Dave Wannstedt says he has heard ISU and Kansas to Big Ten
- Thread starter Mountain Man Hawk
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Here is factual data..........
Iowa > Iowa State
Now pretend to ignore my post by not responding even though you're gonna see it.
It would certainly diminish my enjoyment of watching Big 10 sports. However, isu (like Nebby and PSU) would find out quickly how difficult the Big 10 conference is.
Clone fans think silence is a good sign. They hypothesize that Bowlsby and Pollard are having behind the scenes discussions regarding ALL those options they have.
When they realize an invite isn't coming, we'll all hear about how the 2-4 teams the Irate8 are pursuing and how much they will bring to the conference. The problem will be that no marquee programs will be added and the future media contracts will reflect that.
The Big12 leftovers and whomever they add will end of being the basement P5 conference.
However, I think the bulk of Iowa fans that go to CycloneFanatic, just do so to read all the ridiculous commentary, but aren’t posting on that site.
You didn't answer my question. Just in case you didn't see I'll repeat it. How many eyeballs watched clone bball compared to Iowa last season?
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Thankfully some of the work has been done for you. Fiesta Bowl down 19% from the previous year. Big12 game down 67% from the previous year.
It’s been awhile for Iowa to be in the conference championship game, they got 9.8 million for that game. ISU 1.8 million for their Championship game.
Rose Bowl 13.552 million. Fiesta 3.8 million. Not sure how to factor in FS1 into those numbers.
It’s been awhile for Iowa to be in the conference championship game, they got 9.8 million for that game. ISU 1.8 million for their Championship game.
Rose Bowl 13.552 million. Fiesta 3.8 million. Not sure how to factor in FS1 into those numbers.
I think you better check your numbers in the second paragraph.
Fiesta had 6.68 million viewers and was the 5th most watched bowl game. The top two were CFP games. The prior year matched Ohio State against Clemson in a CFP game.
The Big 12 Championship had 3 million viewers, 5th highest of 14 games on that day. That game went head-to-head with 3½ other games. The Big Ten Championship with Ohio State vs Northwestern had 8 million viewers in that same time slot. Great numbers, but was beat by Clemson-Notre Dame and Alabama-Florida which were played later in the day.
He/she ignores the questions the show the reality of where ames is really at. Reality is a hard pill to swallow.
Yes please explain any data that show isu will bring in $55m. Until then the current members will need to subsidize isu in order for them to join the conference. The only people who believe this is rational are delusional clown fans.
This report doesn't make sense.
Kansas and ISU would need to add $120 million per year in value to our TV deal to justify expansion. They don't. That's all it comes down to...
The Big Ten is not a charity, and we had numerous chances to add these 2 schools in the past and decided not to...
The schools that the Big Ten wants most are in the ACC for now: ND, UNC, UVA, and maybe Duke/Ga Tech with them.
Big Ten is not expanding now unless it's with Pac-12 teams if USC tries to bolt in the next few years. That's it. Otherwise, we wait until 2031-2033.
Kansas and ISU would need to add $120 million per year in value to our TV deal to justify expansion. They don't. That's all it comes down to...
The Big Ten is not a charity, and we had numerous chances to add these 2 schools in the past and decided not to...
The schools that the Big Ten wants most are in the ACC for now: ND, UNC, UVA, and maybe Duke/Ga Tech with them.
Big Ten is not expanding now unless it's with Pac-12 teams if USC tries to bolt in the next few years. That's it. Otherwise, we wait until 2031-2033.
Do you really think for one second that TV networks would negotiate a new TV with the Big Ten to add isu based one one years worth of data? Say this out loud and see if it still makes sense.
Good lord you clown fans are dense.
I can see the pitch from crybaby Pollard to the Big Ten Presidents and Chancellors “So Iowa use to subsidize isu with our football contracts by paying us more to play in Iowa City than we paid them when they played in Ames. This really isn’t any different. I need you all to agree to take less money each and every year so you can pay us our $55M share. Now if you will all just sign this I will be on my way.
Oh and one more thing do you think you can make that first payment by next Friday. Thanks”
Oh and one more thing do you think you can make that first payment by next Friday. Thanks”
Ok so it appears clown fans want this to be about everything other than money.
Fine would clown fans and crybaby Pollard be ok with this proposal. The Big Ten will welcome isu with open arms to start the 2022 season. The Big Ten has its GOR coming up after the 2023 season so 2022 is a great time for isu to join. isu would have to pay their $80M exit fee from the Big 12 and would then negotiate with the Big Tens existing media partners for what incremental payments they will make for isu to join. Since this isn’t about money the only payout isu will get from the Big Ten is the incremental revenue increase they are able to obtain from the existing media partners. As an incentive the Big Ten will agree to place isu in the Big Ten West and move Purdue to the Big Ten East.
Clown fans and crybaby Pollard good with that?
Fine would clown fans and crybaby Pollard be ok with this proposal. The Big Ten will welcome isu with open arms to start the 2022 season. The Big Ten has its GOR coming up after the 2023 season so 2022 is a great time for isu to join. isu would have to pay their $80M exit fee from the Big 12 and would then negotiate with the Big Tens existing media partners for what incremental payments they will make for isu to join. Since this isn’t about money the only payout isu will get from the Big Ten is the incremental revenue increase they are able to obtain from the existing media partners. As an incentive the Big Ten will agree to place isu in the Big Ten West and move Purdue to the Big Ten East.
Clown fans and crybaby Pollard good with that?
This would be equivalent to a person going to buy a car and paying $20 grand more than the seller has it listed for. Why would Fox do this when they could sign the same teams for a lot cheaper in 4 years????? It makes zero business sense.
I know that but clown fans are trying to argue that the Big Ten should admit isu regardless of the financial implications to the existing members.
I am sure the existing members are just fine admitting isu to the conference as long as isu is taking on the full financial liability and risk with no downside impacts to the existing members. I don’t think though clown fans would really be ok with that.
So we are right back to my original argument. Are the existing members of the Big Ten willing to subsidize isu in order to add them into the conference? Clown fans can argue one years of TV ratings and how much better their water is in Ames than the rest of the Big Ten but none of that really matters if the existing members aren’t willing to subsidize isu in order for them to join the conference.
Can you point me to where in the article that it explains why the existing members of the Big Ten are willing to subsidize KU and isu for them to join the conference?
For some odd reason I still can’t find it.
Must ignore?
yea... so whats happening is... the SEC is going to have 16 teams... the ACC has 15 plus with the addition of West Virginia.. that's gonna be 16.
so... the Big Ten is also going to wisely take advantage of this situation and add 2 teams... and the most logical 2 teams to add is Kansas and Iowa State.
I think these 2 schools are a better addition than OK and Texas going to the SEC.
I understand.... lot of so called fans are a wreak... emotionally a mess over this thing.
but once they get over their feelings... in a couple years... they will come to accept it.
its going to happen... might as well get used to it now, imo
I think these guys are finally making the changes necessary for College Football... and we should embrace these changes.
but naturally... theres gonna be a lot of folks that don't like change... I get that... and I do believe those people are necessary... it helps them moving forward to remain sharp.
and btw... I don't worry about other peoples money... they're smarter than me... they'll figure it out.
Why does the Big Ten need to expand? I didn’t see this anywhere in that article or any article for that matter. Everything I have seen says there isn’t some magical force driving the Big Ten to expand that doesn’t require the existing Big Ten members to subsidize any new additions.
I’m still trying to figure out why the nation’s most reliable television draw is ESPN+ week one? The TV execs seem to be intent on losing money!!!!!
It's not going to happen. It's better to accept it sooner than later.
When isu doesn't get an invite are you gonna keep coming back posting how much the conference f'd up?
yea, the Big Ten doesn't "need" to expand... its an opportunity to expand and make the conference even better than it already is.
plus with the other conferences moving to 16 teams... it only makes sense to do the same.
And your sources are Dave Wannstedt and Jon Miller....thats all I need to know. One other thing, if Dave is so in tune to the realignment of conferences how on God's green earth would Kansas State and Texas Tech get into the pac-12? I'm sure Stanford, Berkley, UCLA and USC Presidents are so intrigued with TT and KSU academic standards. Get a clue
Boy am I getting tired of typing this out. We can do all the mental gymnastics we want, but it’s pointless. None of us are the ones making these decisions, so it’s wisest to read reputable and well-sourced reporters instead who know what the decision-makers are thinking. And they have unanimously said the following:
- ISU would be a financial detriment to the B1G.
- Revenue is the key driver at play here.
- The B1G and P12 are unlikely to expand.
We can go on and on about ISU’s attendance, specific viewership numbers from skewed data sets, etc. but in the end, it doesn’t matter. The decision makers appear to not care. They reportedly care about revenue, which puts ISU in a precarious situation.
Adding isu and KU doesn’t make the Big Ten better than it already is. All it does is reduce the payouts to the existing members. That isn’t an “opportunity” it is a train wreck bad decision.
The Big Ten going to 16 only matters if it is done the way the SEC did it. Add two blue bloods not KU and isu from the un-wanted 8.
yea.. you're not being honest... I watched the Alliance Talk as well.. and they specifically said money is not the driving force... and the Pac 12 is going to explore expansion now.
but thats ok... you'll eventually wear out fighting against change..
then change will come and you will embrace it.
~thanks
Why is it each and every clown fan that comes here refuses to answer the basic question of why would existing members of the Big Ten willingly vote to take less money year after year in order to add KU and isu?
Does this really make sense to you?
The guy is just a troll. I'm not even sure if he is an ISU troll or just a regular troll. He's just posting dumb stuff to get a response. Ignore.
Oh you caught me. I forgot the *
The ‘’down 19%” was a comparison between the 2018 Fiesta Bowl and the ISU one. They decided to make the comparison between games that weren’t in the playoff structure. I also used ratings as viewers. Let’s see if I can do this better.
2020 Fiesta Bowl
3.8 rating 6.68 million viewers
2018 Fiesta Bowl
4.7 rating 8.47 million viewers
So which one of these is better?
2020 Big12 Championship Game
1.8 rating 2.99 million viewers
2019 Big12 Championship Game
5.5 rating 8.7 million viewers
to help you out 8.7m>>>>>2.99m
just for comparison sake
2015B1G Championship Game*
5.7 rating 9.818 million viewers
* up over the previous year which was 3.5 rating with Ohio State/Wisconsin.
2016 Rose Bowl
7.4 rating 13.552 million viewers
I wouldn’t want to look at anything other than 2020 either. It doesn’t look good for your premise. Did you want the ‘most athletic’ award from computer kid camp?
So after Texas and OU Jet to the SEC due to money the alliance came together to focus on academics? LOL
Everything is about money.
Amazing what clown fans will argue isn’t it? Then they turn around and wonder in amazement as to why they are laughed at.
Well if Dave Wannstedt said it, it must be true.... We will just ignore the many more well respected national journalist who think the opposite and the fact no one else is jumping on Wannstedt's prediction agreeing with him.
Yep clown fans again want us to pick and choose what they deem to be the relevant and narrow set of facts. Nothing else counts and must be ignored. Not must it be ignored but common sense and logic can’t and won’t be used in the decision making process.
Why, because clown fans say so.
You just got seriously owned with Bruno doing the mic drop on your pathetic ratings claim.
College Football TV Ratings
College football TV ratings for the 2024 regular season, bowls, College Football Playoff and National Championship.www.sportsmediawatch.com
Here is data going back to 2012 in TV ratings. You can click by year below by clicking the years hyper link. To make it Easy for you since I am a swell guy, use Ctrl-F then type in Iowa or Iowa state then compare going back to 2012. Let us know the results, thanks!
Hey it’s ok clown fans will just say this doesn’t count either and by god Pollard is being quiet so look out Hawk fans something massive is brewing.
And Iowa fans think they win the Big 10 conference regularly, when realty is they haven't won it outright in 36 years.
And Iowa fans think they win major bowls regularly, when realty is they have won a major bowl once since 1958.
