Only 33% of ESA went to new students!
What a freaking joke.
What a freaking joke.
Confirmed ...vouchers were a handout to wealthy.
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This is shocking. Thankfully, private schools now have accountability and oversight of the public dollars they receive just like public schools. Oh wait.....
Vouchers for my kids’ private school tuition keeps them from forced singing of the National Anthem every day.
Sorry you guys are losers and suckers.
Sorry you guys are losers and suckers.
Confirmed: the entire culture wars bs is to get poor uneducated rubes to vote for handouts and tax cuts for the wealthy.
Honestly I thought it would be closer to 3%. Sarcasm (kind of).
Do you have a link to the info?
Suck at links, but Ciggy can help me out when he sees this thread.
Got the info off of KCRG website.
I'm sorry, what?
Huh? The first year you could only get an ESA if you were a family of four at or below 300% of FPL.
Me thinks you got it backwards Nordy. Quick, edit your post...nobody will know!
Edit to add link to Kimberly's shit:
Iowa’s Students First Education Savings Account program generates more than 29,000 applications
Governor Reynolds has announced that 29,025 K-12 students applied for a Students First Education Savings Account (ESA) during the program’s monthlong...
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Thanks. One thing I really want to know is of these 33% of needs based approved ESA accounts - how many were actually accepted by the school they applied to? Just getting approved for the ESA doesn't mean shit. You can still be left out in the cold (like we all want poors to be). Per Kimberly's news release:
"In addition to applying and being approved for an ESA, families must separately apply to the accredited private school of their choice and, if accepted, update their ESA account indicating the school their child plans to attend."
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Accountability for private schools boils down to convincing people to keep bringing their kids there instead of to the competition.
How does accountability for the public schools work?
Huh? As public schools we are beholden to conducting and paying for an annual audit ($17,000 for our district this year), and the timely filling of a certified Certified Annual Report (CAR) that literally examines every account and every transaction during a fiscal year.
Private schools area subject to neither of those. Any other brain busters?
What happens if the school fails the audit?
Do they close the school, or just tell them to do better next time?
A private school is subject to merciless consumer whim.
Nobody needs an audit to close a bad restaurant, lack of customers will do the job.
That's real world accountability.
How can public schools be held accountable by their customers?
Mississippi South Governor must be jealous of this ineptitude?
That single brain cell rolling around in Dim Kim's head must be lonely.
That single brain cell rolling around in Dim Kim's head must be lonely.
If an audit was "failed" that school would have to appear in person in front of the School Budget Review Committee to explain how the district would turn their financial situation around through a comprehensive school finance improvement program. If they don't show improvement within two years, then yes, steps can be taken to punish the district including closure.
And are you not familiar with the concept of open enrollment? Our dipshit governor just made it possible to open enroll at any point of the year for some reason. Students open enrolling costs the resident district thousands of dollars.
I know you're from Florida apparently, but this concept is not a difficult one.
Huh? The first year you could only get an ESA if you were a family of four at or below 300% of FPL.
Me thinks you got it backwards Nordy. Quick, edit your post...nobody will know!
Edit to add link to Kimberly's shit:
Iowa’s Students First Education Savings Account program generates more than 29,000 applications
Governor Reynolds has announced that 29,025 K-12 students applied for a Students First Education Savings Account (ESA) during the program’s monthlong...governor.iowa.gov
I believe in the first year current private school students are only given funds if they meet the needs based criteria.
Has that ever happened? A closure.
Cause I've seen a lot of restaurants go out of business and be replaced by better ones.
The threat of consumer demand isn't a hollow one.
If I decide that Chick-fil-A isn't good enough, and I take my money to Popeyes, am I costing Chick-fil-A money, or is their inability to satisfy my needs costing them money?
Who do you think bears the responsibility?
Is this concept a difficult one?
I knew I had been overestimating the GOP.
How many new students were we expecting? 33% new students? That sounds like a pretty good number. What's the problem here? Are we mad that people who were already going to private school are needs based?
You mean like the "consumer whim" that the Catholic church faced?
The criteria does not include being able to afford private school already.
And what happens to that criteria in 2 years?
According the the OP, 33% of the ESA went to new students. That means the remaining 67% went to current private school students. In year one and two, private school students are only given vouchers if they meet the needs based criteria.
Private school students who were already paying for private school. Now they get it subsidized. Soon there will be no income requirements and likely not even a requirement to attend a school.
This has always been a subsidy for religious organizations and well to do people who support them.
I’m off for a Friday night of boozing…I’ll let you warriors of pedantry fight it out.
The ESA applications exceeded the estimate by around 25%.
It's also why the financial ramifications will be much more than Terrace Hill planned for.
Hence...Dim Kim is stealing from other areas to cover.
And there won't be any audits to monitor the Statehouse.
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Exceeded by 25% with 33% new students. Sounds like it was more than expected. I think this thread was bitching about a positive aspect of these vouchers. You guys just like to bitch.
That's really good actually, I didn't figure private schools would have capacity for new students at that rate in year 1.
Need time to open up some new options.
Simultaneously public schools should see the writing on the wall that they need to look to improve ASAP. Unless they're just sticking their heads in the sand and hoping Dems take the government back so they can continue as is, without choice for families.
I realize many in this thread would take the latter option, hoping everyone else lowers their standards so the status quo can live on infinitely.
Need time to open up some new options.
Simultaneously public schools should see the writing on the wall that they need to look to improve ASAP. Unless they're just sticking their heads in the sand and hoping Dems take the government back so they can continue as is, without choice for families.
I realize many in this thread would take the latter option, hoping everyone else lowers their standards so the status quo can live on infinitely.
State reports almost 17,000 students used vouchers for private school in 2023
According to enrollment data released by the Iowa Department of Education on Friday, 16,757 students used Iowa’s new Educational Savings Accounts to pay for private school during the current school year. The program passed in early 2023 after an expedited legislative consideration that took two...
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Certified enrollment for 2023-24 holds steady; 16,757 ESA participants enrolled at Iowa accredited nonpublic schools
Today, the Iowa Department of Education announced 2023 fall certified enrollment numbers.
Approximately 33.7% of the 16,757 student participants who used an ESA at an Iowa accredited nonpublic school for the 2023-24 school year did not previously attend a nonpublic school. About 12.7% of the student ESA participants previously attended a public school. Close to 21% of the student ESA participants were entering kindergarten students.
I think you would get both sides to cool off if private schools had to a) accept everyone who applied and b) were subject to the same review standards as public schools.
Without those two things, public schools “needing to improve” are essentially fighting with one arm tied behind their back. But that’s ultimately the goal of all this - create a self-fulfilling prophecy that public education is a failure.
Two common sense requirements for accepting public money - meet public standards. I’m not sure why anyone would argue against those.
@thewop ???
It would be nice if vouchers were limited to the portion of taxes a family pays towards public schools.
As it stands now, the amount likely exceeds most people's tax burden.
As it stands now, the amount likely exceeds most people's tax burden.
Good post.State reports almost 17,000 students used vouchers for private school in 2023
According to enrollment data released by the Iowa Department of Education on Friday, 16,757 students used Iowa’s new Educational Savings Accounts to pay for private school during the current school year. The program passed in early 2023 after an expedited legislative consideration that took two...
Certified enrollment for 2023-24 holds steady; 16,757 ESA participants enrolled at Iowa accredited nonpublic schools
Today, the Iowa Department of Education announced 2023 fall certified enrollment numbers.educate.iowa.gov
Approximately 33.7% of the 16,757 student participants who used an ESA at an Iowa accredited nonpublic school for the 2023-24 school year did not previously attend a nonpublic school. About 12.7% of the student ESA participants previously attended a public school. Close to 21% of the student ESA participants were entering kindergarten students.
Thanks
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