***Definitive Tale of the Tape Thread: FSU vs Iowa***

[Menace Sockeyes]

So the Big 10 is the only conference with all its members having teams. Talk about an easy road to the playoffs.

And how many teams were there when Gabe was coaching? I'd bet far fewer.

Actually far more. 23 teams have been lost since Gable stepped down. 168 since 1972, thanks in large part to Title IX.

EDIT: Some are coming back. Gable and Iowa were unfairly blamed for many former major programs (Auburn, UCLA, Arizona, and San Jose St) dropping during his title dominance.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

So the Big 10 is the only conference with all its members having teams. Talk about an easy road to the playoffs.

And how many teams were there when Gabe was coaching? I'd bet far fewer.

Neither coach dealt with playoffs.

 

[Finance85]

Okay, so I did this years back with Stanford alumni, figuring out a list for school bragging rights. We were neck-and-neck when the totals came in. But it’s time for a definitive schlong measuring contest with you Dongers. I think Iowa will have some historical advantages and FSU current day advantages. Here we go, Noleyes...

US News & World Report Top 100 Ranking - FSU: 70 (26 public) Iowa: 89 (38 public) ADV: FSU
Programs Ranked #1 in last 5 years - FSU 4, Iowa: 6 ADV: Iowa
Prestigious Elite Program - FSU: Criminology, Iowa: Creative Writing/Speech (tie) ADV: TIE - (Seminoles solve it, Hawkeyes turn it into a blockbuster)
Most Famous Journalist Alumnus - FSU: Hunter S. Thompson, Iowa: Tom Brokaw ADV: TIE
Most Famous Business Alumnus - FSU: Todd Combs, Iowa: Howard Hughes Sr. ADV: Iowa
Most Famous Tech Guru - FSU: Caroline Griner (NASA), Iowa: Ted Waitt (Gateway) ADV: Iowa
Most Famous Political Figure - FSU: Charlie Crist, Iowa: Terry Branstad ADV: FSU
Most Famous Actor: FSU: Burt Reynolds, Iowa: Gene Wilder ADV: Iowa
Most Famous Sex Symbol - FSU: Jenn Sterger, Iowa: Ashton Kutcher ADV: FSU
Most Famous Professor - FSU: Sir Harold Kroto, Iowa: Kurt Vonnegut ADV: TIE
Best Justice - FSU: Rudi Contreras, Iowa: Juanita Stout ADV: Iowa
Best Scientist - FSU: Sylvia Earle (NOAA), Iowa: James Van Allen ADV: TIE
Best Musician - FSU, Jim Morrison/Rita Coolidge: Simon Estes/Al Jarreau ADV: TIE
Best Writer - FSU: Hunter S Thompson, Iowa: Tennessee Williams, John Irving, Sandra Cisneros, Diablo Cody, Charles Guggenheim, etc. ADV: Iowa
Team National Championships - FSU 19, Iowa 26 ADV:Iowa
Football National Championships - FSU 3 Iowa 1 (3 if counting pre-war) ADV: FSU
Best Athlete Alumnus - FSU: Deion Sanders Fred Biletnikoff, Charlie Ward. Iowa: Andre Tippet, Tom Brands, Nile Kinnick ADV: FSU
Best Alumnus Coach - FSU: Tony LaRussa, Bruce Bochy Iowa: Lou Holtz, Bob Stoops, Eddie Robinson (tie) ADV: Iowa
Best Coach (Faculty) - FSU: Bobby Bowden, Iowa: Dan Gable ADV: Iowa
Academy Award Winning Alumni - FSU 4, Iowa 4
ADV: TIE
Grammy Award Winning Alumni - FSU 1, Iowa 2 ADV: Iowa
Emmy Award Winning Alumni - FSU 1, Iowa 3 ADV: Iowa
Nobel Prize Winning Faculty - FSU 6, Iowa 1 ADV: FSU
Pulitzer Prize Winning Alumni - FSU 2, Iowa 17 ADV: Iowa
#1 "Most______College Town" Lists - FSU: Tree Lined, Delicious Water, Mid-Size City, Iowa - Partying, Least Stressed, Liveable, (3rd "Best" overall) ADV: Iowa

Burt Reynolds > Gene Wilder FSU
Bobby Bowden > Iowa FSU

 

[torbee]

That tourist’s name? Steven Patrick.

And now you know...the rest...of the story.

I think it was @bladel and I believe he was there on business. And I don't think he gave him the shirt.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

Burt Reynolds > Gene Wilder FSU
Bobby Bowden > Iowa FSU

Again, No. I can understand quibbling with some, but not those.

 

[funksouljon]

Best Coach (Faculty) - FSU: Bobby Bowden, Iowa: Dan Gable ADV: Iowa

Okay, so looking at his resume, I can see where you are coming from. So perhaps it would be better state this way.

Best Coach (For sports preferred by boring states and 3rd world countries) - FSU: N/A (who is the swimming coach?), Iowa: Dan Gable ADV: Iowa
Best Coach (For American popular sports) - FSU: Bobby Bowden, Iowa: all combined ADV: FSU

There, problem solved.

 

[pablow]

I don't know much about Bowden, but anyone questioning Gable's dominance as a coach is a flatout moron.

 

[torbee]

So the Big 10 is the only conference with all its members having teams. Talk about an easy road to the playoffs.

And how many teams were there when Gabe was coaching? I'd bet far fewer.

Again - you are going to ignore MULTIPLE OLYMPIC GOLD MEDALS as an athlete AND as a coach?

In the world, American football is the "niche sport" and wrestling is a legit world competition.

Gable AINEC.

 

[torbee]

I don't know much about Bowden, but anyone questioning Gable's dominance as a coach is a flatout moron.

Venn diagram between "flatout moron" and "FSU fan" has a LOT of shared space.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

Okay, so looking at his resume, I can see where you are coming from. So perhaps it would be better state this way.

Best Coach (For sports preferred by boring states and 3rd world countries) - FSU: N/A (who is the swimming coach?), Iowa: Dan Gable ADV: Iowa
Best Coach (For American popular sports) - FSU: Bobby Bowden, Iowa: all combined ADV: FSU

There, problem solved.

I think you also have a "lost in translation" moment between southerners and northerners here. Wrestling is very popular in Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Basically all northern (cold winter) states that have many rural high schools. The demand for NCAA Wrestling tickets has gotten absurd...
https://www.papowerwrestling.com/heres-what-is-causing-shortage-of-ncaa-tickets-in-pittsburgh/

Next season it will be at US Bank Stadium (!) with Iowa an early favorite.

Again - you are going to ignore MULTIPLE OLYMPIC GOLD MEDALS as an athlete AND as a coach?

In the world, American football is the "niche sport" and wrestling is a legit world competition.

Gable AINEC.

And don't forget the oldest sport in western civilization, as well as the most popular of the Ancient Olympics.

 

[torbee]

I think you also have a "lost in translation" moment between southerners and northerners here. Wrestling is very popular in Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Basically all northern (cold winter) states that have many rural high schools. The demand for NCAA Wrestling tickets has gotten absurd...
https://www.papowerwrestling.com/heres-what-is-causing-shortage-of-ncaa-tickets-in-pittsburgh/



And don't forget the oldest sport in western civilization, as well as the most popular of the Ancient Olympics.

You left out the entire northeast as well- wrestling is up there with lacrosse and field hockey at many, many of those fancy NE prep schools. That's where John Irving came from, for example. New York, New Hampshire, Mass., Connecticut, New Jersey are all very big wrestling states. It is also becoming increasingly popular in the Southwest, particularly Arizona, likely due to so many Midwest transplants.

I'd say at most northern universities, high schools and prep schools, wrestling is a bigger sport than baseball.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

You left out the entire northeast as well- wrestling is up there with lacrosse and field hockey at many, many of those fancy NE prep schools. That's where John Irving came from, for example. New York, New Hampshire, Mass., Connecticut, New Jersey are all very big wrestling states. It is also becoming increasingly popular in the Southwest, particularly Arizona, likely due to so many Midwest transplants.

I'd say at most northern universities, high schools and prep schools, wrestling is a bigger sport than baseball.

Good point. The "wrestling belt" does extend through New York and New Jersey. Hockey has made inroads, but those are traditional wrestling states. Especially New Jersey with Rutgers now in the B1G. But Arizona State has been big for years. It was huge in California for decades post-war, with all the Okies that had migrated after the Dust Bowl.

 

[funksouljon]

I think you also have a "lost in translation" moment between southerners and northerners here. Wrestling is very popular in Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Basically all northern (cold winter) states that have many rural high schools. The demand for NCAA Wrestling tickets has gotten absurd...
https://www.papowerwrestling.com/heres-what-is-causing-shortage-of-ncaa-tickets-in-pittsburgh/

Next season it will be at US Bank Stadium (!) with Iowa an early favorite.



And don't forget the oldest sport in western civilization, as well as the most popular of the Ancient Olympics.

You left out the entire northeast as well- wrestling is up there with lacrosse and field hockey at many, many of those fancy NE prep schools. That's where John Irving came from, for example. New York, New Hampshire, Mass., Connecticut, New Jersey are all very big wrestling states. It is also becoming increasingly popular in the Southwest, particularly Arizona, likely due to so many Midwest transplants.

I'd say at most northern universities, high schools and prep schools, wrestling is a bigger sport than baseball.

Yeah, like I said. Boring.


I did have to check and just see how many schools have wrestling. It is definitely a limited "regional" sport so was curious. 229 programs have it, across all 3 NCAA levels, 76 in D1. https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristi...stling-isnt-at-division-i-level/#3f2e78c42fcc

I get it, it's huge in some areas, but considering 76 D1 programs, It is comparable to D1 bowling. <shrug> sorry. I love the wrestling pedigree as it translates to MMA, but apparently most Americans just don't participate or care.

 

[The Tradition]

I think you also have a "lost in translation" moment between southerners and northerners here. Wrestling is very popular in Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Basically all northern (cold winter) states that have many rural high schools. The demand for NCAA Wrestling tickets has gotten absurd...
https://www.papowerwrestling.com/heres-what-is-causing-shortage-of-ncaa-tickets-in-pittsburgh/

Next season it will be at US Bank Stadium (!) with Iowa an early favorite.



And don't forget the oldest sport in western civilization, as well as the most popular of the Ancient Olympics.

I'm pretty sure foot racing was a sport before wrestling was.

 

[torbee]

I'm pretty sure foot racing was a sport before wrestling was.

1. Foot racing. 2. Banging OP's mom. 3. Wrestling.

 

[funksouljon]

1. Foot racing. 2. Banging OP's mom. 3. Wrestling.

I hear on frisky friday #2 and 3 are basically the same thing.

 

[torbee]

I hear on frisky friday #2 and 3 are basically the same thing.

OP's mom wears a singlet?

 

[BelemNole]

Team National Championships - FSU 19, Iowa 26 ADV:Iowa

Can we break this down by sport? Iowa- a bunch of wrestling and 1 VERY suspect claim at a football championship.
FSU claims 14 championships in 9 different sports. We don't claim any where both polls voted someone else the champ.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

Team National Championships - FSU 19, Iowa 26 ADV:Iowa

Can we break this down by sport? Iowa- a bunch of wrestling and 1 VERY suspect claim at a football championship.
FSU claims 14 championships in 9 different sports. We don't claim any where both polls voted someone else the champ.

Sure. IOWA 25; FSU 19

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

Team National Championships - FSU 19, Iowa 26 ADV:Iowa

Can we break this down by sport? Iowa- a bunch of wrestling and 1 VERY suspect claim at a football championship.
FSU claims 14 championships in 9 different sports. We don't claim any where both polls voted someone else the champ.

Okay, you are WAY too smart a poster to call our 1958 National Championship "suspect". The football writers were the ONLY poll taken AFTER the bowls. Iowa absolutely DESTROYED a Cal team led by future Super Bowl QB Joe Kapp. That Iowa team BEAT the #4, 6, 8, 15, and 16 ranked teams in the nation that year, and had Heisman Runner-Up and NFL #1 overall pick (Green Bay Packers), Randy Duncan at QB. They had future Green Bay Packer Hall-of-Famer and 3-time Super Bowl dynasty member Bob Jeter (who rushed for a TD and nearly 200 yards in the Rose Bowl), and they smashed a number of Rose Bowl records along the way: longest run, team rushing yards (429), team total yards (516), individual rushing yards (Jeter 194); and first downs (24). And I was being CONSERVATIVE considering the national championships the NCAA recognizes from the Howard Jones days, the same Howard Jones who would go on to turn USC into a football powerhouse.

And our national championships are in Wrestling, Field Hockey, Football, Rifle, Men's Gymnastics, Women's Track and Field. Yeah, you've got three more sports and you may catch us one day (unless next year's wrestling squad turns into the team many think it can), but we aren't one-trick ponies here.

 

[thewop]

You have no clue, dude.

When Bobby Bowden came to town, Florida State was absolutely awful. FSU was 3-8 the year before he got there, and 1-10 the year before that, and 0-11 the year before that!

Bobby Bowden turned FSU into a national power, and is arguably, the most-winningest football coach in NCAA history.

Just stop.

No, sorry. Saban isn't even at Dan Gable's level. Maybe Geno Auriemma is?? There is no debate to be had here that involves a football coach, let alone Bowden, as great as he was.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

No, sorry. Saban isn't even at Dan Gable's level. Maybe Geno Auriemma is?? There is no debate to be had here that involves a football coach, let alone Bowden, as great as he was.

I'd put Saban and Howard Jones close. Multiple national championships at multiple schools, in college athletics' glamor sport.

 

[jellyfish10]

Hai guys...just wanted stop by and say IDGAF but I’ll take some Florida weather right now!

 

[BelemNole]

Okay, you are WAY too smart a poster to call our 1958 National Championship "suspect". The football writers were the ONLY poll taken AFTER the bowls. Iowa absolutely DESTROYED a Cal team led by future Super Bowl QB Joe Kapp. That Iowa team BEAT the #4, 6, 8, 15, and 16 ranked teams in the nation that year, and had Heisman Runner-Up and NFL #1 overall pick (Green Bay Packers), Randy Duncan at QB. They had future Green Bay Packer Hall-of-Famer and 3-time Super Bowl dynasty member Bob Jeter (who rushed for a TD and nearly 200 yards in the Rose Bowl), and they smashed a number of Rose Bowl records along the way: longest run, team rushing yards (429), team total yards (516), individual rushing yards (Jeter 194); and first downs (24). And I was being CONSERVATIVE considering the national championships the NCAA recognizes from the Howard Jones days, the same Howard Jones who would go on to turn USC into a football powerhouse.

And our national championships are in Wrestling, Field Hockey, Football, Rifle, Men's Gymnastics, Women's Track and Field. Yeah, you've got three more sports and you may catch us one day (unless next year's wrestling squad turns into the team many think it can), but we aren't one-trick ponies here.

You beat the #16 team while the #1 team shut out the #12 team. Both AP and Coaches poll had LSU as the champion.

The championships I listed were NCAA recognized. Several of yours are not. But congrats on a half dozen rifle championships from the 20s. I wouldn't trade all of them for one softball from last year. Or soccer.

 

[funksouljon]

You beat the #16 team while the #1 team shut out the #12 team. Both AP and Coaches poll had LSU as the champion.

The championships I listed were NCAA recognized. Several of yours are not. But congrats on a half dozen rifle championships from the 20s. I wouldn't trade all of them for one softball from last year. Or soccer.

WooHoo! We have a title in Rifle! Suck on that you southern hillbillies!

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

You beat the #16 team while the #1 team shut out the #12 team. Both AP and Coaches poll had LSU as the champion.

The championships I listed were NCAA recognized. Several of yours are not. But congrats on a half dozen rifle championships from the 20s. I wouldn't trade all of them for one softball from last year. Or soccer.

Once again, Iowa was the national champion in the ONLY major poll after the bowls of the 1958 season. The resume of our wins speaks for itself. LSU's resume was far less impressive: #6, 12, and 20 as their best wins. The most knowledgeable voters, the football writers, had us as national champions and Grantland Rice Trophy winners (an NCAA recognized national championship).

As far as the NCAA recognition, it's a matter of when the NCAA was formalized. I left off our football national championships from the early '20s though, because the national champion was too hard to gauge then. The rest were legitimately contested as national championships, but that's why I said we'd have some "historical advantages", being a co-ed institution for many more years. Hey, I'd trade a soccer or softball championship in recent years too, but a lot of Iowans wouldn't. The state recently won a D1 National Championship in shooting, via Iowa Central of all schools.

 

[torbee]

And I was being CONSERVATIVE considering the national championships the NCAA recognizes from the Howard Jones days, the same Howard Jones who would go on to turn USC into a football powerhouse.

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No One is to Blame is fantastic, but I actually like the previous album Human's Lib better as an overall listening experience.

 

[Herky T Hawk]

Yes, there is a limit, and here are the teams...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_wrestling_programs

Major point with this list is that a lot of colleges have dropped wresling programs since Gable retired. This list would have been a lot longer during Gable's tenure, especially when he had his run of 9 straight NCAA titles.

 

[srams21]

The championships I listed were NCAA recognized. Several of yours are not.

And I'm not on a Florida board bragging about them. So, there's that ...

 

[TJ8869]

How about we all just agree that Florida State has the edge in weather and in 80s and 90s football success, and Iowa has the advantage in absolutely every other aspect of life. Sound reasonable?

 

[Jerome Silberman]

And I'm not on a Florida board bragging about them. So, there's that ...

Road trip?

 

[srams21]

Road trip?

It wouldn't last long as it sounds like Warchant bans on sight.

But, at least we will overrun their board and it will be fun while it lasts so ...

Let's do it!

 

[DFSNOLE]

WooHoo! We have a title in Rifle! Suck on that you southern hillbillies!

And Field Hockey! Don't forget the Field Hockey! Must've been runner ups in curling.

 

[DFSNOLE]

It wouldn't last long as it sounds like Warchant bans on sight.

But, at least we will overrun their board and it will be fun while it lasts so ...

Let's do it!

Problem is that there are hardly any free boards for you to pillage though I wish you luck.

 

[torbee]

How about we all just agree that Florida State has the edge in weather and in 80s and 90s football success, and Iowa has the advantage in absolutely every other aspect of life. Sound reasonable?

I'd even give them hotness of co-eds, but not by as much as they probably think.

 

[srams21]

Problem is that there are hardly any free boards for you to pillage though I wish you luck.

Who the heck would pay to post on an off topic board?

 

[Gonolz]

Problem is that there are hardly any free boards for you to pillage though I wish you luck.

Isn't there a free one that covers (Pro) wrestling?

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

WooHoo! We have a title in Rifle! Suck on that you southern hillbillies!

And Field Hockey! Don't forget the Field Hockey! Must've been runner ups in curling.

Jealousy of other schools national championship total is such an ugly color, fellas.

Oh, and we were robbed of another field hockey title in OT against Maryland in the Final Four of 2008. Should be a statewide day of mourning.

 

[BelemNole]

And I'm not on a Florida board bragging about them. So, there's that ...

I didn't start the comparison thread so scram(21)

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

After successful lobbying for inclusion of a few categories by @noleclone2, the W-L-D record currently stands at 14 Iowa, 8 FSU, 7 Draws.

When we and Stanford fans came up with this list it was a draw. I’m open to entertaining any other categories from either side. They dropped a lot more academic categories than they thought, but won a lot more in athletics than they thought (they crushed us in national titles, for example). They had more trouble conceding academic accomplishments, and less trouble in conceding to sports figures like Gable.