Here is what Iowa has never been able to do, play a 4 win team in a major bowl and call it some massive accomplishment.
That honor is left to clown fans. You should make t-shirts for this massive feat.
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That honor is left to clown fans. You should make t-shirts for this massive feat.
And ISU fans think they are relevant because they finished ranked for the 3rd time ever last year in a pandemic shortened football season.
And they still haven't won a conference title in over a 100 years.
Where do those numbers come from? Based on the 2017 media deal, it looks like the per team break even point is $31 million per team, or about half of what you posted. I'm basing that on the $2.64 billion FOX/ESPN six year deal for a 14 team conference.
Your point is still be valid. I just can't figure out where you came up with your numbers.
Hey cy got railed again can you post for us the year isu won an outright football conference championship? You know one where the conference actually acknowledges it.
Good luck, happy hunting.
You lost me at ISU and Kansas being better additions for the B1G compared to Texas and OU to the SEC? In what ways?
Then let’s make it easy. Will isu accept an invitation to the Big Ten if the only payout they receive is incremental dollars they can negotiate from existing media partners?
Compared to clones conference championship drought...I'll take Iowa's success everyday of the week.
They will argue Iowa gets subsidized, but what they won’t admit is Iowa has been in Big Ten since beginning. We didn’t whore ourselves in more recent times to a team like Texas.
Incorrect. You’re referring to the driving forces behind the alliance, not expansion. Regarding expansion itself, here’s what Pete Thamel said after the alliance press conference:
“Perhaps the most notable big-picture takeaway was that the Big Ten appears committed to not expanding.”
Max Olson of The Athletic had similar remarks about the PAC-12 expanding: “While Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff has floated that possibility publicly, he also acknowledged on Tuesday that the formation of the alliance achieves “a lot of what we wanted” when his conference first began looking at expansion.”
I just wanted to keep you honest with numbers I knew were incorrect. And I'm not going to check the numbers in your most recent post. I assume you got them right this time.
Again let’s make this simple will isu accept an invitation to the Big Ten if the only payout they receive is the incremental dollars they can negotiate with the existing media partners?
only in Clone World are Kansas and ISU better additions than Oklahoma and Texas. Unbelievable.
No really adding KU and isu to the Big Ten is equivalent to the SEC adding Texas and OU. Because clown fans say so.
@CyRail you fvcking idiot. Iowa won the Orange bowl in 2010. You know, the bowl your former conference was affiliated with for decades but your dog shit team never sniffed
My proposal was this:
Iowa State admitted to the Big 10 under the following conditions……
1. ISU pays a minimum $50 million buy in.
2. Put in the East Division.
3. Must play Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin and Iowa on the road for the next 5 years.
4. Permanently receive only 1/4 the revenue all the other Big 10 schools receive. There can be a built in incentive to this. Every time ISU wins the conference championship they receive a 5 point increase in revenue sharing. For example, they start at 25%….win the conference and it goes up to 30%. Of course, every year they DON’T win the conference, their share goes DOWN 2 points. Heck, make it 10 points for winning. They will be at 100% in just a few years.
Since ISU fans are confident the Clones will dominate the Big 10 (since they are now an elite team and….Matt Campbell), they should jump at this.
I think I got them right this time. I am not surprised that you were unwilling to check non 2020 numbers to show that my raw numbers were incorrect(still unfavorable to your premise) but indeed incorrect. Any opinions on the correct information presented?
Please don’t make me break out ‘must ignore’ lol
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Not only that, but if you added PSU (which isn't on that site) and the cancelled Michigan games to Iowa's 2020 total, then they still outdraw ISU even though it was their "dream" season that still had three losses and included them beating a four win team in a bowl.
And Iowa fans think they win major bowls regularly, when realty is they have won a major bowl once since 1958.
You won once. Since 1958.
We won once, too. Since January.
It's also a spurious point intended to obfuscate reality. Iowa and Iowa State won the same number of national championships in the 1980s. Clearly, that means the two programs were equal.
Cy(getting)rail(ed) is just desperate for attention and validation. I'm surprised so many Iowa fans engage such a pathetic troll attempt.
I checked them because I have the 2020 numbers on my computer and knew they were incorrect. It took time to check the other numbers online and check whether they were a CFP game or not, which is a much different deal.
I've tried to avoid posting opinions. I prefer to post the actual numbers. And yes, once again I only have the 2020 numbers in my database. My failure to post numbers from earlier years is because I don't have them on my computer in a form useable as a database, which is necessary for quick analysis.
I'm probably going to at least copy the tables onto my computer at some point because that's what I do. Then I'll clean it up so it can be analyzed. The date come in as text without the year, so all those need to be converted to data & time codes. With Oklahoma all up in arms about the 11:00 am games, I think it would be interesting to see the viewers by time slot.
Other than Iowa has never had the luxury of playing a 4 win team in NY6 Bowl game like isu.
From an SI article.
"The Big Ten's total revenue dropped in 2020, but it was still about $40 million higher than the SEC. The conference lowered payouts to its 12 longest-standing members by about $1.3 million per school to $54.3 million."
Big Ten is expected to sign a deal worth over $70 million per team and upwards of $80 million per team during the next round of negotiations too. ISU and KU would lower that payout per school.
How many bowl games has isu won in its history? I'll tell you. You're bowl record is 5-11.
Iowa bowl record 17-15-1.
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For all time bowl wins 26 teams are tied with or have more wins than Iowa.
Will copying the numbers help you answer a basic question of will isu accept a bid from the Big Ten if the only payout they receive is what they can negotiate with the existing media partners?
So Iowa has won 2 since 1958 and ISU was won 1 (*COVID year over a 4 win team) since their existence?
I'm projecting the next TV deal at the time the schools would be added.
Basically TV distributions to the Big Ten should be in the range of $60 million per team with the renewed TV deals and expanded playoff around 2025, especially since the power conferences should get benefits as they did before from controlling the major bowls like Rose/Sugar/Orange.
The bar for adding a team gets that much higher.
Reality is that Nebraska/Maryland/Rutgers benefited from the 9th game added and the conference championship and CFP all starting around the time they were added at the same time that the TV deals were renegotiated.
This time, really all that's going to be in play is the expanded playoff and new TV deals.
There are very few schools that can add $60+ million in TV value to the Big Ten, and they're all in the ACC or Pac-12.
It's basically USC + 3 to 5 teams or ACC teams like ND or UNC/UVA or FSU/Clemson (but doubtful that non-AAUs will come other than ND).
Only really major market/brand teams or those that have additional benefits worth considering (like UNC/UVA being located in major recruiting grounds/growth states) will work.
So...what's your point? Are you claiming that ISU has finally achieved, for the first time in history, what Iowa has done multiple times? Congrats on that. If you want to say that ISU had unprecedented success last year, we all agree. Some will say it was an asterisk year, but whatever.
If you think one year of success puts ISU on par with Iowa as a program....ummmm, no. But, hypothetically, let's pretend it does. Do you think being on par with Iowa gets you invited to the B1G? Even that probably doesn't get you an invite and you haven't reached that bar. Come back if you've maintained consistent success for a decade at least. Until you do that, the success in 2020 is, at best, an outlier.
I'm not saying ISU won't get an invite. The presidents are academic types and academic types are notorious for making emotional decisions instead of logical one. There's no doubt that B1G teams will make less from media rights with ISU and KSU in the B1G than they'd make without them, but there's a chance the presidents do it anyway. They may look at an upcoming renegotiation with presumed increase and think they can just apply that increase to subsidize ISU and KSU. Increased value for the existing teams could result in more money, split more ways, for a net break even.
I guarantee every existing B1G athletic department would be unhappy with that decision as they'd be looking at smaller budgets with ISU/KSU in the B1G than they'd have without them. Literally the only good thing is that Iowa could play ISU and still be able to schedule a non-con home and home with other P5 teams.
Gotcha. Those projected numbers represent a huge leap from current numbers of $40 to $50 million per team. It makes me wonder if we aren't comparing apples to oranges.
Could those higher numbers be what is expected to be future Big Ten distributions? If that is just the per team media revenue, the total distributions per team will be obscene.
I have fully admitted more than once that Iowa has been an above average program.
I have also stated the obvious: Ask general Iowa fans how many outright Big 10 championships they've won since 1985, and how many major bowls they've won since 1958, and 98% would answer above the actual number.
The perception amongst this group as to how great the Hawkeye program is far exceeds reality. As I said a couple of times, Iowa doesn't stoke fear on anyone's football schedule.
I have also admitted several times that our football history has sucked. No disagreements there.
Where are you seeing $40 to $50 per team at? Last year during a COVID year they took in $54.3 and that was down from the previous year of $55.6. That isn't even close to being in the 40s. KU and ISU won't bring anything close to that every year and thus won't get invited.
If the Pac 12 doesn't scoop up any teams then no one will. Best case for the insignificant 8 is to scoop up Cincinnati and UCF. That is still a viable conference that should get $20 plus a year.
Lol, In a Covid year, against an average team. Iowa has more bowl wins than you have bowl appearances. Hell, we may have more National titles than you have bowl wins
iowa state football is like the shingles, it only flares up maybe once in a lifetime and is a huge pain. You are literally one of the worst football programs in history. With all due respect to people with TBI, did you hit in the head really hard? Maybe you’re just that idiot troll….whatever you can do I can do better. Between you and CyTwins, you make a great case for abortion.
If your your viewership numbers are less than last year and less than Iowa's what are you going to say?
If you are an historian of big10 fball than you would know that many teams, coaches and players say Kinnick is one of the hardest places to win in the big10, especially at night. That has been said over and over for 20+ years. I think Iowa fans understand there place in the big10 and on the national landscape. Iowa is hard-nosed developmental program that puts 2-3 star recruits into the league at a better clip than anyone and has the ability to play with 99% of the teams in college fball.
Clones fball success that you are mentioning is from the past 5 years -where you haven't beat Iowa once and beat a 4-3 Oregon team who finished 4th in the pac-12....congrats!
Never happening. TV networks are not gonna pay the 8 teams more by having them join other conferences than they could pay them as is.
He is mostly being egged on in order to get him to keep posting. I don’t think he realizes his troll attempts make him look like an idiot.
