Trump also wants to end the income tax and replace it with a sales tax. Grocery prices will go through the roof is that ever gets enacted.
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Honest question. Are you willing to give Trump a chance? Inflation and the border have been a hot mess for four years. I’m not saying Trump is fantastic, I’m not the biggest fan either. But the last four years we’re not working. While I do agree with his policies, I think it will better serve American families.
Do you really believe that? Inflation was around 2% his entire time. The whole world suffered from the pandemic in his last year, not just America. Vaccines were already in arms before Biden took over. Biden spent like a drunken sailor causing the highest inflation in 40 years. CPI and Core CPI were the highest in your lifetime. Unemployment has been ticking up for 7 months, only 12k jobs added last month and credit card debt has reached records highs under Biden.
I do believe Biden tried his best and really did care, he had more redeeming qualities than Trump, but the economy was not one of them.
Wait. I thought you said you are always right. You wanted him to stay in the race even up to the point he dropped out. Now you're saying he made a bad decision. Doesn't sound like you were right at all.
Also, I really love when you guys keep blaming Trump for inflation after you spent 4 years screaming that it was better here than anywhere else in the world. Which is it? You can't have it both ways unless you are a partisan hack hypocrite. Oh wait, nevermind.
In the last 8 years the Trump posts have almost all been started by left leaning posters.
Karma was Tuesday. Not going forward.
My complaint on this topic is that inflation in the range of 9% should have never happened,.. Multiple economists warned Biden that he was playing with fire, and we got burned,... It will take 8-10 years of slow wage growth to eventually reclaim what the average US consumer has lost...
36 posts in and only one democrat had a respectable/reasonable post. All the others still think they are better than half of America and say they are better because of the way republicans post or share information.
When it was that bad starting in 2021 and Trump spent zero time addressing anything his last few months while he organized an insurrection to overthrow the results it was a DISASTER and of course anyone with basic economic knowledge knows this and how long it takes for recovery throw in these Wars going on massive issues to deal with good thing we have the lover of Putin and Autocrats here to deal with it now. I was all in on supporting a good President for the people with a vast superior administration to the clown show about to desecrate the WH again of course. But I can reevaluate what went wrong as well. But here you come with half ass takes and out of context items once again as not capable of meaningful discussion.
But it did happen. Prices are now baked in. And if we're being honest Trump helped bake inflation in just as much as Biden with his free wheeling spending and his pandemic money. Both presidents helped to drive inflation.
But now inflation is now around two percent, where it should be. So if that's the goal, Trump has nothing to fix. It's already been fixed.
And who created the inflation? Who created the problem the last four years that Trump needs to fix? 40 year high inflation and record level credit card debt. It’s almost like you don’t want him to succeed. He is the pilot of our plane and you hope it crashes.
Trump is way more the whys of inflation than Biden this isn't even debatable.
The problem was an inherited giant crater and failure which resulted in the immediate inflation from a horrific pandemic response. My goodness.
9 actually since that unfit horrific man became the unchecked leader of the GOP.
No Huey,.. The job is to reclaim the accumulated 20% increase in the cost of goods now being experienced by the average consumer,.. When your house is burning to the ground, things aren't great after the fire department leaves...
I have no choice, but to give Trump a chance. Bringing down prices and improving the border would be great. I worry about too much deregulation that can lead to lower prices, but also be less safe for consumers and the environment. I'm concerned that the methods for fixing the border might involve separating families, turning away people that truly need asylum, deporting immigrants here legally, and causing a shortage of workers in some areas.
I'm also concerned for the people of Ukraine and our allies. I hope Trump doesn't hang them out to dry. We tried isolationism in the past, it didn't work and that was before we all became even more globally connected due to technology.
This 100%. No matter how Trump does I expect a good midterm for the Dems. Guys like Chis will then proclaim, as he's done before, the cons will never win another election.
Then in 2 years after that when the cons do good guys like Chis will stroke out again. The circle of life and shit.
Trump signed $3 trillion in new pandemic spending. He undoubtedly helped create inflation.
The supply chains literally broken was even more of the whys but it's 15 cases to 0 and over by Easter and just a hoax anyways!
There was definitely that, too. Trump seemed to be behind everything pandemic related. There doesn't seem to be any indication he even knew inflation was coming.
But it’s better because the house isn’t burning anymore. You’re still left with nothing but it’s not on fire.
(Thats sarcasm btw, unfortunately that’s something a democrat would probably say).
Remeber when that moron @IAFB2021Champs had that avatar about how we're all going to hell and he's not because he's a good little bootlicker and that's why it's okay that he can't keep up verbally with all those meanies with college degrees on the Hawkeye boards? That dope wants to know why you think you're better than him and don't like him
Like I said,.. Slow controlled wage growth over a period of 8-10 years, at least,.. faster than that and you'll reignite inflation.
Look, people are inherently passionate about their beliefs (if you don't believe me, tell someone their baby is ugly). That's normal, and the 'dumb' response is a pretty normal default response for all of us when we don't come out on the winning side of an argument. So I don't get too worked up by that, particularly in the days immediately after an election in which the winning candidate is pretty undeniably flawed.
I suppose there are some people who I think "ought" to be better -- take a look at the piece in today's WSJ sampling reactions from 'respected' columnists, which not only blame the stupid and lazily invoke the usual tropes, but in one case suggest that the real solution here is for the left to come up with a leftist strongman. (Watch out gavin newsome, Lenny Krasner said '**** around and find out' the other day in a presser. He sounds like he might be a real philly tough guy!) I wonder if there's any sense of irony among them that they are "journalists" yet live in a jurisdiction/echo chamber where (quite literally) 94% of the population voted for the same candidate.
Beyond that, I'd certainly "hope" that every elected president, given their election, gets at least 'some' chance to govern, even if it's a very short one, before the 'loyal opposition' converts into 'the resistance'. Even Trump, who i don't really think got much of a chance his first time around.
But where i really draw the line is the inability of some people to eventually take a deep breath and stop with the whole "othering" exercise when it comes to social relationships and human interaction. For example, after yesterday's harris event, some 80 year old lady was quoted as how she felt like she needed to really reassess her 'circle' to make sure that her acquaintances didn't do the 'wrong' thing. Vance referenced the phenomenon the other day in his response to my niece's question, and I've certainly seen it with people i know personally. Honestly, if you're really and truly in that camp (which thankfully most probably aren't), good riddance. You're probably in the wrong place. Perhaps less dramatically, here in my new home (which went a little north of 60% Harris), i have been shocked by the fact that on not one, but several, occasions, people I'm having a perfectly amicable chat with on some mundane topic will eventually say or ask something like "I hope you won't be offended if I told you I was a trump supporter." No, I wouldn't, any more than if you told me you were a harris supporter, because these are precisely the kinds of conversations we need to have with each other. But there are those who would, and more importantly, who would have no further normal human interactions with that person. Candidly, in my admittedly limited experience, those people seem to be more common on the left side of the spectrum.
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Remember those stats about liberal women and mental health issues? Yeah..
And you are still left with a shell or what you once had. And reality is that it is going to cost you even more to get back to where you once were. Very similar to what has happened for a lot of people the last 4 years. I get not everyone’s “house burned down” but it happened for a lot of people. Instead of being fortunate that your “house” didn’t burn down. You degrade those who weren’t as fortunate.
I wish someone would have been able to record my reaction if my parents ever told me what presidential candidate won.
I’m sure i would have asked if i could go play with the neighbor kid.
Poor kids are being groomed and don’t stand a chance at making their own opinions and choices.
Not quite, .. But get there, and keep it up, and after multiple years the average consumer will eventually be back to where they were in 2020... Won't totally get repaired during Trumps available 4 years though.
You see my point, though, right? We're already on this pathway. So why do we need Trump to fix it?
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