Defense Secretary Austin orders renaming of military bases with Confederate ties - will cost 62.5 million.
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I’m not saying the racist aspect is a small thing. I’m just seeing people being offended more and more these days over the smallest this.
I’m not against them changing the names. I just took it a step further in wondering where this stops.
That is a lot of signs, stationary and other things. Are they coming after Fort Sam Houston here in San Antonio next?
I don’t understand your point I guess. They were subjects of the British government and actively rebelled against that government. Relevant definition From Webster, "one who betrays another's trust or is false to an obligation or duty. : one who commits treason."
Conspiring to overthrow or over turn a government is treason. That makes them traitors. You seem to be saying that hindsight removes that distinction. Perhaps we should argue that their actions at the time would be considered traitorous.
LOL, you’ve been black how many days of your life? And, again, the bases are named for traitors and losers.
What’s the limit of your whataboutisms and love for traitors? It seems bottomless. If Trump had done this you’d have cheered the move.
How soon until the GQP makes a hero out of McVeigh for refusing to bow down to the deep state?
How long have you been black mister faux outraged?
Because I didn’t hear a peep from you about these bases being named after traitors and losers until after the summer of George Floyd.
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Our founding fathers broke away from a tyrannical monarch ruling from across the ocean, unfairly taxing without allowing any representation in his government.
The south broke away from an established American government they had full representation in, because they wanted to keep treating other human beings like animals, unfettered and without recourse.
Exactly the same, eh?
Once renamed, probably the BEST move the US Military ever made. But for a treasonist bastard such as you and other MAGAts, I can understand your angst.According to the commission’s report, Fort Benning will be named Fort Moore; Fort Polk will be renamed Fort Johnson; Fort Bragg will become Fort Liberty; Fort Gordon will become Fort Eisenhower; Fort Hood will become Fort Cavazos; Fort Lee will become Fort Gregg-Adams; Fort Pickett will become Fort Barfoot; Fort Rucker will be renamed to Fort Novosel.
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The federally mandated Naming Committee estimated the undertaking to cost as much as $62.5 million, according to Stars and Stripes.
Full article:
Defense Secretary Austin orders renaming of military bases with Confederate ties
Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin issued a memo approving a plan to rename nine Army bases, two Navy ships and other items bearing the names of Confederate officers.www.foxnews.com
I checked out William Henry Johnson who inspired the new name for Fort Polk. (Where I once spent a year)
He seems like a worthy fellow. He has loads of (posthumous) medals including one from France. (His unit was attached to a French unit during WWI.)
The American Legion Theodore Roosevelt, Jr., son of former United States President Theodore Roosevelt, once referred to Johnson as one of the "five bravest Americans" to have served in World War I.
.... and much more is mentioned on Wikipedia.
He seems like a worthy fellow. He has loads of (posthumous) medals including one from France. (His unit was attached to a French unit during WWI.)
The American Legion Theodore Roosevelt, Jr., son of former United States President Theodore Roosevelt, once referred to Johnson as one of the "five bravest Americans" to have served in World War I.
.... and much more is mentioned on Wikipedia.
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that’s the problem. The right thinks all this started with George Floyd.
George Floyd is what it took for the right (and even a lot of the left) to acknowledge reality.
Walter Scott was shot in in the back by a cop who subsequently planted a weapon on him. It got caught on tape.
now think, is this the first and only time an officer lied on a report? Or the first time caught red handed?
communities have been screaming about these things for generations. It took it happening on video in your living room to believe it.
stop pretending George Floyd was the start and not the straw that broke the camels back.
What makes you think the George Floyd death was racially motivated? During the Chauvin trial, can you point out any instances where race was brought up.
Of course bad cops have been here for a long time and didn’t start in 2020. Renaming bases and pulling down statues that offended people is relatively new. And please explain why they pull down and destroyed a statue of Lincoln.
This has been a subject of debate for decades. It was gaining momentum, but the murder of George Floyd accelerated the movement. It gave the apologists like Joni Ernst no cover.
To say this only became an issue in 2020 is flat out wrong.
According to modern day GOP beliefs, the confederacy was created/supported by the democrats (same party as today, right?) so going by that logic, it should be republicans cheering this on.
William Henry Johnson was a member of the Harlem Hellfighters. They were attached to France supposedly because of racism in the military that had nothing to do with the commanding officers. France was happy to have them because they needed men and they were an awesome unit.
Who cares? We know the actual cost. Your doubling down on the "cost" non-issue only reinforces how completely full of shit you are.
It's obvious that you really care about and like having US military bases named after traitorous Confederates. Just say it.
I care.
62.5 million is NOT a non issue for responsible people.
I'd hate to see the credit card statements of HROT leftists.
No you don't.
You ever say anything about the cost of the Afghanistan war, or the explosion of the debt under Trump? (8 trillion for @markfromj ) But now you are purportedly concerned about a 65 million expenditure to eliminate Confederate traitors' names?
Also, couple questions for you:
You do agree that the Confederate leaders were traitors, right?
And have you finally come around to believing the fake offer of job benefits to the people shipped to Martha’s Vineyard by Perla, a former Army counterintelligence agent, and the DeSantis campaign was a hoax and cruel stunt?
lol
62.5mn is .0011% of the govt 5.35 trillion expense.
if your average leftist makes $100k, you’re judging how they spend roughly $1.
I can’t tell if you are 6 years old and just haven’t developed the part of the brain that approaches logic, or if you’re an 80 year old who is so stubborn they refuse to use any part of their brain to learn.
You can find threads on this very subject that I participated in if you dig around in the bowels of HROT.
This issue is emblematic of how Trump skillfully stroked grievances and turned everything tribal. Getting a vaccine. Tribal. Taking the names of traitors off military bases. Tribal. Legitimacy of elections if your side lost. Tribal. It was all there bubbling under the surface for him.
You said bowels. Anyway, go ahead and change them. 65 million is nothing compared to what we spend on other things. Then we can move onto the next problem of many.
I've criticized the MIC and foreign follies for years. The difference between people like you and I is that I criticize it consistently where as you and your ilk are peace activists while a Republican is in office and then suddenly are on the war path when a Democrat is in office.
Sure sure.
People of your ilk demand answers to their questions and refuse to answer questions that make them uncomfortable. See you missed my questions again. Must have been an innocent oversight on your part.
Here you go:
You do agree that the Confederate leaders were traitors, right?
And have you finally come around to believing the fake offer of job benefits to the people shipped to Martha’s Vineyard by Perla, a former Army counterintelligence agent, and the DeSantis campaign was a hoax and cruel stunt?
This might be a little borderline, but it is true to the era. In any event, he did get a little recognition in a 1918 lithograph. His buddy, Robert Needham is in the background:
Our Colored Heroes (1918), by E.G. Renesch of Chicago. The "Our Colored Heroes" lithograph, published by E.G. Renesch in 1918, depicts the German raid on then-Pvt. Henry Johnson and Pvt. Robert Needham during World War I. The lithograph quotes Gen. Pershing, who praises the two African American sentries, who "continued fighting after receiving wounds and despite the use of grenades by a superior force." (Image courtesy of the Tennessee State Library and Archives)
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I am now wondering if his buddy, Pvt. Needham is getting a fort named after him? Why not?
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Like we tell them right before a Democrat gets elected. Otherwise spending is necessary.
Says the idiot who would vote for Herschel Walker over a good human. You like corruption.
NOW you're getting it! He made a false equivalency and you completely owned him by calling it out. Perfect reply. Extremely well done.
There are truly posts that you shouldn't make. This is one of them you goddamn idiot.
