Covid vaccines linked to saving millions of American lives per Brown University.

[BrianNole777]

Wow. I'm glad I received 6 covid vaccines as my Doctors recommended.

COVID-19 vaccination campaign saved 2.4 million lives, according to health economists

A working paper by researchers from the University of Southern California and Brown University analyzed the global impacts of COVID-19 vaccines.

www.brown.edu

 

[Joes Place]

Wait.....Pfizer and Moderna didn't write this up??? 😉

 

[Finance85]

It's amazing, really, that Brown's study came up with the exact number of lives saved cited by 2 other studies.

It's also amazing the study was funded by the NIH, Grant Number R01AG073286, as well as others. I'm sure there's no conflict of interest there.

 

[Joes Place]

It's amazing, really, that Brown's study came up with the exact number of lives saved cited by 2 other studies.

Exact?

What other two studies?

I don't see where this was funded by any vaccine manufacturers. Maybe you could link that.

 

[Joes Place]

It's also amazing the study was funded by the NIH, Grant Number R01AG073286, as well as others. I'm sure there's no conflict of interest there.

Is NIH making money off the vaccines? Where's the "conflict of interest" you refer to?

Email the authors, yourself if you think they had a conflict. Post back what they tell you.

 

[Funky Bunch]

It's amazing, really, that Brown's study came up with the exact number of lives saved cited by 2 other studies.

It's also amazing the study was funded by the NIH, Grant Number R01AG073286, as well as others. I'm sure there's no conflict of interest there.

Stick to finance. Oh wait, don't do that either.

 

[Finance85]

Exact?

What other two studies?

I don't see where this was funded by any vaccine manufacturers. Maybe you could link that.

Learn to read.

 

[Finance85]

Stick to finance. Oh wait, don't do that either.

I got my information from the study,

 

[Joes Place]

Learn to read.

Learn to post.

What "other" studies came up with "Exact" numbers compared to this one?

 

[Joes Place]

It's also amazing the study was funded by the NIH, Grant Number R01AG073286

It was funded under the National Institute on Aging

NOT any "vaccine-related" departments of the NIH.

 

[IAFB2021Champs]

Is NIH making money off the vaccines? Where's the "conflict of interest" you refer to?

Email the authors, yourself if you think they had a conflict. Post back what they tell you.

I didn’t see an email address listed.
I also find it interesting that an article can say it saved x amount of lives. Do they live in another world exactly the same as this one where they didn’t give out the covid vaccine so they could figure out that number?

I just save 2 people’s lives by posting on this thread. You’re welcome people that I saved.

 

[Joes Place]

I didn’t see an email address listed.
I also find it interesting that an article can say it saved x amount of lives.

Maybe you could read their analysis methods...

 

[Joes Place]

Meanwhile....prior infection with Covid is pretty much useless against the circulating variant...

Protection of natural infection against reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 JN.1 variant

This study investigated the effectiveness of natural infection in preventing reinfection with the JN.1 variant during a large JN.1 wave in Qatar, using a test-negative case-control study design. The overall effectiveness of previous infection in preventing reinfection with JN.1 was estimated at...

www.medrxiv.org

The findings show that the protection of natural infection against reinfection with JN.1 is strong only among those who were infected within the last 6 months, with variants such as XBB*. However, this protection wanes rapidly and is entirely lost one year after the previous infection. The findings support considerable immune evasion by JN.1.

 

[Obviously Oblivious]

First day back at work after being out for 5-6 days from my first ever COVID infection. I'm gladly vaccinated so I suspect my symptoms were less severe as a result.

 

[Hawk_82]

A lot of things can be true all at the same time.

The covid vaccine likely saved lives in 2021. Older people who got covid in 2021 tended not to die if they were vaccinated.

I also think the NIH has a bias related to covid due to Fauci. Although this doesn't necessarily make the article invalid.

After omicron hit, the vaccine has been minimally effective at best.

If they claimed the vaccine saved kids or <40 yo peoples lives, then I would dismiss the article's validity.

The covid vaccine may/likely have caused more harm than good for young healthy people under 40.

 

[Joes Place]

After omicron hit, the vaccine has been minimally effective at best.

FALSE

The newest vaccine is quite effective against JN.1

Past Covid infections >6 months ago are not protective much at all against it.

 

[SocraticIshmael]

It's amazing, really, that Brown's study came up with the exact number of lives saved cited by 2 other studies.

It's also amazing the study was funded by the NIH, Grant Number R01AG073286, as well as others. I'm sure there's no conflict of interest there.

When naturalborn is supporting your post, you know you're an idiot.

Be better.

 

[Hawk_82]

FALSE

The newest vaccine is quite effective against JN.1

Past Covid infections >6 months ago are not protective much at all against it.

According to worldometers, ~51,500 people died from covid in the usa in the past year. In comparison, on Mar 4, 2020 we had 11 deaths. By April 27th, 2020 we had 59,000 deaths in the usa. We are not dealing with a pandemic anymore.

Most of these people had co-morbidities that actually caused their death, but since they tested positive for covid, they were counted as a covid death per hospital billing rules.

Most people have a robust immune system that does a great job fighting covid. If a person does get sick enough to require hospitalization, our treatments are remarkably effective.

People are not dying from covid (medically) in the same way today as they died from covid in 2020. You are holding onto a vaccine for something that is not that big of a deal anymore. We have discussed the relative risk reduction vs. The absolute risk reduction. The arr for the covid vaccine is very low (feel free to look it up though).

 

[speak34]

Most of these people had co-morbidities that actually caused their death, but since they tested positive for covid, they were counted as a covid death per hospital billing rules.

Well, that is a load of misinformation. "Hospital billing rules"? Really? You obviously do not understand medical coding and billing.

 

[IAFB2021Champs]

Well, that is a load of misinformation. "Hospital billing rules"? Really? You obviously do not understand medical coding and billing.

Just curious if you would say that Covid was never marked as the cause of death even if it wasn’t really the reason behind someone passing away?

 

[BrunoMars420]

Please take this conversation to the RIP posters thread where it belongs

 

[Joes Place]

Most of these people had co-morbidities that actually caused their death

This is the SAME WAY influenza deaths are calculated.

Are people who have co-morbidities "less important" or "not people"?

Do elderly people "not count" anymore?
Do you not give a shit about your own grandparents, or elderly parents?

 

[Joes Place]

People are not dying from covid (medically) in the same way today as they died from covid in 2020. You are holding onto a vaccine for something that is not that big of a deal

It's actually still killing people at a far faster clip than flu ever has.
And we STILL recommend annual flu vaccines, >100 years after the Spanish flu pandemic.

 

[Joes Place]

Well, that is a load of misinformation. "Hospital billing rules"? Really? You obviously do not understand medical coding and billing.

These folks latch onto the latest piece of disinformation that shows up in their email Inbox, and post it here like it's something "new and exciting"...

 

[Joes Place]

According to worldometers, ~51,500 people died from covid in the usa in the past year.

And, per historical records, that would be a fairly "bad" flu year.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

This can't be right. CIDRAP tells us that the vaccines saved over 3 million lives already JUST in the U.S.

If their math is right we would have had over 4 million deaths in this country. What a load of bullcrap!

Report: COVID-19 vaccines saved US $1.15 trillion, 3 million lives

COVID-19 vaccines prevented more than 18.5 million US hospitalizations and 3.2 million deaths, according to new estimates.

www.cidrap.umn.edu

 

[Joes Place]

I'm sure there's no conflict of interest there.

Did u email the study authors yet?

 

[Joes Place]

This can't be right. CIDRAP tells us that the vaccines saved over 3 million lives already JUST in the U.S.

Why did @Finance85 tell us that this study came up with EXACTLY the same numbers as two other studies?

This seems inconsistent.

Perhaps @Finance85 can stop back and post which "studies" he was referring to...

 

[Hawk_82]

Well, that is a load of misinformation. "Hospital billing rules"? Really? You obviously do not understand medical coding and billing.

I'm curious what you know about medical coding and billing? Do you know the rules for how covid plays into coding and billing?

 

[Hawk_82]

This is the SAME WAY influenza deaths are calculated.

Are people who have co-morbidities "less important" or "not people"?

Do elderly people "not count" anymore?
Do you not give a shit about your own grandparents, or elderly parents?

Do you know what would be sent for billing if a person arrives to the hospital with pneumonia and tests positive for influenza and covid?

Covid looks worse on paper because of the coding rules associated with billing.

 

[Titanhawk2]

Wow. I'm glad I received 6 covid vaccines as my Doctors recommended.

COVID-19 vaccination campaign saved 2.4 million lives, according to health economists

A working paper by researchers from the University of Southern California and Brown University analyzed the global impacts of COVID-19 vaccines.

www.brown.edu

Oh, according to "Health Economists" - that's the group I look to for drug effectiveness

 

[Joes Place]

I'm curious what you know about medical coding and billing? Do you know the rules for how covid plays into coding and billing?

You most certainly do not.

 

[Joes Place]

Covid looks worse on paper because of the coding rules associated with billing.

No; Covid is more difficult & costly to manage, because you need isolated areas for those patients which is not the case for other illnesses.

 

[Hawk_82]

You most certainly do not.

Yes I do, I work with the coding team quite a bit.

 

[Joes Place]

Yes I do, I work with the coding team quite a bit.

"work with"
What? You empty their trash cans?

 

[Hawk_82]

No; Covid is more difficult & costly to manage, because you need isolated areas for those patients which is not the case for other illnesses.

People with covid are placed in the same rooms as an influenza patient. About the only difference is the use of an n95.

 

[Colonoscopy]

Meanwhile....prior infection with Covid is pretty much useless against the circulating variant...

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Protection of natural infection against reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 JN.1 variant

This study investigated the effectiveness of natural infection in preventing reinfection with the JN.1 variant during a large JN.1 wave in Qatar, using a test-negative case-control study design. The overall effectiveness of previous infection in preventing reinfection with JN.1 was estimated at...

www.medrxiv.org

The findings show that the protection of natural infection against reinfection with JN.1 is strong only among those who were infected within the last 6 months, with variants such as XBB*. However, this protection wanes rapidly and is entirely lost one year after the previous infection. The findings support considerable immune evasion by JN.1.

Protection from infection or severe disease?

I wouldn't suspect old natural infections to protect against infection from newer strains like new vaccines might. (Of course the vaccines will suffer the same date in time and have to be refreshed)

 

[Hawk_82]

No; Covid is more difficult & costly to manage, because you need isolated areas for those patients which is not the case for other illnesses.

Covid is prioritized as the principal diagnosis if it meets criteria for pdx. If you tested positive for flu, covid and rsv; covid would be the principal diagnosis. This coding priority creates an obvious bias toward covid looking worse than it really is.

"(b) Sequencing of codes
When COVID-19 meets the definition of principal diagnosis, code U07.1, COVID-19, should be sequenced first, followed by the
appropriate codes for associated manifestations, except when
another guideline requires that certain codes be sequenced first,
such as obstetrics, sepsis, or transplant complications."

https://www.cms.gov/files/document/fy-2024-icd-10-cm-coding-guidelines-updated-02/01/2024.pdf

 

[Joes Place]

Covid is prioritized as the principal diagnosis if it meets criteria for pdx. If you tested positive for flu, covid and rsv; covid would be the principal diagnosis. This coding priority creates an obvious bias toward covid looking worse than it really is.

"(b) Sequencing of codes
When COVID-19 meets the definition of principal diagnosis, code U07.1, COVID-19, should be sequenced first, followed by the
appropriate codes for associated manifestations, except when
another guideline requires that certain codes be sequenced first,
such as obstetrics, sepsis, or transplant complications."

https://www.cms.gov/files/document/fy-2024-icd-10-cm-coding-guidelines-updated-02/01/2024.pdf

People do not generally have Covid, flu and RSV all at once.

They sequence this way, because Covid is the MOST infectious of the three. AND the most serious.

 

[Joes Place]

This coding priority creates an obvious bias toward covid looking worse than it really is.

No; if people die from Covid, they had Covid.

If they die from Covid + RSV, they died from both.

Covid deaths STILL vastly outpace either of the other two, Cletus.