Convicted felon and known gang member murders Omaha police officer

[What Would Jesus Do?]

So (God forbid) if you are confronted by a person with a gun, would you rather have a gun to defend yourself or just stand there and watch you and\or your family get shot?

Most people are quite happy with the idea of having a gun. For just the kind of reason you suggest.

It's the idea of OTHER PEOPLE HAVING GUNS that causes us concerns.

So . . . if we didn't have the 2nd amendment, what compromise would a wise society come up with? We'd still be a society that teethed on cowboys and Indians and graduated to a culture that probably has more cop/crook/war shows on TV than any other genre. So we aren't Sweden. But what would we do?

How can we make it easy for the good guys to have a gun and hard for the bad guys to have a gun?

 

[22*43*51]

When someone who defends bad cops holds up the tragic death of one of the good ones - in a transparent effort to reframe or distract from the bad acts of some cops that have been in the news, that comparison deserves all the derision we can heap upon it.

Who was defending bad cops?

 

[Arbitr8]

Reading my post again, a day later, I don't think that is what I said, or certainly not what I intended. I was saying, it doesn't matter that she was a LEO. It only matters to mention it, because she was, in fact working. Whereas in your situation there would be no reason to mention it. "Mother killed driving child to soccer practice."

You seem to be echoing my exact point: The fact that she was a police officer does not make this MORE tragic. If this had happened to any profession, such as janitor (example I used earlier), or in your example not a profession but a mother-driving-to-soccer it is equally tragic. Thanks for the input.

It does certainly matter that she was a LEO.

 

[theIowaHawk]

It does certainly matter that she was a LEO.

That is my overall point: Why?

 

[theIowaHawk]

You're wrong, that wasn't what I was referring to which is why you didn't highlight the words "of truly innocent people" but keep changing the subject. I used this as an example to prove my point which you clearly either missed or are choosing to ignore to argue semantics. The fact is you'd rather get all lathered up and freak out when the rare cases of career criminals being abused by cops happen vs. cases like this when truly innocent victims, trying to lead positive lives that contribute to society, get killed by the same type of worthless career criminals. Ask yourself why and get back to us.

Oh goodness, I couldn't responded more on point. Everyone can see what you said, what you intended, and you are still lying about it. Good luck with your insanity, feel free to keep claiming things about me that are clearly untrue and unsubstantiated. Or, spend your weekend combing this forum to support your drivel that, I'd "rather get all lathered up and freak out when the rare cases of career criminals being abused by cops happen vs. cases like this when truly innocent victims," it will take you the whole weekend to find nothing.

 

[Pepperman]

How can we make it easy for the good guys to have a gun and hard for the bad guys to have a gun?

A good post in general and hard to disagree.

I'll offer an idea - repeat offenders could be executed or at least forced to spend more time in jail. I'd much rather spend money on bigger jails to house these thugs for their lives than pay them welfare benefits.

 

[Arbitr8]

That is my overall point: Why?

Why? Murdering a LEO is murder to the 10th degree. Scum that do that should get the death penalty. No comparison to any other crime.

 

[ClarindaA's]

Why? Murdering a LEO is murder to the 10th degree. Scum that do that should get the death penalty. No comparison to any other crime.

Not all cops are equal. If it was a home invasion by police, and they had the wrong home, I wouldn't hold the homeowner responsible for shooting. This situation, the person doing the shooting of the officer was a piece of shit.

 

[lou loomis]

Then that supports us all getting killed by guns which sounds pretty great to me. What does the bible say about guns?? Maybe we should go on that book since it shoul matter more than a old piece of paper that slave holders did!!

Thomas Barnes, you poor man. Guns (and, believe it or not, dinosaurs) weren't around in the era of the Bible. Slingstones and archery were, however.

King David launched a stone at Goliath's head because he was too big of a weenie to fight him like a man. We should condemn King David's choice to bear stones.

 

[theIowaHawk]

Why? Murdering a LEO is murder to the 10th degree. Scum that do that should get the death penalty. No comparison to any other crime.

Really? To the tenth degree? More so than say:
Fireman
Teacher
Clergy
Elected official
Doctor
Coach
Military member
??

This is serious, right?

 

[theIowaHawk]

Not all cops are equal. If it was a home invasion by police, and they had the wrong home, I wouldn't hold the homeowner responsible for shooting. This situation, the person doing the shooting of the officer was a piece of shit.

Certainly no disagreement from me.

 

[Mattski]

Oh goodness, I couldn't responded more on point. Everyone can see what you said, what you intended, and you are still lying about it. Good luck with your insanity, feel free to keep claiming things about me that are clearly untrue and unsubstantiated. Or, spend your weekend combing this forum to support your drivel that, I'd "rather get all lathered up and freak out when the rare cases of career criminals being abused by cops happen vs. cases like this when truly innocent victims," it will take you the whole weekend to find nothing.

No need to, I know what I wrote and what it clearly said. It's also clear you're arguing this point to avoid being confronted by the fact you'll scream and cry over the next mike brown and ignore the next 7 yr old girl shot on a street corner by a stray bullet from a gang banger. No different than Al and Jesse and the rest of the race baiting pos' out there.

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

Why? Murdering a LEO is murder to the 10th degree. Scum that do that should get the death penalty. No comparison to any other crime.

I disagree. I see no reason why murder of a LEO is somehow worse than murder of a neighbor.

And as far as other crimes, terrorism, committing multiple homicides in 1 event, and criminal sexual assault, particularly of children, are all comparable imo.

 

[ClarindaA's]

I disagree. I see no reason why murder of a LEO is somehow worse than murder of a neighbor.

And as far as other crimes, terrorism, committing multiple homicides in 1 event, and criminal sexual assault, particularly of children, are all comparable imo.

The perpetrators of all those should die, slowly

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

The perpetrators of all those should die, slowly

I'm not a supporter of the death penalty because of the way it is administered and I personally think that life in prison then dying is a worse sentence, but if we fully funded the attorneys representing those we try to seek the death penalty against, I don't have a big problem with the death penalty in the LEO, multiple homicide, and terrorism contexts.

And apparently, if your last name is Duggar, the 4th category gets you a television show, 4 months of counseling, a prayer group, and your father doesn't call the police, except to have a State Trooper friend give you a stern talking to.

 

[HRiscool]

I'm not a supporter of the death penalty because of the way it is administered and I personally think that life in prison then dying is a worse sentence, but if we fully funded the attorneys representing those we try to seek the death penalty against, I don't have a big problem with the death penalty in the LEO, multiple homicide, and terrorism contexts.

And apparently, if your last name is Duggar, the 4th category gets you a television show, 4 months of counseling, a prayer group, and your father doesn't call the police, except to have a State Trooper friend give you a stern talking to.

I respect your right to form your own beliefs. But you know there is a way to prove that theory wrong. If life in prison was worse than death, then you wouldn't have 99.99999% of death row prisoners spending all their energy trying to escape the death sentence.

“A liberal’s paradise would be a place where
everybody has guaranteed employment, free
comprehensive healthcare, free education, free food,
free housing, free clothing, free utilities, and only law
enforcement has guns. And believe it or not, such a place
does indeed already exist: It's called Prison."

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

I respect your right to form your own beliefs. But you know there is a way to prove that theory wrong. If life in prison was worse than death, then you wouldn't have 99.99999% of death row prisoners spending all their energy trying to escape the death sentence.

It's not a theory. It's my personal belief. You disagree. That's cool.

 

[theIowaHawk]

The perpetrators of all those should die, slowly

Why slowly? It's not like they can learn their lesson.

Also, per usual STL is correct.

 

[theIowaHawk]

Don't know many police that are anti second amendment

First, I've made it clear I'm a 2A supporter, second, I'm not sure I agree with you.

Certainly they are in favor of their own 2A, but they, in my experience, harass those they see with firearms on a continual basis. If they even think you have a gun they take it to a whole other level of 5/0-ness.

 

[theIowaHawk]

STL: my thought on DP is that it should be voluntary, like euthanasia, which I approve of.
I've already said DP doesn't work, and I don't think society should kill, especially in response to killing, but you raise a valid point re: life in prison. So, at a minimum, there should be a choice.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Who was defending bad cops?

Have you already forgotten all the death-by-cop tragedies of the last year? Baltimore, NYC, Ferguson, and many more.

 

[Thomas Barnes]

You want the police to go to every house in a tank and remove the guns, but Obama just said that he wasn't going to allow military vehicles to police departments anymore. There goes that theory.

No!! I mean Obama can just use the army and go one state at a time.

 

[ClarindaA's]

First, I've made it clear I'm a 2A supporter, second, I'm not sure I agree with you.

Certainly they are in favor of their own 2A, but they, in my experience, harass those they see with firearms on a continual basis. If they even think you have a gun they take it to a whole other level of 5/0-ness.

Not true...many police officers, deputies, and national guard are NRA members, hunters, and don't harass legal gun owners. Your experience may be different.

 

[ClarindaA's]

Have you already forgotten all the death-by-cop tragedies of the last year? Baltimore, NYC, Ferguson, and many more.

Hey asshole, Darren Wilson was justified
The Baltimore and NYC cops are unforgivable

 

[ClarindaA's]

No!! I mean Obama can just use the army and go one state at a time.

Yah, if he wants to start a revolution

 

[gohawks50]

There were plenty of other pictures available but by all means don't let the facts get in your way.

The sad thing is that you and others think how attractive she was depicted has some bearing on the tragedy of this case. The photo Flick posted was the first available and the one used on every Omaha TV station. Who cares whether she was a runway model or not, she lost her life doing her job!

 

[Guido Sarducci]

Reading my post again, a day later, I don't think that is what I said, or certainly not what I intended. I was saying, it doesn't matter that she was a LEO. It only matters to mention it, because she was, in fact working. Whereas in your situation there would be no reason to mention it. "Mother killed driving child to soccer practice."

You seem to be echoing my exact point: The fact that she was a police officer does not make this MORE tragic. If this had happened to any profession, such as janitor (example I used earlier), or in your example not a profession but a mother-driving-to-soccer it is equally tragic. Thanks for the input.

I disagree. As a former journalist, details such as those ARE important for the story. Good journalists find the details and relay them, and they can make or break a story. Do you remember hearing what Traveon Martin was wearing the night he died?....... a hooded sweatshirt. Do you remember being told what his last meal was?.......... skittles. Neither are particularly relevant (certainly less than the mom's destination in my example), but both help paint a picture.

My point is that you seemed to take issue with the OP including an important detail, that the person shot was an officer, and it was in the line of duty. There doesn't need to be any hidden agenda behind it, it's just an important detail.

 

[Thomas Barnes]

Yah, if he wants to start a revolution

You would fight the army if they showed up to take the guns?? I would if I have guns!!

 

[theIowaHawk]

Not true...many police officers, deputies, and national guard are NRA members, hunters, and don't harass legal gun owners. Your experience may be different.

I'm sure they are NRA members and hunters, you missed my point.

The concern is when they decide the "legal" part. They, often, see a guy with a gun as an enemy.

 

[theIowaHawk]

I disagree. As a former journalist, details such as those ARE important for the story. Good journalists find the details and relay them, and they can make or break a story. Do you remember hearing what Traveon Martin was wearing the night he died?....... a hooded sweatshirt. Do you remember being told what his last meal was?.......... skittles. Neither are particularly relevant (certainly less than the mom's destination in my example), but both help paint a picture.

My point is that you seemed to take issue with the OP including an important detail, that the person shot was an officer, and it was in the line of duty. There doesn't need to be any hidden agenda behind it, it's just an important detail.

Have you read the rest of the thread? Posters, like Arby, have clearly demonstrated what I brought up. Killing a cop is more tragic to them, and that is what I was saying I don't get.

It was certainly an important part for the story, I never questioned that.

 

[Arbitr8]

That is my overall point: Why?

Unlike you or I she had taken an oath to protect and serve, when you murder a police officer in cold blood you have taken it to another level.

You obviously will never be able to comprehend that as evidenced by your 3 day rant on the subject.

 

[Arbitr8]

Really? To the tenth degree? More so than say:
Fireman
Teacher
Clergy
Elected official
Doctor
Coach
Military member
??

This is serious, right?

Correct

 

[theIowaHawk]

Unlike you or I she had taken an oath to protect and serve, when you murder a police officer in cold blood you have taken it to another level.

You obviously will never be able to comprehend that as evidenced by your 3 day rant on the subject.

Funny, LEOs are the only ones you think take an "oath to serve". Feel free to your stance? It's a strange one.

Glad you will protect someone with 8 weeks of schooling more than the others...

 

[Arbitr8]

Funny, LEOs are the only ones you think take an "oath to serve". Feel free to your stance? It's a strange one.

Glad you will protect someone with 8 weeks of schooling more than the others...

Blah blah blah your mutterings are nonsensical.

 

[theIowaHawk]

Blah blah blah your mutterings are nonsensical.

Are you saying that others, including those on my list, none of them swear an "oath" and to serve?

 

[Arbitr8]

Have you already forgotten all the death-by-cop tragedies of the last year? Baltimore, NYC, Ferguson, and many more.

Liberal gibberish! None of the above were tragedies.

 

[Arbitr8]

Really? To the tenth degree? More so than say:
Fireman
Teacher
Clergy
Elected official
Doctor
Coach
Military member
??

This is serious, right?

So what you said was the murder of Martin Luther King and JFK was no more tragic than the murder of your mullet wearing unemployed neighbor down the street?

Right?

 

[theIowaHawk]

So what you said was the murder of Martin Luther King and JFK was no more tragic than the murder of your mullet wearing unemployed neighbor down the street?

Right?

You have completely lost yourself, which of those was your hallowed police officer?

You realize I listed both of those things, and you still think a cop should be higher on murder import...right?

 

[Arbitr8]

You have completely lost yourself, which of those was your hallowed police officer?

You realize I listed both of those things, and you still think a cop should be higher on murder import...right?

Answer my question Ace, just answer the question.

 

[theIowaHawk]

Answer my question Ace, just answer the question.

Good lord you are a joke, I always knew you waded in the shallow end, but I still fell for it.

Of course that would be "more of a tragedy".

I would love to see how you compare that to this, or to your original comments.