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Democracy will die if the electoral college isn t abandoned

The Electoral College should remain as long as Republicans aren't allowed to continue to gerrymander districts. How this blatant cheating to steal votes has been allowed under our noses is reprehensible.

Is it okay in your view when Democrats gerrymander districts?

Or let’s say, have an open border policy to increase their populations to have more seats in the House of Representatives?

Surely you don’t hold a double standard with your disgust here.
 
Why does democracy work on the state level each vote is equal. But what we have now at the presidential level is not even close to equal. In a high populated state your vote is diluted.
 
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With dems winning popular vote every yr. This isn t sustainable for Republicans. The rich are trying to squeeze a couple more cycles before the dam breaks. We are basically a dictatorship now with minority rule and Supreme courts being crazy right leaning. There are what 6 states that decide the election now. Let's make it equal for all. One vote counts the same in all states. VOTE THE HATERS OUT.
But if we end the electoral college, how can all the trees in South Dakota, Montana, and Wyoming have a say in who’s president?
 
Why does democracy work on the state level each vote is equal. But what we have now at the presidential level is not even close to equal. In a high populated state your vote is diluted.
So if people continue hauling ass outta Cali they might one day be as irrelevant as Iowa?
 
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The Electoral College should remain as long as Republicans aren't allowed to continue to gerrymander districts. How this blatant cheating to steal votes has been allowed under our noses is reprehensible.
Are you saying Democrats don't gerrymander?
 
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Oh good God. Yes the couple attempts THAT EVEN BOARD LIBS DISAGREED WITH, is exactly the same as everything that has taken place since Trump lost the election. By Trump, his minions, and cult members. So very much the same thing. 🙄Wtf happened to you??
 
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We are 50 states that vote for a president, 50 states that have a say. We are not 330 million people who vote for a president (or anything else for that matter)
We have a system that was a compromise for slavery. Whoever wins the most votes wins. This isn't a participation trophy. FFS Wyoming already has two senators and it's smaller than Des Moines Iowa.
 
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We still need something that doesn't allow the metropolitan areas to control everything. So, JMO, instead of for every voting district getting an electoral vote, we just go to 2 points per state.
The metropolitan areas are the lifeblood of our economy. They should control everything. That said going with the popular vote doesn't give those cities full power. Each state gets two senators which is more than enough to even things out. Rural areas should control the majority of the population. That's crazy.
 
No. The majority trample the Rights of the minority when they attain absolute power. The system is designed to prevent this from happening.

Take the trans fad for example. Rationality and critical thinking are dead to these people. They would gladly imprison wrong thinkers if given half a chance. They’re insane.
No, it isn't. I was a compromise after the Civil War based entirely on slavery. Trample on rights. WTF but it's ok to trample the rights of the majority who have uneducated drivel from the far rural right being forced on them. There's a reason red states are poor.
 
Most Americans fail to appreciate that the United States wouldn't exist today without the protections that the electoral college brings to the table...
Can you provide specific examples? I am curious to see your response.
 
Two ways of assessing the OP’s intent:
1. They know this but this board is full of bots/trolls who put this 💩 out there anyway and no one pushes back on the steaming pile they post.

2. OP truly is an idiot who slept through high school civics and has lots of company on here who did so as well. You know, the greasy haired kids who sat in the back of the class and always wore the dirty plaid shirts that smelled like ciggies? Or weed?
Or he is someone who thinks things through based on all the information not something taught in a civics class that was clearly biased in it's teaching. The EC is rooted in racism. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-w...ANTHEON_STRIPPED&utm_source=PANTHEON_STRIPPED
 
How us the number of electors for each state determined? I mean do the yokels in the rural areas have the same number if electors from their state as the enlightend from civil society in California or New York?

Weird....it's almost as if more heavily populated states have more electors.
Who gives a shit. The system is flawed when a state with 600k people has two senators and their vote counts more than mine because I live in a populated state. No amount of BS can argue that that is fair.
 
Explain how he’s wrong.
If you as a teacher don't understand the reason our presidential election is structured in that manner, and you can't see the dangers of a "pure democracy" then I don't know what to say. How do you think minorities would be affected if the majority vote always won? How do you think less populous states would be treated?
 
Is it okay in your view when Democrats gerrymander districts?

Or let’s say, have an open border policy to increase their populations to have more seats in the House of Representatives?

Surely you don’t hold a double standard with your disgust here.
Then TX shouldn't be sending them to Chicago and Martha's Vineyard and NYC....???
 
How us the number of electors for each state determined?

The Constitution requires each state to have electors equal to its congressional representation. This means each state gets votes equal to the number of its congressional delegates and senators. The number of electors a state receives depends on it's population. California, for example, has 55 electoral votes, while Alaska only has three. The total of 538 electoral votes comprises 435 Representatives, 100 Senators, and three electors from the District of Columbia, as outlined by the 23rd amendment. Ultimately, the presidential candidate needs at least 270 electoral votes to become the president-elect.

Since representation is determined by population, and population, per the constitution, is made up of both citizens and non-citizens, it quickly becomes apparent that illegal immigration has the potential to affect the quantity and location of electoral ballots.
 
Who gives a shit. The system is flawed when a state with 600k people has two senators and their vote counts more than mine because I live in a populated state. No amount of BS can argue that that is fair.

Two branches of governance in Congress. Senate vs House. How many Reps in the House do you have versus that 600k state?

Congress was designed so the majority doesn’t run roughshod over the minority.

Individual aka minority rights are the foundation of this country.

Besides 2 to 2 is equivalent, not more than.
 
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This country’s Civics understanding is going down the shitter. Dems wildly misinform their constituents in grasp for more / ultimate power. Shameful.

Shouldn't have to explain how Congress works to adults.
 
The Constitution requires each state to have electors equal to its congressional representation. This means each state gets votes equal to the number of its congressional delegates and senators. The number of electors a state receives depends on it's population. California, for example, has 55 electoral votes, while Alaska only has three. The total of 538 electoral votes comprises 435 Representatives, 100 Senators, and three electors from the District of Columbia, as outlined by the 23rd amendment. Ultimately, the presidential candidate needs at least 270 electoral votes to become the president-elect.

Since representation is determined by population, and population, per the constitution, is made up of both citizens and non-citizens, it quickly becomes apparent that illegal immigration has the potential to affect the quantity and location of electoral ballots.
However, because the total number of representatives is capped at 435, states with larger populations are disproportionately represented in the house. California should have 17 more representatives if there wasn't a cap.
 
Why do you people keep trotting out this idiotic canard?

Democracy: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

Please explain how this isn't the case here?

Republic: a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law.
We are more like an oligarchy than either of these
 
With dems winning popular vote every yr. This isn t sustainable for Republicans. The rich are trying to squeeze a couple more cycles before the dam breaks. We are basically a dictatorship now with minority rule and Supreme courts being crazy right leaning. There are what 6 states that decide the election now. Let's make it equal for all. One vote counts the same in all states. VOTE THE HATERS OUT.
The Electoral College is in the Constitution. It can be changed but would take 2/3 of each House and I think 3/4 of the States.

It was done so Virginia did not get all the power. It was part of a compromise if I remember correctly.
 
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The Constitution requires each state to have electors equal to its congressional representation. This means each state gets votes equal to the number of its congressional delegates and senators. The number of electors a state receives depends on it's population. California, for example, has 55 electoral votes, while Alaska only has three. The total of 538 electoral votes comprises 435 Representatives, 100 Senators, and three electors from the District of Columbia, as outlined by the 23rd amendment. Ultimately, the presidential candidate needs at least 270 electoral votes to become the president-elect.

Since representation is determined by population, and population, per the constitution, is made up of both citizens and non-citizens, it quickly becomes apparent that illegal immigration has the potential to affect the quantity and location of electoral ballots.
Which is why they want illegals to come pouring in. You get to count them towards the census which in turns manipulates house seats and electoral votes. People that think that illegals aren't affecting our elections don't know what they are talking about.
 
However, because the total number of representatives is capped at 435, states with larger populations are disproportionately represented in the house. California should have 17 more representatives if there wasn't a cap.

And unfettered illegal immigration is one of the primary reasons why this cap hasn't been adjusted in quite some time...
 
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Who gives a shit. The system is flawed when a state with 600k people has two senators and their vote counts more than mine because I live in a populated state. No amount of BS can argue that that is fair.

The Senate has different responsibilities than the House, although would be fairer if each state was represented by 1 Senator?

We sure as hell don't want equivalent House and Senate representation.
 
And unfettered illegal immigration is one of the primary reasons why this cap hasn't been adjusted in quite some time...
The cap hasn't been adjusted for over 100 years. Your supposition is incorrect.
 
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