Dave Wannstedt says he has heard ISU and Kansas to Big Ten

[hawkfeever]

First question: When he says several Big Ten people were there, who the hell were they? Should be easy to figure out. Supposedly in Arizona meeting with Fox reps.

And c'mon this shit would have leaked out long ago if this was the course. He is not stating maybe he is stating done deal basically. Nobody is this damn quiet except ESPN, Texas AD and OK AD.

 

[doughuddl2]

Obviously this would be counter to what every other source out there is saying so it surprises me how much conviction he seems to have about this. Here is a link to the audio clip, it’s about 30 seconds long but he basically says he was in a meeting recently with conference people there that were talking about splitting up the Big 8 leftovers and it’s going to be OSU and KSU to Pac12, WV to the ACC, and ISU and KU to the Big Ten.

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Was it the mini Wannstedt or full size Wannstedt? Full sized drinks a lot.

 

[rchawk]

There are posters who think ISU to the Big Ten would be a good thing. They must believe they are more intelligent than Big Ten presidents and chancellors who vote on such decisions. Just a hint- you aren't. Check their CVs and compare them to yours. You will be embarrassed, and severely so.

 

[Obviously Oblivious]

Absurd notion that the B10 conference would deliberately add two of the most historically impotent football programs into its fold. That’s a terrible move in a landscape where football is king. Sure ISU is allegedly a top 10 program right now but where will they be next year or in 5-10 years? Complete crazy talk.

 

[HawkFanatik]

You think isu is gonna be a top ten team every year?

Yep, back down to shit when Purdy, Hall , Kolar leave.

 

[kceasthawk]

Wisconsin fans could say the same thing........

Absolutely, so lets make it two in a row, and drop kick the kitties from Chicago land this year as well......

 

[FranklinHawk]

Pictures of upton and jeter please….

They're here!

 

[kceasthawk]

They're here!

Ouch!!!! So what would they need you for? To be the lotion boy.....

 

[doughuddl2]

Have no clue and really don’t care as that’s one of many components of the equation.

And frankly I doubt that your contribution is any more than a hot dog off a free ticket you get once every four years.

Wrong.

Isu dead freaking last of all schools in the B12. You know that your fans are cheap bastards. Ames fans won't pay, has to be free.

I club member. My one payment is more than you make.

 

[rchawk]

Wrong.

Isu dead freaking last of all schools in the B12. You know that your fans are cheap bastards. Ames fans won't pay, has to be free.

I club member. My one payment is more than you make.

I would guess that Kansas State is last, which would make them 8th in the Big 12. ISU would be 7th.

 

[doughuddl2]

I would guess that Kansas State is last, which would make them 8th in the Big 12. ISU would be 7th.

ut $51,197,476
ou $45,566,195
ku $39,878,924
osu $24,736,163
tt $24,187,872
ksu $20,560,128
wv $19,017,866
isu $18,206,649

Per USA today

 

[Franisdaman]

Wrong.

Isu dead freaking last of all schools in the B12. You know that your fans are cheap bastards. Ames fans won't pay, has to be free.

I club member. My one payment is more than you make.

The difference in total revenue between Iowa & Clown U is significant.

When looking at contributions only (the latest data available from USA Today):

$38,627,000--IOWA

$18,206,649 CLOWN U

TOTAL 2018-2019 REVENUE & EXPENSES of 227 TEAMS ARE HERE: https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Click on the team to get a breakdown of the REVENUE Total & EXPENSE Total.

 

[BubsFinn]

The Big Ten gains nothing by adding Iowa State. Absolutely nothing.

 

[doughuddl2]

The difference in total revenue between Iowa & Clown U is significant.

When looking at contributions only (the latest data available from USA Today):

$38,627,000--IOWA

$18,206,649 CLOWN U

TOTAL 2018-2019 REVENUE & EXPENSES of 227 TEAMS ARE HERE: https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Click on the team to get a breakdown of the REVENUE Total & EXPENSE Total.

I need to find the link to story where Purdue and Indiana said they would never cut their TV revenue to support ku and Ames.

 

[Hawk68]

Yep.

Nebby and the Hawks would put out contracts on the yes voters.

 

[Franisdaman]

I need to find the link to story where Purdue and Indiana said they would never cut their TV revenue to support ku and Ames.

And there is story after story that says KU & Clown U don't make sense for the B1G.

One example:

Kansas and Iowa State may want to join the Big Ten, but the Big Ten can be selective. It should only be considering schools that will expand the conference’s brand and increase that annual payout to its members. Kansas and Iowa State may increase the Big Ten’s revenue overall, but if schools are getting less money from it, that won’t fly.

Less is more? The case for the B1G to sit out realignment

Standing pat may not be the “sexy” move, but it may be the right one. Let me explain.

saturdaytradition.com

 

[blowenthal]

FWIW, Thamel does not currently think the B1G will expand.

 

[F5n5]

it would be irresponsible to announce anything until it becomes official... but I get the sense we all know its going to happen... some don't like it because it scares them, but I'm excited about the Iowa State Cyclones joining the Big Ten... its gonna add to the drama that already exists all year round.

 

[CyRail]

For Iowa State supposedly not having much of a following in Iowa and around the country, it's telling to see 8000 views and over 200 posts on a thread discussing Iowa State that popped up around 10:15 this morning.

 

[M3 ME PLEASE]

Lol it’s cute that this is going to get ISU fans hopes up only to be disappointed yet again

Perpetual disappointment, the life of a cyclone fan

 

[ClarindaA's]

For Iowa State supposedly not having much of a following in Iowa and around the country, it's telling to see 8000 views and over 200 posts on a thread discussing Iowa State that popped up around 10:15 this morning.

Hatred and no other sports

 

[jason33]

For Iowa State supposedly not having much of a following in Iowa and around the country, it's telling to see 8000 views and over 200 posts on a thread discussing Iowa State that popped up around 10:15 this morning.

Considering that Iowa State is not a legitimate Hawkeye rival, it‘s amazing how much interest ISU generates in this fourm.

That‘s a good thing, especially when ISU joins the B1G in the next couple years.

 

[Psyclone]

I doubt it, but several sources have speculated over the past few weeks that ISU will end up in the BiG. So this guy is an outlier but he isn't alone.

I'm skeptical, but I wonder if Wannstedt's conversation with the "Big Ten people" are in any way connected to what the Penn State president said recently. Wannstedt may have some personal connections from his time in Pennsylvania.

 

[MikeyHawk]

For Iowa State supposedly not having much of a following in Iowa and around the country, it's telling to see 8000 views and over 200 posts on a thread discussing Iowa State that popped up around 10:15 this morning.

It is a great thread to read. Better knowing that ISU fans like yourself are going to be impacted. Pure joy and conference discussions are the reason

 

[ClarindaA's]

Considering that Iowa State is not a legitimate Hawkeye rival, it‘s amazing how much interest ISU generates in this fourm.

That‘s a good thing, especially when ISU joins the B1G in the next couple years.

What does the BiG gain by adding ISU? There’s no monetary gain??? No big viewership???

 

[jason33]

The Big Ten gains nothing by adding Iowa State. Absolutely nothing.

Who knows for sure if ISU will join the B1G, but it’s almost as if Penn State’s AD wrote her comments specifically with ISU in mind. Do your research: ISU is a perfect fit for the B1G culturally, academically, geographically, investments in athletics facilities, passionate decent-sized fan base (possibly in the upper half of B1G if it joined), etc. It’s really quite striking.

From Penn State press conference this past weekend:

Penn State athletic director Sandy Barbour on Saturday said "the Big Ten feels like it's in a really good place" as the conference explores an alliance with the ACC and Pac-12, but that it continues to pay attention to what brings value beyond money.
"I do think that there are conferences out there that could bring value from a monetary standpoint, particularly, speaking about our television contract and our television revenues," Barbour said. "... The Big 10 really prides itself on being more than just an athletics conference, in terms of our provosts get together, we share some library resources, some other academic resources."

Barbour said that 40% of the Association of American Universities -- a group of leading research schools -- lies within the Pac-12, Big Ten and ACC conferences.
"I'm not trying to downplay the importance of value as it relates to upsizing our revenues -- that certainly is important -- but that's not the only reason," Barbour said. "And I think that there are some reasons around like-mindedness that would be very valuable to the conference."
After Texas and Oklahoma announced their intent to leave the Big 12 for the SEC last month, the Big Ten, ACC and Pac-12 formed an "alliance committee" that includes athletic directors from each conference, along with the three commissioners, to determine how they could work together moving forward.
Sources told ESPN they are expected to soon have a call, but there is still a lot of uncertainty within the group about what specifics an alliance would entail beyond the abstract academic commonalities. Scheduling will be a part of the discussion, but sources told ESPN the motivations and timetables of each league are different.
The discussions are taking place as the entire NCAA is in the midst of a self-evaluation regarding its structure and governance. Barbour is one of 23 members appointed to the NCAA's constitution committee.
She said they had their first virtual meeting Tuesday, as the group begins its task of proposing a new governance model.
"I don't think this is going to be nibbling at the edges," Barbour said. "I think it's going to be bold. I hope I don't have to retract that statement."

 

[jason33]

What does the BiG gain by adding ISU? There’s no monetary gain??? No big viewership???

Clarinda, see my other post (Penn State AD comments)

 

[Slappy Pappy]

Who knows for sure if ISU will join the B1G, but it’s almost as if Penn State’s AD wrote her comments specifically with ISU in mind. Do your research: ISU is a perfect fit for the B1G culturally, academically, geographically, investments in athletics facilities, etc. It’s really quite striking.

From Penn State press conference this past weekend:

Penn State athletic director Sandy Barbour on Saturday said "the Big Ten feels like it's in a really good place" as the conference explores an alliance with the ACC and Pac-12, but that it continues to pay attention to what brings value beyond money.
"I do think that there are conferences out there that could bring value from a monetary standpoint, particularly, speaking about our television contract and our television revenues," Barbour said. "... The Big 10 really prides itself on being more than just an athletics conference, in terms of our provosts get together, we share some library resources, some other academic resources."

Barbour said that 40% of the Association of American Universities -- a group of leading research schools -- lies within the Pac-12, Big Ten and ACC conferences.
"I'm not trying to downplay the importance of value as it relates to upsizing our revenues -- that certainly is important -- but that's not the only reason," Barbour said. "And I think that there are some reasons around like-mindedness that would be very valuable to the conference."
After Texas and Oklahoma announced their intent to leave the Big 12 for the SEC last month, the Big Ten, ACC and Pac-12 formed an "alliance committee" that includes athletic directors from each conference, along with the three commissioners, to determine how they could work together moving forward.
Sources told ESPN they are expected to soon have a call, but there is still a lot of uncertainty within the group about what specifics an alliance would entail beyond the abstract academic commonalities. Scheduling will be a part of the discussion, but sources told ESPN the motivations and timetables of each league are different.
The discussions are taking place as the entire NCAA is in the midst of a self-evaluation regarding its structure and governance. Barbour is one of 23 members appointed to the NCAA's constitution committee.
She said they had their first virtual meeting Tuesday, as the group begins its task of proposing a new governance model.
"I don't think this is going to be nibbling at the edges," Barbour said. "I think it's going to be bold. I hope I don't have to retract that statement."

Penn State? I doubt she'd give any thought to teams in the west. More likely those in the east.

 

[SoDakHawk]

This is a solid post.

Except there is no such thing as a Power 5 charter. The Power 5 is a media creation. It's why the AAC marketed itself as the P6 conference.

Honestly, the AAC is better than the Big 12 sans UT/OU. So they kind of had a point.

There will be only 4 Power Conferences left when this is done which is perfect for CFP semifinals.

 

[blowenthal]

Who knows for sure if ISU will join the B1G, but it’s almost as if Penn State’s AD wrote her comments specifically with ISU in mind. Do your research: ISU is a perfect fit for the B1G culturally, academically, geographically, investments in athletics facilities, passionate decent-sized fan base (possibly in the upper half of B1G if it joined), etc. It’s really quite striking.

From Penn State press conference this past weekend:

Penn State athletic director Sandy Barbour on Saturday said "the Big Ten feels like it's in a really good place" as the conference explores an alliance with the ACC and Pac-12, but that it continues to pay attention to what brings value beyond money.
"I do think that there are conferences out there that could bring value from a monetary standpoint, particularly, speaking about our television contract and our television revenues," Barbour said. "... The Big 10 really prides itself on being more than just an athletics conference, in terms of our provosts get together, we share some library resources, some other academic resources."

Barbour said that 40% of the Association of American Universities -- a group of leading research schools -- lies within the Pac-12, Big Ten and ACC conferences.
"I'm not trying to downplay the importance of value as it relates to upsizing our revenues -- that certainly is important -- but that's not the only reason," Barbour said. "And I think that there are some reasons around like-mindedness that would be very valuable to the conference."
After Texas and Oklahoma announced their intent to leave the Big 12 for the SEC last month, the Big Ten, ACC and Pac-12 formed an "alliance committee" that includes athletic directors from each conference, along with the three commissioners, to determine how they could work together moving forward.
Sources told ESPN they are expected to soon have a call, but there is still a lot of uncertainty within the group about what specifics an alliance would entail beyond the abstract academic commonalities. Scheduling will be a part of the discussion, but sources told ESPN the motivations and timetables of each league are different.
The discussions are taking place as the entire NCAA is in the midst of a self-evaluation regarding its structure and governance. Barbour is one of 23 members appointed to the NCAA's constitution committee.
She said they had their first virtual meeting Tuesday, as the group begins its task of proposing a new governance model.
"I don't think this is going to be nibbling at the edges," Barbour said. "I think it's going to be bold. I hope I don't have to retract that statement."

I think this is a good point, however she could have also very well been referring to the PAC-12’s academic angle and shared desires when it comes to the college football landscape. When I was first reading the statement, I thought she was talking about ISU. The more I read it, the more I think her saying “like-mindedness,” etc. refers to the value (besides financial/scheduling) of the alliance.

 

[hknation]

it would be irresponsible to announce anything until it becomes official... but I get the sense we all know its going to happen... some don't like it because it scares them, but I'm excited about the Iowa State Cyclones joining the Big Ten... its gonna add to the drama that already exists all year round.

"Gonna to add drama", that's exactly the opposite intent of B1G, ACC, & PAC12's many times espoused purpose
.......STABILITY & be the adults. IMHO, Warren did good by the B1G.

Bob Bowlsby should be the first odd conference out casualty, he's done irreparable damage.

 

[SoDakHawk]

Who knows for sure if ISU will join the B1G, but it’s almost as if Penn State’s AD wrote her comments specifically with ISU in mind. Do your research: ISU is a perfect fit for the B1G culturally, academically, geographically, investments in athletics facilities, passionate decent-sized fan base (possibly in the upper half of B1G if it joined), etc. It’s really quite striking.

From Penn State press conference this past weekend:

Penn State athletic director Sandy Barbour on Saturday said "the Big Ten feels like it's in a really good place" as the conference explores an alliance with the ACC and Pac-12, but that it continues to pay attention to what brings value beyond money.
"I do think that there are conferences out there that could bring value from a monetary standpoint, particularly, speaking about our television contract and our television revenues," Barbour said. "... The Big 10 really prides itself on being more than just an athletics conference, in terms of our provosts get together, we share some library resources, some other academic resources."

Barbour said that 40% of the Association of American Universities -- a group of leading research schools -- lies within the Pac-12, Big Ten and ACC conferences.
"I'm not trying to downplay the importance of value as it relates to upsizing our revenues -- that certainly is important -- but that's not the only reason," Barbour said. "And I think that there are some reasons around like-mindedness that would be very valuable to the conference."
After Texas and Oklahoma announced their intent to leave the Big 12 for the SEC last month, the Big Ten, ACC and Pac-12 formed an "alliance committee" that includes athletic directors from each conference, along with the three commissioners, to determine how they could work together moving forward.
Sources told ESPN they are expected to soon have a call, but there is still a lot of uncertainty within the group about what specifics an alliance would entail beyond the abstract academic commonalities. Scheduling will be a part of the discussion, but sources told ESPN the motivations and timetables of each league are different.
The discussions are taking place as the entire NCAA is in the midst of a self-evaluation regarding its structure and governance. Barbour is one of 23 members appointed to the NCAA's constitution committee.
She said they had their first virtual meeting Tuesday, as the group begins its task of proposing a new governance model.
"I don't think this is going to be nibbling at the edges," Barbour said. "I think it's going to be bold. I hope I don't have to retract that statement."

Back in the 1980's there were Senate hearings about "devil music" and how if you played the songs backwards you could hear the satanic messages. There were none. People heard what they wanted to hear, and that's exactly what you did in reading those quotes. Sorry.

 

[jason33]

I think this is a good point, however she could have also very well been referring to the PAC-12’s academic angle and shared desires when it comes to the college football landscape. When I was first reading the statement, I thought she was talking about ISU. The more I read it, the more I think her saying “like-mindedness,” etc. refers to the value (besides financial/scheduling) of the alliance.

I see what you’re saying...ie commenting on the Alliance. Could be.

 

[jason33]

Back in the 1980's there were Senate hearings about "devil music" and how if you played the songs backwards you could hear the satanic messages. There were none. People heard what they wanted to hear, and that's exactly what you did in reading those quotes. Sorry.

We‘ll see where it all goes.

 

[vacuum_cleaner]

Honestly, at this point I WANT to see ISU added to the big 10 strictly because the utter meltdown by some of the morons on this board would be hilarious to see.

 

[MesaClone]

Nebby and the Hawks would put out contracts on the yes voters.

Well, they'll have to put them out on their own Presidents...both of whom will be yes votes.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

What the heck is a "Power 5 charter?" The only thing that makes a conference a "Power" conference is the huge size of it's tv contracts compared to the G5. The B12 has them through '25, but won't afterwards, regardless of who they add.

Not an NCAA term

Well, first of all, like I was saying, of the Big 12 adds teams, then why couldn't they get a TV contract from one of the major networks?

The SEC is dumping CBS, so they'll be back on the market here soon.

And as far as the term, there's actually more to what constitutes a Power 5 designation than just TV deals. It's not an NCAA term, but as of 2015, those conferences were granted more voting power and autonomy regarding specific regulations.

Yes, this new alliance does hurt the Big 12, but like I said, if they can add teams, that's gonna go a long way to maintaining that status.

However, like I said in my previous post, the AAC is gonna push back. For a while now, they've been pushing a campaign to try to get included in the Power 5 and form a Power 6, like what once existed when the Big East was still around, though that particular term was less about autonomy and more simply about labeling the "strongest" conferences.

 

[Psyclone]

Couldn’t see Fox being happy about the additions. It does nothing for adding viewers, which is their target. The addition may hurt the next contract. Would the Presidents take any consideration of the money of tv contracts into account in their decision?

I had to take a look at ratings on FOX to get an idea what the execs at that network might think.

Ohio State draws insane viewer numbers. They had the top three highest rated games on FOX in 2020. Way ahead of the rest. Texas-Oklahoma was fourth and Michigan-Michigan State was fifth, followed by Texas-Oklahoma State then Oregon-USC. Bluebloods in all those games, if you still consider Michigan and USC to be bluebloods. And two of them were conference championship games.

The next highest rated game on FOX was one without bluebloods. It was Iowa State-Oklahoma State. That was week 8 when everybody was playing. That week, the Iowa State game was the 4th highest rated of 23 games on any channel and fared well despite going head-to-head against Alabama-Tennessee on CBS.

I'm not trying to argue Iowa State pulls down ratings like a blueblood. But their numbers are pretty good, even in a week where there was plenty of competition for eyeballs.

 

[Franisdaman]

FWIW, Thamel does not currently think the B1G will expand.

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Clown fans are not going to like what they read.

What stands out in this column:

* The Big 12 was dealt the biggest blow. The B1G, ACC and PAC 12 have no intention of expanding. That leaves the 8 remaining Big 12 schools on the outside looking in.

* While there was speculation for years that there’d be 64 teams remaining in the 4 super leagues, the reality is that we’re headed toward an era with 4 Power Conferences and 57 teams.

* The remaining Big 12 schools (Iowa State, Kansas, K-State, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, and West Virginia) are have-nots. There could be additions to the 57, but the leagues will be judicious about adding outsiders and dividing up their revenue pie to do so.

* The ACC is stuck in what he calls "a lopsided television deal" with ESPN through 2036.

 

[hawkfeever]

Clown fans are not going to like what they read.

What stands out in this column:

* The Big 12 was dealt the biggest blow. The B1G, ACC and PAC 12 have no intention of expanding. That leaves the 8 remaining Big 12 schools on the outside looking in.

* While there was speculation for years that there’d be 64 teams remaining in the 4 super leagues, the reality is that we’re headed toward an era with 4 Power Conferences and 57 teams.

* The remaining Big 12 schools (Iowa State, Kansas, K-State, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, and West Virginia) are have-nots. There could be additions to the 57, but the leagues will be judicious about adding outsiders and dividing up their revenue pie to do so.

* The ACC is stuck in what he calls "a lopsided television deal" with ESPN through 2036.

We aren’t adding ISU. Another rug pull coming.