unfortunately, there will always be wolves that slither in. That's what I'll do my best to expose them as a member of the laity.


"After the now famous U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishop’s 2002 Dallas Charter, policies and procedures within the Church have made it a safer environment for children, with lay review boards overseeing their efforts in all dioceses and within all religious orders. An independent audit system, conducted by a company unaffiliated with the church, ensures that these policies and procedures are followed very carefully with lay oversight.

Other organizations that work with children such as the Boy Scouts, law enforcement, the U.S. Olympic committee, the Boys and Girls Clubs of America, and so forth have worked together with the Catholic Church to utilize best practices of child protection moving forward."
Do you have any other sources than Catholic?
 
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I'd be worried about the trans tbh. They are very violent people and the hormone cocktails they're on make their already dubious mental state even worse.
 
Do you have any other sources than Catholic?

Here's one:


"We don't see the Catholic Church as a hotbed of this or a place that has a bigger problem than anyone else," said Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. "I can tell you without hesitation that we have seen cases in many religious settings, from traveling evangelists to mainstream ministers to rabbis and others."


 
Here's one:


"We don't see the Catholic Church as a hotbed of this or a place that has a bigger problem than anyone else," said Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. "I can tell you without hesitation that we have seen cases in many religious settings, from traveling evangelists to mainstream ministers to rabbis and others."


No. I want independent verification of Dallas Charter's effect on sexual abuse in the Catholic Church. Not from Catholic studies and data. Edit: Again. This doesn't make the point you think it does.
 
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No. I want independent verification of Dallas Charter's effect on sexual abuse in the Catholic Church. Not from Catholic studies and data.

The Dallas Charter is overseen by lay people...lawyers, social workers, psychologists, etc.

I don't have any other sources. Feel free to do some digging if you want.
 
Where did the statistics you cited come from?

Here.

You can read the biographies of the board members; lawyers, an FBI agent, professors and psychologists.

I know you think it's all lies but there it is.

 
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I already gave you a nice little pat on the back for what that article says happened 2002 on...what more do you want? And no, I'm not going to the altar boy dressing room with you...

What do I want?

For your side to stop stereotyping and trashing a religious group you dislike.
 
Here.

You can read the biographies of the board members; lawyers, an FBI agent, professors and psychologists.

I know you think it's all lies but there it is.

That's not what I am talking about and you know it. The data that stated that the policies put forth by the Dallas Charter has lessened sexual assault by their own. Where did that data come from?
 
That's not what I am talking about and you know it. The data that stated that the policies put forth by the Dallas Charter. Where did that data come from?

I gave you the link.

The Dallas Charter is a group that oversees the abuse cases after 2002.

I don't think the lay people are all Catholic but even if they are, it doesn't mean they're lying.
 
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