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shoot_the_three said:
Doesn't getting paid by an NFL team make you an NFL player? I consider myself an employee of the company that I work for because they pay me.
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A player gets drafted. Is the first person cut at camp. Tells someone he used to be an NFL player. Person asks him what team he played for. Answer: oh I never played. I got drafted.
I would say actually participating in a practice and being listed on a roster at some point makes you and nfl player.
One more thing. If rudock decided screw this I'm going to enter the Healthcare field instead of football, was he a former nfl player because he was drafted?
 
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BuckRussel said:
A player gets drafted. Is the first person cut at camp. Tells someone he used to be an NFL player. Person asks him what team he played for. Answer: oh I never played. I got drafted.
I would say actually participating in a practice and being listed on a roster at some point makes you and nfl player.
One more thing. If rudock decided screw this I'm going to enter the Healthcare field instead of football, was he a former nfl player because he was drafted?
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The point of the post is that JR was good enough to be drafted and whether he makes a team or not that is an amazing accomplishment. Can you admit that. Hell starting 2 years at Iowa and winning 10 games at Michigan itself is an accomplishment. I just felt that JR got way to much blame when he was here and even more so when he decided to leave, I figured when he was welcomed with open arms at the most winningest program in history people would admit that we had a legit QB controversy and that didn't happen. Then I thought when he was able to win the starting job it might, but no. And then when he put up some more than solid #'s and 10 wins I figured ok maybe now, but of course no. And even now, being drafted people still can't admit it. Being that Iowa has had a total of 5 Qb's drafted since 1970 and 1 during KF entire tenure I would say that a congrats is in order, but I guess you feel like hating on a young man chasing his dreams is the right thing to do.
 
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I can't believe I'm even going to reply to this, but maybe it will help.

I'm an old guy. In the late 40's, my father was drafted by the Green Bay Packers, the Chicago Bears, the New York Football Yankees and the Baltimore Colts. The Montgomery paper had just singled him out as the defensive MVP of the Blue-Grey game, he got a great bonus ($500-it was HUGE then), and signed with the Colts. He practiced with them, played in exhibition games, and in one of them, he was hit by a purposeful (later illegal) flying tackle behind his knee, and it shredded his MCL and ACL, and ripped a tendon loose. This was decades before the surgeries available now, so the best they could do was to drill holes in the bones, harvest other materials from his body, thread them through the holes and tie them together. He never played again.

But seven or eight years later, when I wrote as a young boy for photos of the Colt players of the 50's, the front office always sent them to me - Lenny Moore, Johnny Unitas, Alan Ameche, Big Daddy Lipscomb, and more - and they always took great pains to say that it was their pleasure to send them to a member of the Baltimore Colt Pro Football Family.

It certainly wasn't the NFL, because Baltimore was in the old All-American Football League. By your reasoning, did my father never become a pro football player?

Funny, because he was celebrated for it through most of his life, and when he was inducted into the Circle of Honor at Arkansas State University almost 25 years ago, his citation stated very clearly that he was the first ASU player in history to make it to play professional football.

And when I went to the Green Bay Packer Hall of History at Lambeau Field eight years ago, my father's name was inscribed among the other draftees as part of the history of the Packers, too.

So hurray for Jake Rudock (and for Austin Blythe, too, and for all the Hawks who will sign Free Agent contracts in the next few days). We nurtured Jake and he gave us the best he had; then he had the second best yardage year for a quarterback in the history of Michigan football. Austin gave us everything, and so did the other guys who together led us to 12-0 last year, and who will be doing their level best to land FA contracts now.

What kind of human are you to try to deny them the credit and the joy they deserve for such amazing accomplishments?
 
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milehighhawkeye24 said:
The point of the post is that JR was good enough to be drafted and whether he makes a team or not that is an amazing accomplishment. Can you admit that. Hell starting 2 years at Iowa and winning 10 games at Michigan itself is an accomplishment. I just felt that JR got way to much blame when he was here and even more so when he decided to leave, I figured when he was welcomed with open arms at the most winningest program in history people would admit that we had a legit QB controversy and that didn't happen. Then I thought when he was able to win the starting job it might, but no. And then when he put up some more than solid #'s and 10 wins I figured ok maybe now, but of course no. And even now, being drafted people still can't admit it. Being that Iowa has had a total of 5 Qb's drafted since 1970 and 1 during KF entire tenure I would say that a congrats is in order, but I guess you feel like hating on a young man chasing his dreams is the right thing to do.
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How did I hate on him in this thread?
 
ukrainehawk said:
I can't believe I'm even going to reply to this, but maybe it will help.

I'm an old guy. In the late 40's, my father was drafted by the Green Bay Packers, the Chicago Bears, the New York Football Yankees and the Baltimore Colts. The Montgomery paper had just singled him out as the defensive MVP of the Blue-Grey game, he got a great bonus ($500-it was HUGE then), and signed with the Colts. He practiced with them, played in exhibition games, and in one of them, he was hit by a purposeful (later illegal) flying tackle behind his knee, and it shredded his MCL and ACL, and ripped a tendon loose. This was decades before the surgeries available now, so the best they could do was to drill holes in the bones, harvest other materials from his body, thread them through the holes and tie them together. He never played again.

But seven or eight years later, when I wrote as a young boy for photos of the Colt players of the 50's, the front office always sent them to me - Lenny Moore, Johnny Unitas, Alan Ameche, Big Daddy Lipscomb, and more - and they always took great pains to say that it was their pleasure to send them to a member of the Baltimore Colt Pro Football Family.

It certainly wasn't the NFL, because Baltimore was in the old All-American Football League. By your reasoning, did my father never become a pro football player?

Funny, because he was celebrated for it through most of his life, and when he was inducted into the Circle of Honor at Arkansas State University almost 25 years ago, his citation stated very clearly that he was the first ASU player in history to make it to play professional football.

And when I went to the Green Bay Packer Hall of History at Lambeau Field eight years ago, my father's name was inscribed among the other draftees as part of the history of the Packers, too.

So hurray for Jake Rudock (and for Austin Blythe, too, and for all the Hawks who will sign Free Agent contracts in the next few days). We nurtured Jake and he gave us the best he had; then he had the second best yardage year for a quarterback in the history of Michigan football. Austin gave us everything, and so did the other guys who together led us to 12-0 last year, and who will be doing their level best to land FA contracts now.

What kind of human are you to try to deny them the credit and the joy they deserve for such amazing accomplishments?
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Me posting on a message board is denying him joy? This one of the single dumbest things I've ever read.
 
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He got drafted by an NFL team. That means he's on an NFL roster and he's getting payed by an NFL team. If he's not an NFL player, what is he? His job title would be an NFL player.
 
BuckRussel said:
How did I hate on him in this thread?
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Can you admit that being drafted is an amazing accomplishment, that JR is/was good QB, or that Iowa did in fact have a legit QB controversy. Or maybe even give props to staff for identifying and bringing in 2 NFL QB's I consecutive years.
You are trying to argue that a player who just got drafted is not an NFL player, how is that not hating? Better question, how can you not see how stupid you look trying to make that argument
 
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milehighhawkeye24 said:
Can you admit that being drafted is an amazing accomplishment, that JR is/was good QB, or that Iowa did in fact have a legit QB controversy. Or maybe even give props to staff for identifying and bringing in 2 NFL QB's I consecutive years.
You are trying to argue that a player who just got drafted is not an NFL player, how is that not hating? Better question, how can you not see how stupid you look trying to make that argument
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I thought he was a mediocre qb. How is arguing whether getting drafted makes you an NFL player hating on someone?
 
milehighhawkeye24 said:
So a scholarship athlete on the Iowa football team is a possible college athlete? By your logic i guess????
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If he is on scholarship and on the football team then no, he's not a possible college athlete. He is a college athlete. Has rudock made it on any team yet? Last I knew that's all decided after all cuts are made.
 
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BuckRussel said:
If he is on scholarship and on the football team then no, he's not a possible college athlete. He is a college athlete. Has rudock made it on any team yet? Last I knew that's all decided after all cuts are made.
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BuckRussel said:
I thought he was a mediocre qb. How is arguing whether getting drafted makes you an NFL player hating on someone?
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but a mediocre QB doesn't start for 3 years for 2 separate big ten programs and a mediocre QB certainly doesn't get drafted.....it a appears the only thing that is medicre is your ability to evaluate a QB
 
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milehighhawkeye24 said:
Can you admit that being drafted is an amazing accomplishment, that JR is/was good QB, or that Iowa did in fact have a legit QB controversy. Or maybe even give props to staff for identifying and bringing in 2 NFL QB's I consecutive years.
You are trying to argue that a player who just got drafted is not an NFL player, how is that not hating? Better question, how can you not see how stupid you look trying to make that argument
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It's not hating...it's a difference of opinion and obviously this is pointless to argue about.

To me (and clearly others), one must PLAY in a REAL NFL(reg or postseason) game to be considered an NFL player. "the rudy rule" I guess you can call it....

In baseball, is a guy an MLB player if he never makes it past 1a? He was drafted by an MLB team. To me no, to you maybe yes. Oh well...
 
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BuckRussel said:
If he is on scholarship and on the football team then no, he's not a possible college athlete. He is a college athlete. Has rudock made it on any team yet? Last I knew that's all decided after all cuts are made.
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I understand what you are saying, however; there are many players that make a living by "playing" in the NFL without making the 55 man roster (practice squad, etc) much like that scholarship athlete that doesn't see the field in his 4 years: practices and scouts up etc. None the less, my congrats still stands- he fulfilled every football players dream by being drafted into the NFL and i just figured even though he didn't finish at Iowa it would be proper to send the young man a congrats
 
So what if you make the final cut but like Stanzi have never played in a regular season NFL game. Are you an NFL player then? I mean you have never played in a real game.
 
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H4wkfan4life said:
It's not hating...it's a difference of opinion and obviously this is pointless to argue about.

To me (and clearly others), one must PLAY in a REAL NFL(reg or postseason) game to be considered an NFL player. "the rudy rule" I guess you can call it....

In baseball, is a guy an MLB player if he never makes it past 1a? He was drafted by an MLB team. To me no, to you maybe yes. Oh well...
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considering there are 40 rounds in MLB with 25 man rosters and 7 rounds in NFL and 55 man roster that is pretty apples-oranges argument. I understand what you are all saying, but damn a simple good for him for being drafted is even scrutinized
 
milehighhawkeye24 said:
So a scholarship athlete on the Iowa football team is a possible college athlete? By your logic i guess????
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I wouldn't consider a high school athlete that signed a LOI to play college athletics a college athlete until he or she has actually started attending classes and practicing. Why in da hehl would I consider a college fb player that got drafted an NFL player before they've even attended an NFL practice or meeting? Congrats to JR for getting drafted, but in no way should he be considered an NFL player, yet.
 
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WORTHYWISH said:
I wouldn't consider a high school athlete that signed a LOI to play college athletics a college athlete until he or she has actually started attending classes and practicing. Why in da hehl would I consider a college fb player that got drafted an NFL player before they've even attended an NFL practice or meeting? Congrats to JR for getting drafted, but in no way should he be considered an NFL player, yet.
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Ok, not NFL player yet. But as I said, getting drafted is remarkable accomplishment
 
A whole argument about semantics....nice. JR will participate in training camp and the preseason. I believe people were implying that when saying he is an NFL player, not just saying that because he was drafted. The argument seems to be more between being on a roster vs. being on a practice squad for consideration as an NFL player. If a player under contract ever practices with an NFL teams, he is an NFL player. Anybody who argues they aren't until they are on a regular season roster is an idiot.
 
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If you join the air force, and you go to basic training, your an airman whether you graduate basic or not. If Rudock goes to training camp, he's an NFL player whether he makes the team or is cut. That shouldn't be too hard for people to figure out, of course people have trouble figuring out which bathroom to pee in.
 
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A whole argument about semantics....nice. JR will participate in training camp and the preseason. I believe people were implying that when saying he is an NFL player, not just saying that because he was drafted. The argument seems to be more between being on a roster vs. being on a practice squad for consideration as an NFL player. If a player under contract ever practices with an NFL teams, he is an NFL player. Anybody who argues they aren't until they are on a regular season roster is an idiot.
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Thank You!.............boy reading some of these posts really explains the negativity you see on here.
 
If you want to call him a NFL player or not it doesn't matter. At best he has a NFL career like Stanzi. Probably gets cut maybe makes the practice squad. Completely wasted pick by the Lions.
 
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hawkcub said:
If you want to call him a NFL player or not it doesn't matter. At best he has a NFL career like Stanzi. Probably gets cut maybe makes the practice squad. Completely wasted pick by the Lions.
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Exactly! 2 or 3 years from now, he'll either be in med school or a somebody's back-up in the CFL.
 
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hawkcub said:
If you want to call him a NFL player or not it doesn't matter. At best he has a NFL career like Stanzi. Probably gets cut maybe makes the practice squad. Completely wasted pick by the Lions.
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Being teams only carry 2 or 3 Qb's total on its roster there is no shame what so ever in that. That means you are the top 60-90 QB's in the entire world. If you are a career backup in the NFL you are a pretty damn good QB and also a hell of a lot more financially stable than 90% of us on this board. Hell if you are a practice squad QB in the NFL you are a damn good QB, if you are a back up QB at a D1 school you are a damn good QB. We are talking about a 3 year starter in the Big Ten, with over 25 career wins, one of the best statistical years at Michigan who got drafted.....not to shabby
 
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Suterman said:
I hope Jake kicks ass in the NFL. He's a great kid and a fine Quarterback.
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Amen to this. I hope nothing but the best for this fine young man that represented Iowa well. I don't get the hate being spewed by some on here. Oh well, the haters will never have the career or the success jake will see in his lifetime. Onward and upward jake.
 
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milehighhawkeye24 said:
Being teams only carry 2 or 3 Qb's total on its roster there is no shame what so ever in that. That means you are the top 60-90 QB's in the entire world. If you are a career backup in the NFL you are a pretty damn good QB and also a hell of a lot more financially stable than 90% of us on this board. Hell if you are a practice squad QB in the NFL you are a damn good QB, if you are a back up QB at a D1 school you are a damn good QB. We are talking about a 3 year starter in the Big Ten, with over 25 career wins, one of the best statistical years at Michigan who got drafted.....not to shabby
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You are missing the point. Good for him he had a good(not great) college career. The NFL is a business and the Lions wasted a pick on a guy that is probably not going to help their team. He has shown at the college level where some of his difficiencies lie.
 
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hawkcub said:
This isn't about hate he has issues that make it a bad pick by the Lions. 6th and 7th round picks are for guys that can play but aren't


You are missing the point. Good for him he had a good(not great) college career. The NFL is a business and the Lions wasted a pick on a guy that is probably not going to help their team. He has shown at the college level where some of his difficiencies lie.
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Most if not all 6th-7th round picks have "perceived" deficiencies, which is why they didn't go in a higher round.....however, I would emphasize the word perceived there. B/C much like recruiting many players are much better than what they are perceived to be.....it is comical to look back and see what "experts" said about players like Tom Brady and Terrell Davis as opposed to "sure things" like Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell.....
 
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I'm looking at this as the paid professionals are the talent evaluators for the Lions. Those who have never made a dime working for an NFL team evaluating talent probably don't have the same level of skill. If you do when you're on an NFL teams payroll I'll give equal consideration to your views.
 
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mazda1 said:
I'm looking at this as the paid professionals are the talent evaluators for the Lions. Those who have never made a dime working for an NFL team evaluating talent probably don't have the same level of skill. If you do when you're on an NFL teams payroll I'll give equal consideration to your views.
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Posted right after someone points to some of the NFL's worst draft decisions. Lmfao
 
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mazda1 said:
I'm looking at this as the paid professionals are the talent evaluators for the Lions. Those who have never made a dime working for an NFL team evaluating talent probably don't have the same level of skill. If you do when you're on an NFL teams payroll I'll give equal consideration to your views.
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I was.
 
Buck, pretty cool. What team and what timeframe? What do you identify as your biggest success and biggest miss?
 
I wonder how much he would have played last year for us with CJ injured

wish him well and great to see him get his chance
 
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