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Confirmed ...vouchers were a handout to wealthy.

So less that .5% of public school student population moved to private school. 87% of the vouchers went to students already attending private school or new kindergarteners who the vast majority were heading to private school anyway.

These numbers highlight what a freaking sham this policy is. It's not about providing a better education for public school students, it's about lining the pockets of religious entities and the people who support them.
It’s exactly what we all said it would be. Northern bitches repeatedly about a stadium for a public school but has no problem subsidizing a new car or the kids’ college educations for well to do families. This is just a grift. Republicans and their narrative don’t allow them to admit it. They are incapable of it.
 
No, I believe it’s entirely income dependent this first year, with the limit being raised each of the next two years.
300% of the poverty level or roughly $65K per year for a family of four is the first year income limit. Over $110K the 2nd year and no income requirements thereafter. It's a subsidy for the religious organizations and the people who support them.
 
LOL

I notice that public school employees really hate the idea of competition and the notion they might have to be responsive to consumers instead of a bureaucracy.

Can’t imagine why, if they genuinely felt secure in what they were offering the public, they fear public choice.
Tell me how private schools are going to accommodate every public school student.
 
LOL

I notice that public school employees really hate the idea of competition and the notion they might have to be responsive to consumers instead of a bureaucracy.

Can’t imagine why, if they genuinely felt secure in what they were offering the public, they fear public choice.
Wrong. My wife and I both work for public schools. Many of our friends work for public schools.

Put us on an even playing field and we are happy to compete. However, we can’t compete when we are asked to do things no private school would attempt even if they were given the funding to do it.
 
Two common sense requirements for accepting public money - meet public standards. I’m not sure why anyone would argue against those.

@thewop ???
Should University of Iowa accept anyone, and keep them as students, no matter how ill prepared they are scholastically or emotionally to do the level of work the University of Iowa expects?

Is your goal a school, or an asylum?
 
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Wrong. My wife and I both work for public schools. Many of our friends work for public schools.

Put us on an even playing field and we are happy to compete. However, we can’t compete when we are asked to do things no private school would attempt even if they were given the funding to do it.
Do you think students are on an even playing field? I don’t, that’s why I think a top down bureaucracy is a terrible way to meet their needs.

No small part of the reason bureaucracy responds poorly is that it isn’t incentivized to respond well.

First responsibility of the bureaucracy is to spend all of the budget.
The second responsibility is to do so in a way that won’t get you in trouble when there is an audit.

The first responsibility of a private firm is to stay in business.
The path to that for a private firm is to gain and maintain customers. How can it do so when customers are free to choose? By trying to meet the customer’s standards (not some third party you declare originator of ‘public standards’).
 
LOL...does Iowa guarantee an education to anyone over 16? Get outta here with that weak shit.
Would it be detrimental to the University of Iowa’s mission to accept anyone regardless of their scholastic ability?

I hope you don’t duck this too, but I’m afraid if our history is any guide you will refuse to answer.
 
Do you think students are on an even playing field? I don’t, that’s why I think a top down bureaucracy is a terrible way to meet their needs.

No small part of the reason bureaucracy responds poorly is that it isn’t incentivized to respond well.

First responsibility of the bureaucracy is to spend all of the budget.
The second responsibility is to do so in a way that won’t get you in trouble when there is an audit.

The first responsibility of a private firm is to stay in business.
The path to that for a private firm is to gain and maintain customers. How can it do so when customers are free to choose? By trying to meet the customer’s standards (not some third party you declare originator of ‘public standards’).
WTF is this nonsense? JFC - no one types more words and says nothing than you.
 
Would it be detrimental to the University of Iowa’s mission to accept anyone regardless of their scholastic ability?

I hope you don’t duck this too, but I’m afraid if our history is any guide you will refuse to answer.
LOL at you calling anyone out for not answering a question.

Does the U of Iowa have a mandated mission to provide education for everyone who has graduated high school?

Just a moronic take on your part.
 
Would it be detrimental to the University of Iowa’s mission to accept anyone regardless of their scholastic ability?

I hope you don’t duck this too, but I’m afraid if our history is any guide you will refuse to answer.
They. Don't. Have. To. What about that fact is confusing you? Your local public school, on the other hand, has to accept ANYONE under 16 who shows up who meets the residency requirements. Do you honestly NOT understand the difference?
 
Do you think students are on an even playing field? I don’t, that’s why I think a top down bureaucracy is a terrible way to meet their needs.

No small part of the reason bureaucracy responds poorly is that it isn’t incentivized to respond well.

First responsibility of the bureaucracy is to spend all of the budget.
The second responsibility is to do so in a way that won’t get you in trouble when there is an audit.

The first responsibility of a private firm is to stay in business.
The path to that for a private firm is to gain and maintain customers. How can it do so when customers are free to choose? By trying to meet the customer’s standards (not some third party you declare originator of ‘public standards’).
No students aren’t, thus the reason we adjust resources to respond to kids in need.

The rest of this is pointless drivel.
 
They. Don't. Have. To.
I didn’t ask if they had to.
You like answering questions that were not asked and avoiding them ones that were.


What about that fact is confusing you?

Nothing at all, and it’s not what I asked.
I asked you:

Would it be detrimental to the University of Iowa’s mission to accept anyone regardless of their scholastic ability?

Can you answer that question (add and answer any additional ones you want to, but quit skipping the question I actually asked you)

I knew you’d do this. It’s predictable.


Your local public school, on the other hand, has to accept ANYONE under 16 who shows up who meets the residency requirements. Do you honestly NOT understand the difference?
I do, what I’m stepping you toward is seeing the detriment in that policy.
Now answer the question I actually asked you.
 
Ha...

You need to get over yourself.
Nope. Point me to a private school that provides an engineering program that gave my middle kid a path to being a national merit finalist and helped him get into a top 5 engineering school for college, while providing a performing arts program that prepared my oldest kid to enter college ahead of his peers in music education, while providing a agriculture curriculum that has set my third kid on a path to go to a top tier agricultural school to study plant science/horticulture.

And allowed them a full roster of extra-curricular opportunities where they all won state championships.
 
LOL

I notice that public school employees really hate the idea of competition and the notion they might have to be responsive to consumers instead of a bureaucracy.

Can’t imagine why, if they genuinely felt secure in what they were offering the public, they fear public choice.
Again, you don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re 180 degrees off here.
 
Do you think students are on an even playing field? I don’t, that’s why I think a top down bureaucracy is a terrible way to meet their needs.

No small part of the reason bureaucracy responds poorly is that it isn’t incentivized to respond well.

First responsibility of the bureaucracy is to spend all of the budget.
The second responsibility is to do so in a way that won’t get you in trouble when there is an audit.

The first responsibility of a private firm is to stay in business.
The path to that for a private firm is to gain and maintain customers. How can it do so when customers are free to choose? By trying to meet the customer’s standards (not some third party you declare originator of ‘public standards’).
You keep bringing the ignorance. I told you to stop. Now you’re just rambling.
 
Nope. Point me to a private school that provides an engineering program that gave my middle kid a path to being a national merit finalist and helped him get into a top 5 engineering school for college, while providing a performing arts program that prepared my oldest kid to enter college ahead of his peers in music education, while providing a agriculture curriculum that has set my third kid on a path to go to a top tier agricultural school to study plant science/horticulture.

And allowed them a full roster of extra-curricular opportunities where they all won state championships.

Well, then what are you bitching about?
 
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I didn’t ask if they had to.
You like answering questions that were not asked and avoiding them ones that were.




Nothing at all, and it’s not what I asked.
I asked you:

Would it be detrimental to the University of Iowa’s mission to accept anyone regardless of their scholastic ability?

Can you answer that question (add and answer any additional ones you want to, but quit skipping the question I actually asked you)

I knew you’d do this. It’s predictable.



I do, what I’m stepping you toward is seeing the detriment in that policy.
Now answer the question I actually asked you.
You're an idiot.

The answer to your stupid question is not if the mission was to provide an education for every Iowa resident.
 
I remember when Republicans threatened to pull funding from the U of I unless they let more Iowa kids in. Basically lower your standards or else.

If you couldn't get in to Iowa without the state threatening funding, guess what, you aren't college material.
 
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I didn’t ask if they had to.
You like answering questions that were not asked and avoiding them ones that were.




Nothing at all, and it’s not what I asked.
I asked you:

Would it be detrimental to the University of Iowa’s mission to accept anyone regardless of their scholastic ability?

Can you answer that question (add and answer any additional ones you want to, but quit skipping the question I actually asked you)

I knew you’d do this. It’s predictable.



I do, what I’m stepping you toward is seeing the detriment in that policy.
Now answer the question I actually asked you.
I have literally no idea what point you think you're trying to make. If you think having to accept any student who shows up is detrimental to the mission of the school then eliminate that requirement for public schools. If public schools getting PUBLIC money have to accept any student and be held accountable then the same requirement should hold true for private schools accepting PUBLIC money to serve the SAME students.

Your strawman horseshit is pointless because you can't argue against the reality. Which is probably why you're posting pointless horseshit.
 
Private school students who were already paying for private school. Now they get it subsidized. Soon there will be no income requirements and likely not even a requirement to attend a school.

This has always been a subsidy for religious organizations and well to do people who support them.
So you admit to the fact that the 67% of current private school students were only given the money if they had a ‘need’ ?

Because this doesn’t fit your attempted narrative. It kinda sounds like you’re saying that kids whose parents were already sending them to private despite the fact they couldn’t afford to don’t deserve help?

Not all parochial students have rich parents. That’s the message I’m taking from this story. I’m glad they got the help.

I get it. You’re all in on taking money from taxpayers and forcing them to pay into a system that is failing by any measure. Choice isn’t in your vocabulary. I believe when you pay tax to support education it shouldn’t be to support only public school. You should be able to choose your school. Just as you do in college.

And yes, before you usually drag out your typical trope, I believe that the parochial school should have to measure and report. If I was the governor or a legislator, I would push for that. Every law has holes. This happens to be one here. But to use the old saying, I don’t think you throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I get it you’re a typical tax and spend liberal. I just don’t subscribe to that point of view.
 
Do you think giving students choice in college is worse than if everyone was assigned a college based on where they lived?
Confuse Chloe Moretz GIF
 
I have literally no idea what point you think you're trying to make.
Answer the question and we can get there.
Avoiding answering the question won’t help you to understand.

This is a question seeking your opinion:

Would it be detrimental to the University of Iowa’s mission to accept anyone regardless of their scholastic ability?
 
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