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***Definitive Tale of the Tape Thread: FSU vs Iowa***

But Reynolds>>>>>>>> Gene Wilder.

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I love me some Burt but to compare his resume to Gene Wilder’s? Sorry, Burt comes up woefully short.
 
Dude I don’t give a flying shit about wrestling. But I can acknowledge that Gable was far more dominant in his major college sport than Bowden was in his. I’m not saying Bowden is a bad coach, but Gable was on a different level.

“From 1976 to 1997, Gable was the head wrestling coach at the University of Iowa. Gable's teams compiled a dual meet record of 355–21–5. He coached 152 all-Americans, 45 national champions, 106 Big Ten Champions and 12 Olympians, including eight medalists. His teams won 21 Big Ten Conferencechampionships, and 17 NCAA Division I titles.[5]

In addition to coaching folkstyle wrestling at the University of Iowa, Gable coached freestyle wrestling. Gable was the head coach of three Olympic teams and six world teams.”
Your argument falls apart as soon as you call wrestling a major college sport.
 
It is harder to win one wrestling national championship, but it is easier to win multiple once you do. Nine straight national titles in the 1980s, 17 overall, is hard to beat.

Yep, and let’s not forget there was ZERO parity in college wrestling at the time. 5 teams won the title over a 40 year time frame and 12 in the nearly 100 years of NCAA wrestling.
 
I'm not going to go in depth for Urban Myer(he can suck it), but we all remember what happened to the rivalry when he was hired.

When Bowden was in his 80s?! Please. Meyer completely flamed out and only won anything because Bowden was a million years old.

Meyer was a flash in the pan at Florida.
 
When Bowden was in his 80s?! Please. Meyer completely flamed out and only won anything because Bowden was a million years old.

Meyer was a flash in the pan at Florida.

I don't know man, as sh!tty of a human as Urban seems to be, his seasons coached to championships ratio is pretty damn good.

Bobby Bowden is one of the greats, nobody here is disputing that. He's just not as accomplished as Gable.
 
Rings for conference championships are cute.

If Gable got rings for those he could put one on every finger and toe, then need to grow another toe to fit the last ring for perhaps his best team ever.

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Not all of those banners are Gable’s, but most of them are. He was an assistant coach for a few too.

And coached the guys that have won most of the others.
 
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Tom Brokaw was at Iowa long enough to have a cup of coffee and is not an alumnus.

Jenn Sterger over Ashton Kutcher? Bitch please!

Kroto who? Vonnegut all day long.

Van Allen destroys Earle (who is she?)

Morrison/Coolidge > Estes/Jarreau

Griner>Waitt (piecing together PCs for profit isn’t very remarkable, sorry)
Brokaw should not be in running when your school has George Gallup as a journalism alum. The dude INVENTED modern polling. Also, current Washington Post political reporter Seung Min Kim who has broken some gigantic stories the past two years is a fairly recent Daily Iowan alum.
 
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I'm not trying to denigrate Dan Gable or Iowa wrestling but
NCAA football >>>>>>>NCAA Wrestling
But Gable has amazing Olympics success as both a wrestler and coach as well. That is a global sport and Gable is a world icon. NCAA football is only popular in America, and only a religion in the South.

On any list of most famous athletes/coaches on earth, Gable will always surpass Bowden AINEC.
 
You have no clue, dude.

When Bobby Bowden came to town, Florida State was absolutely awful. FSU was 3-8 the year before he got there, and 1-10 the year before that, and 0-11 the year before that!

Bobby Bowden turned FSU into a national power, and is arguably, the most-winningest football coach in NCAA history.

Just stop.

CSB. And touching.

Still ain't touching what Gable did at Iowa.
 
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When Bowden was in his 80s?! Please. Meyer completely flamed out and only won anything because Bowden was a million years old.

Meyer was a flash in the pan at Florida.
Meyer's fifth consecutive win over Bowden occurred less than 3 weeks after Bowden turned 80. Bowden was 17-18-1 lifetime against Florida. No wonder you guys hate them so much.
 

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ADV FSU

1) I'd put Finkbine up against 95-99% of courses. There's a reason the NCAA Regionals and US Amateur Open keep coming there.

2) We somehow didn't deem British and Masters champion, massive Hawkeye fan, Zach Johnson as worthy of a golf scholarship. He went to Drake, but still loves the Hawks. You won that one.

3) Okay, that Jim Morrison film is fantastic. Touche.

4) I think our lack of psychos means we win that one, though watch out for an up-and-coming psycho by the name of Matt Whitaker.

Brokaw should not be in running when your school has George Gallup as a journalism alum. The dude INVENTED modern polling. Also, current Washington Post political reporter Seung Min Kim who has broken some gigantic stories the past two years is a fairly recent Daily Iowan alum.

Sunovabish, you are right. And I call people out on this Gallup fact all the time. I did NOT know Kim was at The Daily Iowan. Wow!
 
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1) I'd put Finkbine up against 95-99% of courses. There's a reason the NCAA Championships and US Amateur Open keep coming there.

2) We somehow didn't deem British and Masters champion, massive Hawkeye fan, Zach Johnson as worthy of a golf scholarship. He went to Drake, but still loves the Hawks. You won that one.

3) Okay, that Jim Morrison film is fantastic. Touche.

4) I think our lack of psychos means we win that one, though watch out for an up-and-coming psycho by the name of Matt Whitaker.



Sunovabish, you are right. And I call people out on this Gallup fact all the time. I did NOT know Kim was at The Daily Iowan. Wow!
And last but not least, the advertising executive who came up with Hamm’s 1960s slogan and song “From the land of sky blue waters....(waaaaters)” is also a Daily Iowan alum. He gave a speech at the DI 150th reunion and it was fantastic. He ALSO came up with “Where there’s a helpful smile in every aisle” for HyVee. Dude is a marketing genius.
 
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You have no clue, dude.

When Bobby Bowden came to town, Florida State was absolutely awful. FSU was 3-8 the year before he got there, and 1-10 the year before that, and 0-11 the year before that!

Bobby Bowden turned FSU into a national power, and is arguably, the most-winningest football coach in NCAA history.

Just stop.
Did he win 10 straight national championships? The only coach who has a better record than Gable was the track coach at Arkansas.
 
I remember reading an anecdote about a guy from Iowa that got a cab ride in Egypt to go see the pyramids and the driver refused to take fare money from him because he was wearing a Hawkeye wrestling shirt and the cabby was a Gable fan. IIRC, the tourist ended up giving the cabby his shirt lol.
That tourist’s name? Steven Patrick.

And now you know...the rest...of the story.
 
Did he win 10 straight national championships? The only coach who has a better record than Gable was the track coach at Arkansas.

Gable won 9 in a row. In the season that would have been the tenth the Hawks wore a Roman numeral 10 on the leg of their singlet. They ended up getting beat by ISU under Jim Gibbons with Bill Kelly and Tim Kreiger pulled upsets in the finals to seal the deal for the clowns.

CSB

When Kreiger was giving his induction speach into the Iowa Wrestling Hall of Fame in Cresco Iowa I was standing right next to Gable. Kreiger made a special point to needle Gable about the X on the winglets and how taking that away from Iowa was the crowning achievement of his career. My dad turned to Gable and said, "boy he's still twisting that knife isn't he?". Gable leaned over as serious as can be and said, "he was always a punk". I think if we had moved the tables Gable would have gone takedowns with him right there.
 
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Gable won 9 in a row. In the season that would have been the tenth the Hawks wore a Roman numeral 10 on the leg of their singlet. They ended up getting beat by ISU under Jim Gibbons with Bill Kelly and Tim Kreiger pulled upsets in the finals to seal the deal for the clowns.

CSB

When Kreiger was giving his induction speach into the Iowa Wrestling Hall of Fame in Cresco Iowa I was standing right next to Gable. Keifer made a special point to needle Gable about the X on the winglets and how taking that away from Iowa was the crowning achievement of his career. My dad turned to Gable and said, "boy he's still twisting that knife isn't he?". Gable leaned over as serious as can be and said, "he was always a punk". I think if we had moved the tables Gable would have gone takedowns with him right there.
I might be misremembering this since it’s been over 30 years, but didn’t one of the networks interrupt programming to broadcast the match that clinched the title for ISU? It was considered so newsworthy that somebody other than Iowa won the championship that they pre-empted their regular programming.
 
I might be misremembering this since it’s been over 30 years, but didn’t one of the networks interrupt programming to broadcast the match that clinched the title for ISU? It was considered so newsworthy that somebody other than Iowa won the championship that they pre-empted their regular programming.

Probably, it was the upset of the decade. I'm too young to remember watching it. Everything I know about it comes from talking to the guys that were there and listening to Busch light-soaked stories at Nationals and high school state.
 
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Tom Brokaw was at Iowa long enough to have a cup of coffee and is not an alumnus.

Brokaw should not be in running when your school has George Gallup as a journalism alum. The dude INVENTED modern polling. Also, current Washington Post political reporter Seung Min Kim who has broken some gigantic stories the past two years is a fairly recent Daily Iowan alum.

A couple notes on the Brokaw thing. I was clear not to say "best", but simply "most famous". But yes, Gallup is also a household name, though few know why they have that name.

Also, for being here a year, Brokaw certainly treats it like his home. And don't forget, Brokaw was more responsible for the wall coming down than Reagan...

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Gable won 9 in a row. In the season that would have been the tenth the Hawks wore a Roman numeral 10 on the leg of their singlet. They ended up getting beat by ISU under Jim Gibbons with Bill Kelly and Tim Kreiger pulled upsets in the finals to seal the deal for the clowns.

CSB

When Kreiger was giving his induction speach into the Iowa Wrestling Hall of Fame in Cresco Iowa I was standing right next to Gable. Kreiger made a special point to needle Gable about the X on the winglets and how taking that away from Iowa was the crowning achievement of his career. My dad turned to Gable and said, "boy he's still twisting that knife isn't he?". Gable leaned over as serious as can be and said, "he was always a punk". I think if we had moved the tables Gable would have gone takedowns with him right there.
Thanks...I saw someone else say 9 as I was reading the thread and was too lazy to change it. :)
 
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Yep, and let’s not forget there was ZERO parity in college wrestling at the time. 5 teams won the title over a 40 year time frame and 12 in the nearly 100 years of NCAA wrestling.

Only 5 teams..........that's crazy. How many schools even have wrestling teams? Is there a scholarship limit?
 
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If we are going to compare Gable to Bowden, you have to point out the lack of competition for winning a title in wrestling compared to that in football.

1972 Iowa State(5)
1973 Iowa State(6)
1974 Oklahoma(7)
1975 Iowa(1)
1976 Iowa(2)
1977 Iowa State(7)
1978 Iowa(3)
1979 Iowa (4)
1980 Iowa (5)
1981 Iowa(6)
1982 Iowa (7)
1983 Iowa(8)
1984 Iowa(9)
1985 Iowa(10)
1986 Iowa(11)
1987 Iowa State(8)
1988 Arizona State
1989 Oklahoma State(28)
1990 Oklahoma State(29)
1991 Iowa (12)
1992 Iowa(13)
1993 Iowa(14)
1994 Oklahoma State(30)
1995 Iowa(15)
1996 Iowa(16)
1997 Iowa(17)
1998 Iowa(18)
1999 Iowa(19)
2000 Iowa(20)
2001 Minnesota(1)
2002 Minnesota(2)
2003 Oklahoma State(31)
2004 Oklahoma State(32)
2005 Oklahoma State(33)
2006 Oklahoma State(34)
2007 Minnesota(3)
2008 Iowa(21)
2009 Iowa(22)
2010 Iowa(23)
2011 Penn State(2)
2012 Penn State(3)
2013 Penn State(4)
2014 Penn State(5)
2015 Ohio State
2016 Penn State(6)
2017 Penn State(7)
2018 Penn State(8)

So in my lifetime (starting 1972), D1 Wrestling has had only 7 different schools (in 5 states) win the title. Crazier, four schools (Iowa, Oklahoma State, Iowa State and Penn State) have won 41 of the 47 championships since 1972!!!??!! And how many of these titles were won in these programs home gyms or home states?

You look back further and you can see originally college wrestling titles were a two state affair between teams in Oklahoma and Iowa.

That is laughable compared to Football.

Now I would be proud as hell if FSU was as dominant in a niche sport as Iowa is in wrestling. Heck they have and won 23 titles since 1975!!! Would love for our sand volleyball team to have this type of success.

But no way you can convince me what Gable did as coach at Iowa is comparable to what Bowden did at FSU (making a meh unheralded State school in rural Florida a College Football Dynasty 1987-2001).

Bowden
ADV FSU

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Only 5 teams..........that's crazy. How many schools even have wrestling teams? Is there a scholarship limit?

It doesn’t help when one team, Iowa in this case, won half of those titles. And yes there’s a scholarship limit. 9.9 per team, which is actually less than the starting lineup of 10 wrestlers.
 
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