Deacon Hill QB1 for spring ball
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I will say it again. Cade has only played a few games and has had limited reps in over 2 years and we have nobody that can even come close to overtaking the starting position? Now, I am not a smart man, but something about that does not seem logical to me. I mean how is that even possible?
Why you continue to defend Hill and the coaching staff for continuing to play one of the worst QBs in college football is mind boggling. There isn't one, single coach who would play a QB as bad as Hill for that long without at least giving someone else a chance. Not one.
You pass judgement on Marco based on limited action late in a blowout loss, yet conveniently ignore almost an entire season of ineptitude by Hill. Please look at his QB ratings that littlez posted. You can't tell me Marco would be worse than that. And Marco wasn't the only other QB on the roster either. To not give someone else a chance....even for a series or two...is unconscionable. I like Kirk, but what he has done to the quarterback position and the offense is coaching malfeasance as far as I'm concerned.
I am done discussing this with you. You have your opinion and will never change. That's your right. I strongly disagree with much of what you have posted in this thread, so let's leave it at that.
Yep but that’s not what Kirk is really interested in.
Yes Kirk wants to win, but he wants to win with “good kid / story”. Hill by all accounts seems like a great kid. He tries his best. Probably does work hard at practice. He’s also the worst QB any of us have seen at this level.
One positive to the “Kirk” way is it does have its motivational factor. The players know the world talks shit about them so they rally around that narrative. Yeah Hill isn’t good but god damn it he’s our guy!!!
I think any other school / coach who pulls this bullshit with playing an over matched kid would see a divided locker room. Not sure we’ve seen that under Kirk.
Yet as much as the players rally and get fired up they stand no chance of beating a team with any talent. They trip and fall over themselves and find a way to beat the worst of the worst in conference and thay continues to feed their “no one believes in us!!” Narrative. When all it does is mask the truth, the offense sucks and Phils squad saves the day.
QB is literally the most important position in college football, but Iowa coaches the position at a pee-wee league level. Inexcusable.
I swear, Iowa fans are being held hostage by the UI administration and the wealthiest alumni. The only thing exciting about Iowa right now is women's hoops, and without CC the program will revert to its usual "barely Top 25" mean. Men's hoops, wrestling, football, baseball etc. are all stale products and while Iowa racks up meaningless win after meaningless win in a bunch of sports like those, the big boys are running laps around Iowa. The people with the power to change simply don't care.
I will say it. If the offense is not noticeably better than last season a house cleaning is needed for Iowa football.
This 100%. I mean if you're Michigan and can go an entire 2nd half against Penn St w/out throwing the ball then QB isn't that important. We treat every other position on the field w/more importance than QB. It's absolutely mind blowing. We had a game changing Quarterback in Banks over 20 years ago and we've never seen an offense like that again. Once Deacon became QB we brought the offense down to a level never seen before. And people were defending it. Things like " It doesn't matter if the defense knows what you're running." Nope, of course not. It's always better to telegraph everything in advance to make it easier for the other team. All about the execution!
Nobody is debating these stats or Hill's struggles. Nobody is saying they won because of Hill. Although I do contend that Deacon did make a few timely plays along the way that are often called winning plays.
You guys just refuse to believe that it's possible that Marco gave Iowa less chance to win last season (or that Marco wasn't as good as Deacon). Yes there are lots of QB's that have been as bad or worse than Hill in the modern game. They are the true freshman on the sidelines that the game is still moving too fast for.
It's either that ML was clearly behind DH, or that they were moreso even with each other and the staff didn't want to break up a winning dynamic for the team by changing QB's. This is also very understandable. Coaches don't like messing with QB's and coaches don't like messing up a winning dynamic. Coaches are happy to be winning at all with a backup QB. If you're able to pull that off at all, you stick with what you're doing.
It's probably a combination of all of this. But three things tell me the right QB was playing. 1. The players know if the right guy was out there and that team was all-in on each other. 2. The coaches who see these guys in practice every day were choosing to start Hill. 3. And what I saw in the bowl game gave me reason to assume that the game had probably been moving too fast most of the season for ML. Yes, a QB out there that isn't able to get through his reads would have done worse than Hill. Again, I just don't believe that Iowa would have won as many games with Marco as Cade's replacement instead of Deacon. Even just an extra year of maturity in how you handle and lead the group can be huge.
All that said, I believe Marco is the better prospect and will develop into next season's QB2
Nowhere have I defended Hill or ignored his ineptitude. I'm not sure what you're reading.
If I've passed any judgement on Marco it's been to continuously express that I believe him to be a better prospect and to have more upside than Hill.
What I've said is that there are reasons to believe that the right QB played last year. And you can rest assured that the reasoning I've provided for Hill taking snaps with the ones at this point is a lot more plausible than one concluding that KF is senile or self- sabotaging for one reason or another.
And no, most coaches would not have broken up a winning dynamic amongst the team to give another QB a try. You aren't even close in your assessment of that. As I stated in the above post, if a coach can get wins at all with a backup QB he considers himself blessed. He isn't going to change that dynamic at all, let alone make the drastic change that switching QB's entails. He's already scared as shit to have to have his backup QB in there. And the team is winning games. Coaches just aren't going to mess with that situation by going to a QB that's even further down the depth chart
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So you are not for a won-loss record? Isn't that why they keep score?
Hey Kirk,do these pants make my ass look big?
When is the last time any Iowa QB had the time to work through progressions behind our offensive offensive line? Literally no chance to read, just take one, two steps & you'd better have the ball out of your hands or you'll be flat on your backside.
What if.... Iowa's QB's had 4-5 seconds to read the defense?
What if.... Iowa's offensive line could actually pass protect?
What if... Iowa's wide receiver's could separate and get open down field?
What if.... Iowa had a dependable running game?
Our QB's would probably look at least serviceable. How about that offensive offensive line?
Good question. Goes back to another post regarding scheme or talent or both. I for one think Kirk’s (or Brian’s) FU that I’m going to run what I’m going to run even if you 100% know what’s coming is the biggest problem.
I don’t disagree, but I would bet that KF will be given 2 seasons to fix the mess he’s made, and only because he’s who he is. He definitely won’t be coaching in ‘26 without noticeable and significant improvement on the offensive side of ball, while maintaining at least very good D and ST.
Kirk Ferentz is such a jackass.
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This may be true.
But the point is it didn't look like Lainez was able to process what was happening on the field. This is typical of true freshman.
And if true, explains why Iowa would have had an even tougher time with ML as the full-time QB last season. What he had to offer with his legs just wasn't sustainable for very long if he wasn't able to even have a chance executing the rest of the offense, as the fundamental reads were moving too fast for him.
Should see things slow down substantially for ML this season
When you say winning dynamic, you mean Parker and Taylor. The offense wasn’t worth anything other than being a detriment to success. A smart coach would have tried Marco earlier in the year
Sung to the tune of Mrs. Robinson-"Where have you gone, Nate Stanley? Hawkeye nation turns its lonely eyes to you. Woo, woo, woo"
I now know that he was a ray of sunshine in a cesspool of offensive ineptitude. Worst part about all this is as long as Kirk's tenure continues the probability is that Iowa fans will be pining for 2023 Deacon Hill level of QB play.
Still not ready to give Spencer Petras credit but after this year I suspect that I will be looking forward to 3rd down passes short of the sticks and overthrown balls on simple outs on 4th down.
I will always be a Hawkeye fan but gosh darn it why do they make it so hard?
Tequila. Way too much tequila on a Friday night..
I now know that he was a ray of sunshine in a cesspool of offensive ineptitude. Worst part about all this is as long as Kirk's tenure continues the probability is that Iowa fans will be pining for 2023 Deacon Hill level of QB play.
Still not ready to give Spencer Petras credit but after this year I suspect that I will be looking forward to 3rd down passes short of the sticks and overthrown balls on simple outs on 4th down.
I will always be a Hawkeye fan but gosh darn it why do they make it so hard?
Tequila. Way too much tequila on a Friday night..
Wouldn't completely shock me if SP is actually serviceable for Utah State.
About the OLine: Why are they so woefully inadequate?
Doyle should have been fired after the rhabdo deal, but was he THAT critical to the OLine's success as some have indicated?
Personally I think the key problem is Kirk's archaic, predictable, unreasonably "complex" POS Offensive scheme,
however I am wondering about the impact of Doyle's nonpresence on the Oline.
Doyle should have been fired after the rhabdo deal, but was he THAT critical to the OLine's success as some have indicated?
Personally I think the key problem is Kirk's archaic, predictable, unreasonably "complex" POS Offensive scheme,
however I am wondering about the impact of Doyle's nonpresence on the Oline.
You are trying to make a rational argument about what other coaches would do in regards to the QB position and the offense. We are not talking about other coaches . We are talking about the guy who turned the offense over to his unqualified kid and then doubled down and made him QB coach and recruiter and it is solely Kirk’s fault that the offense has been destroyed. I don’t trust any decision that Kirk is making in regards to the offense these days.
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I will say it. The house needed to be cleaned this year, not just Brian. Beth whiffed, IMHO.
That said, the W-L record clearly affects people psychologically.
If Iowa goes 10-2 (the upside) and the offense remains similarly stagnant, does that still necessitate a housecleaning?
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If Iowa goes 7-5 (which is also quite possible looking at the schedule), then....yeah more of us will be irate and demand further change.
If I'm behind Hill I'd be down the road this summer! Find another college or get out. I thought KF brought in another new OQ. If Hill plays we might as well bring Brian back for dad....
The reason I was talking about other coaches was in response to how Pee-Wee83 said other coaches would have handled the QB situation last season.
And I don't agree with what you've said in the rest of your post
That may be true.
Mostly everyone except a few sadists want to see competent football on all three phases. Its a lot more fun and entertaining that way.
Seeing a QB go 8-21 89 0TD 2INT 3FBL (2 lost) and feeling the anxiety of watching a defense have to play 99.999999% perfect football to hold on….no thanks. Boo urns
Mostly everyone except a few sadists want to see competent football on all three phases. Its a lot more fun and entertaining that way.
Seeing a QB go 8-21 89 0TD 2INT 3FBL (2 lost) and feeling the anxiety of watching a defense have to play 99.999999% perfect football to hold on….no thanks. Boo urns
They’re aren’t good when they HAVE time.
It was one of the last games - Remember when Hill slowly rolled out to his right…had much longer than 4-5 seconds to do something…anything…then just decided to take a sack from the defender that was obviously jogging up from the back-side of the DL.
It’s pathetic.
Fans will be booing the second Hill steps on the field (unless it is garbage time mop up duty....and even then they still might).
That speaks to the third point, wide receiver separation. And it's all pathetic.
DH was horrible last year. So what did he do in the off season to improve and prove to people he can be a better QB? He put on weight.
THAT shows you what DH thinks of all of this.
THAT shows you what DH thinks of all of this.
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