Bullshit. They have the same "choices" now that they had before.
Confirmed ...vouchers were a handout to wealthy.
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Not really. If this would have passed years ago when my kids were school aged I would have taken advantage of it. Yes, we always had the "choice" to send them to a private school but was it feasible for us then- no.
I'm not following, please explain. Are you saying you prefer your tax dollars going to schools that can exclude kids they don't want?
I had no option of where my tax dollars were being spent. Now I do.
Does that mean every option has to be perfect? That is for the parents to decide no?
Ahhh...so it's the responsibility of the Iowa taxpayer to make things "feasible" for you. Gotcha. That's socialism, btw.
I never asked them to. That's why we chose a public school. Like I said, I had a choice of saving more and cutting costs other places if we wanted to.
Ahhh...so you could have afforded private school. You just chose other options until the state of Iowa said they'd use tax dollars to fund your "choice". Hypocrisy is dripping from every post.
Did you pay $14,000 in Iowa state taxes? See...in the Iowa budget, 54% of the money goes to education (and preK-12 only gets 80% of that so I'm giving you a gift). You'd have to pay $14,000 in state taxes for 54% of that to equal your voucher. Maybe you did. If so, the idea that you couldn't afford private school tuition previously is total bullshit. More importantly, the people paying far, far less than that aren't redirecting THEIR tax dollars. Their using OTHER Iowans tax dollars. Do those people get a choice in where the kids they're paying for go to school?
They aren't required to be and many are not. The only requirement most have is to be in good standing with the church.
So a parent is guaranteed to get into the private school of their choice if they elect to use a voucher?
The answer is no. It's not the parent's choice, the school chooses who they want to accept.
100%. There isn't a private school out there who will take anyone who enrolls.
The private school can be equipped and still refuse entry. They get to pick and choose who they want. You don't see an issue with that if they are receiving taxpayer $$?
It's given a very, very few another choice. Only those who are chosen. This year 2100 out of 480,000. Less than 1%.
So because you were too poor to send your kids to private school you expected the State to subsidize you so you could? Even when you had a public school to attend for no additional cost?
Also, you realize if you had vouchers there was no guarantee your kids would be accepted, right?
So now it is you could afford it but chose not to. Yet you still want the handout. Got it.
I have stated this before...and will again.
I have been involved with our local Catholic Grade School since I was a student many, many years ago. I have been on the board and been the school board President. My kids also attended the public schools in our area after they were old enough. I still have one in High School. I was honest when this came out that I was not in support of it. First, I CHOSE to send my kids to our Catholic school. My tax dollars go to provide public education (and many other public services) for as many kids as we can. Second, I do not expect or want someone else to be burdened with paying for my decision not to send them to a public school.
Now, I will also tell you that our school, has NEVER turned a child away due to finances. We will accept any child that applies as long as there is room and we have the resources to help that child learn. Now, we do not get any special needs kids whose parents apply as our community knows that we are not equipped to help those children....no matter how bad we want to.
One final thing, our board has made the decision not to be apart of the Voucher program because of the perceived special treatment and because they want to be able to continue with true faith based education.
I have been involved with our local Catholic Grade School since I was a student many, many years ago. I have been on the board and been the school board President. My kids also attended the public schools in our area after they were old enough. I still have one in High School. I was honest when this came out that I was not in support of it. First, I CHOSE to send my kids to our Catholic school. My tax dollars go to provide public education (and many other public services) for as many kids as we can. Second, I do not expect or want someone else to be burdened with paying for my decision not to send them to a public school.
Now, I will also tell you that our school, has NEVER turned a child away due to finances. We will accept any child that applies as long as there is room and we have the resources to help that child learn. Now, we do not get any special needs kids whose parents apply as our community knows that we are not equipped to help those children....no matter how bad we want to.
One final thing, our board has made the decision not to be apart of the Voucher program because of the perceived special treatment and because they want to be able to continue with true faith based education.
No, not really. There are plenty of government programs that you can agree or not agree with how they are operated.
Hell, I didn't want $75 billion to go to Ukraine and I don't think that is right. Guess what, I still paid it and the recourse is to vote people out that you disagree on policy with. In 2020, Reynolds ran on this very issue so it is no surprise to anyone. She won re-election by almost 20 points. I would say that is pretty convincing victory. If people don't like her policy, they should vote her out.
Did you pay $14K in Iowa state taxes? Yes or no?
LOL - you could have saved time by just crying "Uncle".
Free loader. Get a job hippy.
No. Did you pay $288 million for the new bridge in QC. If not, I don't want you driving on it.
The United States provides free public education for everyone regardless of income, race, sex, etc. Everyone pays so everyone benefits. The Ukraine situation is nothing like education. A better comparison would be another public service like the police department. We all pay for our community services, but what would happen if instead people could get a voucher and choose to instead of supporting the local emergency services opt to use that money for private security. Would you be happy with your tax dollars paying for private security for those that qualified for the private services, thus taking away money from the police that are required to serve everyone?
Does the bridge have the right to refuse a driver for any reason it chooses?
Its not free.
Again, this is part of what it means to live in a republic- not a democracy. You vote for people to represent you with policy you agree with. If you don't like it, you get to vote for someone else.
lol…I’m not the one claiming MY tax dollars are funding MY voucher, hypocrite. That’s you. Your taxes don’t come close to covering the cost of your voucher. You’re sucking on the tax dollars of other Iowans. You claim that somehow gives you “choice”. Do those other taxpayers funding your looting of public education money get a say in what school you “choose”? I would hazard that they’re paying the bulk of your bill.
It's provided as part of being a citizen, all tax payers contribute and everyone is entitled to the benefits. That's not true for private schools, not everyone can benefit. You didn't answer my question about police services, would you okay with people receiving vouchers for private security thus taking funds away from law enforcement that serves everyone?
Which demonstrates the hypocrisy of the originalists on the Court. But that's a different discussion.
This is the part where dumbasses like you resort to "if you don't like it, vote them out" because you have no valid argument to support the policy.
A Republic is a form of Democracy. How do you not know this? We are a democratic republic.
You don't even understand the reasoning behind the Students First Act, let alone know anything about the current Supreme Court.
Hey @Pinehawk what was so funny about me pointing out that it's no just parent's tax money being used for vouchers? You made a big point about that the last time I was involved in this discussion. Today you liked the comment from a poster claiming just that while laughing at my post pointing out all Iowa tax payers contribute.
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I can’t make sense of what you’re ranting about here.
But, I was probably laughing at your continued insistence that individual taxes can be directed or must equal benefits received. That’s not how it works and most people know that. But, maybe not you I guess.
But, I was probably laughing at your continued insistence that individual taxes can be directed or must equal benefits received. That’s not how it works and most people know that. But, maybe not you I guess.
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