***Definitive Tale of the Tape Thread: FSU vs Iowa***

[Menace Sockeyes]

Okay, so I did this years back with Stanford alumni, figuring out a list for school bragging rights. We were neck-and-neck when the totals came in. But it’s time for a definitive schlong measuring contest with you Dongers. I think Iowa will have some historical advantages and FSU current day advantages. Here we go, Noleyes...

US News & World Report Top 100 Ranking - FSU: 70 (26 public) Iowa: 89 (38 public) ADV: FSU
Programs Ranked #1 in last 5 years - FSU 4, Iowa: 6 ADV: Iowa
Prestigious Elite Program - FSU: Criminology, Iowa: Creative Writing/Speech (tie) ADV: TIE - (Seminoles solve it, Hawkeyes turn it into a blockbuster)
Most Famous Journalist Alumnus - FSU: Hunter S. Thompson, Iowa: Tom Brokaw ADV: TIE
Most Famous Business Alumnus - FSU: Todd Combs, Iowa: Howard Hughes Sr. ADV: Iowa
Most Famous Tech Guru - FSU: Caroline Griner (NASA), Iowa: Ted Waitt (Gateway) ADV: Iowa
Most Famous Political Figure - FSU: Charlie Crist, Iowa: Terry Branstad ADV: FSU
Most Famous Actor: FSU: Burt Reynolds, Iowa: Gene Wilder ADV: Iowa
Most Famous Sex Symbol - FSU: Jenn Sterger, Iowa: Ashton Kutcher ADV: FSU
Most Famous Professor - FSU: Sir Harold Kroto, Iowa: Kurt Vonnegut ADV: TIE
Best Justice - FSU: Rudi Contreras, Iowa: Juanita Stout ADV: Iowa
Best Scientist - FSU: Sylvia Earle (NOAA), Iowa: James Van Allen ADV: TIE
Best Musician - FSU, Jim Morrison/Rita Coolidge: Simon Estes/Al Jarreau ADV: TIE
Best Writer - FSU: Hunter S Thompson, Iowa: Tennessee Williams, John Irving, Sandra Cisneros, Diablo Cody, Charles Guggenheim, etc. ADV: Iowa
Team National Championships - FSU 19, Iowa 26 ADV:Iowa
Football National Championships - FSU 3 Iowa 1 (3 if counting pre-war) ADV: FSU
Best Athlete Alumnus - FSU: Deion Sanders Fred Biletnikoff, Charlie Ward. Iowa: Andre Tippet, Tom Brands, Nile Kinnick ADV: FSU
Best Alumnus Coach - FSU: Tony LaRussa, Bruce Bochy Iowa: Lou Holtz, Bob Stoops, Eddie Robinson (tie) ADV: Iowa
Best Coach (Faculty) - FSU: Bobby Bowden, Iowa: Dan Gable ADV: Iowa
Academy Award Winning Alumni - FSU 4, Iowa 4
ADV: TIE
Grammy Award Winning Alumni - FSU 1, Iowa 2 ADV: Iowa
Emmy Award Winning Alumni - FSU 1, Iowa 3 ADV: Iowa
Nobel Prize Winning Faculty - FSU 6, Iowa 1 ADV: FSU
Pulitzer Prize Winning Alumni - FSU 2, Iowa 17 ADV: Iowa
#1 "Most______College Town" Lists - FSU: Tree Lined, Delicious Water, Mid-Size City, Iowa - Partying, Least Stressed, Liveable, (3rd "Best" overall) ADV: Iowa

 

[The Tradition]

Okay, so I did this years back with Stanford alumni, figuring out a list for school bragging rights. We were neck-and-neck when the totals came in. But it’s time for a definitive schlong measuring contest with you Dongers. I think Iowa will have some historical advantages and FSU current day advantages. Here we go, Noleyes...

US News & World Report Top 100 Ranking - FSU: 70 (26 public) Iowa: 89 (38 public) ADV: FSU
Programs Ranked #1 in last 5 years - FSU 4, Iowa: 6 ADV: Iowa
Prestigious Elite Program - FSU: Criminology, Iowa: Creative Writing/Speech (tie) ADV: TIE - (Seminoles solve it, Hawkeyes turn it into a blockbuster)
Most Famous Journalist Alumnus - FSU: Hunter S. Thompson, Iowa: Tom Brokaw ADV: TIE
Most Famous Business Alumnus - FSU: Todd Combs, Iowa: Howard Hughes Sr. ADV: Iowa
Most Famous Tech Guru - FSU: Caroline Grindr (NASA), Iowa: Ted Waitt (Gateway) ADV: Iowa
Most Famous Political Figure - FSU: Charlie Crist, Iowa: Terry Branstad ADV: FSU
Most Famous Actor: FSU: Burt Reynolds, Iowa: Gene Wilder ADV: Iowa
Most Famous Sex Symbol - FSU: Jenn Sterger, Iowa: Ashton Kutcher ADV: FSU
Most Famous Professor - FSU: Sir Harold Kroto, Iowa: Kurt Vonnegut ADV: TIE
Best Justice - FSU: Rudi Contreras, Iowa: Juanita Stout ADV: Iowa
Best Scientist - FSU: Sylvia Earle (NOAA), Iowa: James Van Allen ADV: TIE
Best Musician - FSU, Jim Morrison/Rita Coolidge: Simon Estes/Al Jarreau ADV: TIE
Best Writer - FSU: Hunter S Thompson, Iowa: Tennessee Williams, John Irving, Sandra Cisneros, Diablo Cody, Charles Guggenheim, etc. ADV: Iowa
Team National Championships - FSU 19, Iowa 26 ADV:Iowa
Football National Championships - FSU 3 Iowa 1 (3 if counting pre-war) ADV: FSU
Best Athlete Alumnus - FSU: Deion Sanders Fred Biletnikoff, Charlie Ward. Iowa: Andre Tippet, Tom Brands, Nile Kinnick ADV: FSU
Best Alumnus Coach - FSU: Tony LaRussa, Bruce Bochy Iowa: Lou Holtz, Bob Stoops, Eddie Robinson (tie) ADV: Iowa
Best Coach (Faculty) - FSU: Bobby Bowden, Iowa: Dan Gable ADV: Iowa
Academy Award Winning Alumni - FSU 4, Iowa 4
ADV: TIE
Grammy Award Winning Alumni - FSU 1, Iowa 2 ADV: Iowa
Emmy Award Winning Alumni - FSU 1, Iowa 3 ADV: Iowa
Nobel Prize Winning Faculty - FSU 6, Iowa 1 ADV: FSU
Pulitzer Prize Winning Alumni - FSU 2, Iowa 17 ADV: Iowa
#1 "Most______College Town" Lists - FSU: Tree Lined, Delicious Water, Mid-Size City, Iowa - Partying, Least Stressed, Liveable, (3rd "Best" overall) ADV: Iowa

There is so much wrong with this that I don't even know where to begin.

No wait... yes I do: Bobby Bowden > Iowa ADV: FSU

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

There is so much wrong with this that I don't even know where to begin.

No wait... yes I do: Bobby Bowden > Iowa ADV: FSU

Over Dan Gable and Iowa's 17 team NCAA Championship Titles? Um, no. That was an easy one.

 

[The Tradition]

Over Dan Gable and Iowa's 17 team NCAA Championship Titles? Um, no. That was an easy one.

You have no clue, dude.

When Bobby Bowden came to town, Florida State was absolutely awful. FSU was 3-8 the year before he got there, and 1-10 the year before that, and 0-11 the year before that!

Bobby Bowden turned FSU into a national power, and is arguably, the most-winningest football coach in NCAA history.

Just stop.

 

[McLovin32]

There is so much wrong with this that I don't even know where to begin.

No wait... yes I do: Bobby Bowden > Iowa ADV: FSU

Yeah you’re wrong here Trad.

 

[butch25uni]

The fact that FSU is a higher rated university than Iowa (per US News etc) is depressing - makes me want to send my degree back and ask for a refund

 

[West Duval Nole]

But Reynolds>>>>>>>> Gene Wilder.

Most Famous Business Alumnus - Sara Blakely

 

[McLovin32]

Most Famous Business Alumnus - Sara Blakely

Wood smash

 

[Obviously Oblivious]

Tom Brokaw was at Iowa long enough to have a cup of coffee and is not an alumnus.

Jenn Sterger over Ashton Kutcher? Bitch please!

Kroto who? Vonnegut all day long.

Van Allen destroys Earle (who is she?)

Morrison/Coolidge > Estes/Jarreau

Griner>Waitt (piecing together PCs for profit isn’t very remarkable, sorry)

 

[HawCory]

There is so much wrong with this that I don't even know where to begin.

No wait... yes I do: Bobby Bowden > Iowa ADV: FSU

Of all the points you could have argued with, you chose the one that had the potential to make you look the most stupid.
Bowden's idea of a national power is on par with Gable's idea of mediocrity.

 

[DFSNOLE]

Yeah you’re wrong here Trad.

I'm not trying to denigrate Dan Gable or Iowa wrestling but
NCAA football >>>>>>>NCAA Wrestling

 

[The Tradition]

I'm not trying to denigrate Dan Gable or Iowa wrestling but
NCAA football >>>>>>>NCAA Wrestling

This.

 

[McLovin32]

I'm not trying to denigrate Dan Gable or Iowa wrestling but
NCAA football >>>>>>>NCAA Wrestling

I’d agree but that’s just an opinion. From a coaching achievement standpoint, Bowden isn’t even remotely close to Gable’s level.

 

[HawCory]

I'm not trying to denigrate Dan Gable or Iowa wrestling but
NCAA football >>>>>>>NCAA Wrestling

No doubt, but that doesn't change the fact that Bowden isn't worthy of being compared Gable from a coaching standpoint.

 

[The Tradition]

No doubt, but that doesn't change the fact that Bowden isn't worthy of being compared Gable from a coaching standpoint.

Apples and oranges.

But I would guess a nationwide poll would reveal that Bobby Bowden is more well-known than Dan Gable.

 

[McLovin32]

Apples and oranges.

But I would guess a nationwide poll would reveal that Bobby Bowden is more well-known than Dan Gable.

We’re not talking about popularity.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

It is harder to win one wrestling national championship, but it is easier to win multiple once you do. Nine straight national titles in the 1980s, 17 overall, is hard to beat.

 

[HawCory]

Apples and oranges.

But I would guess a nationwide poll would reveal that Bobby Bowden is more well-known than Dan Gable.

That isn't relevant, but if you want to go there I would guess that a worldwide poll would reveal that Gable is more well-known than Bowden.

 

[The Tradition]

We’re not talking about popularity.

I'm talking about national reputation. No one gives a crap about wrestling.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

But Reynolds>>>>>>>> Gene Wilder.

Most Famous Business Alumnus - Sara Blakely

 

[Jerome Silberman]

Apples and oranges.

But I would guess a nationwide poll would reveal that Bobby Bowden is more well-known than Dan Gable.

And a worldwide poll would have people saying, "who the f@ck is Bobby Bowden?".

 

[McLovin32]

I'm talking about national reputation. No one gives a crap about wrestling.

Lol oh Trad.

 

[The Tradition]

Here's a Nole that Iowa cannot match:

 

[DFSNOLE]

And a worldwide poll would have people saying, "who the f@ck is Bobby Bowden?".

But they would know Dan Gable?

 

[The Tradition]

Lol oh Trad.

Wake me when the college wrestling championship match is shown on all the ESPN channels at the same time....

 

[HawCory]

I'm talking about national reputation. No one gives a crap about wrestling.

Still irrelevant as to who was the better coach.

I can state with a high degree of confidence that if Gable had been on FSU's sideline, decent kickers would have never missed routine kicks with championships on the line, which was a recurring problem for Bowden iirc. Gable would have had them mentally prepared for the situation and his wrestlers routinely outperformed expectations when it mattered most.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

I'm talking about national reputation. No one gives a crap about wrestling.

https://www.espn.com/page2/s/list/topcoaches/010518.html

 

[DFSNOLE]

https://www.espn.com/page2/s/list/topcoaches/010518.html

A fan poll???

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

But they would know Dan Gable?

He’s a massive celebrity in Russia, Iran, and other countries where wrestling is a national pastime.

 

[McLovin32]

Wake me when the college wrestling championship match is shown on all the ESPN channels at the same time....

Dude I don’t give a flying shit about wrestling. But I can acknowledge that Gable was far more dominant in his major college sport than Bowden was in his. I’m not saying Bowden is a bad coach, but Gable was on a different level.

“From 1976 to 1997, Gable was the head wrestling coach at the University of Iowa. Gable's teams compiled a dual meet record of 355–21–5. He coached 152 all-Americans, 45 national champions, 106 Big Ten Champions and 12 Olympians, including eight medalists. His teams won 21 Big Ten Conferencechampionships, and 17 NCAA Division I titles.[5]

In addition to coaching folkstyle wrestling at the University of Iowa, Gable coached freestyle wrestling. Gable was the head coach of three Olympic teams and six world teams.”

 

[HawCory]

Here's a Nole that Iowa cannot match:

I'm sure there are some failed coaches who attended Iowa that we can dig up to equal that offering.

 

[The Tradition]

Dude I don’t give a flying shit about wrestling. But I can acknowledge that Gable was far more dominant in his major college sport than Bowden was in his. I’m not saying Bowden is a bad coach, but Gable was on a different level.

“From 1976 to 1997, Gable was the head wrestling coach at the University of Iowa. Gable's teams compiled a dual meet record of 355–21–5. He coached 152 all-Americans, 45 national champions, 106 Big Ten Champions and 12 Olympians, including eight medalists. His teams won 21 Big Ten Conferencechampionships, and 17 NCAA Division I titles.[5]

In addition to coaching folkstyle wrestling at the University of Iowa, Gable coached freestyle wrestling. Gable was the head coach of three Olympic teams and six world teams.”

That's great. UCLA had a great synchronized swimming coach back in the day, too.

 

[McLovin32]

That's great. UCLA had a great synchronized swimming coach back in the day, too.

Ah yes, finally recognizing you’re being dumb. Love when that happens.

 

[The Tradition]

Ah yes, finally recognizing you’re being dumb. Love when that happens.

Just curious... was Iowa good at wrestling before Dan got the coaching gig?

 

[Jerome Silberman]

But they would know Dan Gable?

Absolutely. Gable is legendary worldwide. During his Olympic gold run the entire Soviet block was out to not only beat him, bit to break him...he didn't give up a single point. He then went on to rival Wooden in the domination of his sport while coaching in college, and was responsible for coaching many Qorld and Olympic medalists. His life will be deserving of Congressional recognition when we lose him.

Edit to add: Gable was only the third wrestler to have ever been inducted into the United World Wrestling's Hall of Fame in the Legend category

 

[The Tradition]

Also, does this mean Geno Auriemma is the greatest coach of all?

 

[HawCory]

He’s a massive celebrity in Russia, Iran, and other countries where wrestling is a national pastime.

I remember reading an anecdote about a guy from Iowa that got a cab ride in Egypt to go see the pyramids and the driver refused to take fare money from him because he was wearing a Hawkeye wrestling shirt and the cabby was a Gable fan. IIRC, the tourist ended up giving the cabby his shirt lol.

 

[McLovin32]

I remember reading an anecdote about a guy from Iowa that got a cab ride in Egypt to go see the pyramids and the driver refused to take fare money from him because he was wearing a Hawkeye wrestling shirt and the cabby was a Gable fan. IIRC, the tourist ended up giving the cabby his shirt lol.

That’s awesome lol

 

[Jerome Silberman]

A fan poll???

Yes a fan poll. It proves more than just Iowans and wrestling fan know who he is. Bowden isn't even the best college football coach to have a job in Florida.

 

[The Tradition]

Yes a fan poll. It proves more than just Iowans and wrestling fan know who he is. Bowden isn't even the best college football coach to have a job in Florida.