Despicable high school play in TX

[KennyPowers_96]

Bad call is what lead to the ambush. I now know more. While I certainly didn't condone or find their actions in anyway justifiable, I wanted to know more than that video show.

So far I've only heard they were ejected. More than that better occur.

I certainly hope their coach had no knowledge or was in anyway duplicitous in their actions.

Good to see you finally cracked this wide open and obtained the evidence you needed to prove to yourself these guys are (potentially criminal) assholes, with no business playing on the field.

Now you are basically indicting the coach on what appears to be a wild assumption on your part. Well done, Matlock.

 

[mstp1992]

Maybe he deserved it. Need more context.

NO OFFICIAL deserves that.

Of course, you still think the confederate flag has no offensive connotations, so we have to take that into consideration.

 

[HawkFantastic]

Good to see you finally cracked this wide open and obtained the evidence you needed to prove to yourself these guys are (potentially criminal) assholes, with no business playing on the field.

Now you are basically indicting the coach on what appears to be a wild assumption on your part. Well done, Matlock.

I wrote- "I certainly hope their coach had no knowledge or was in anyway duplicitous in their actions."

That reads as an indictment? I will say this Kenny, your Power is not comprehension of the written language. I'm sure you have other Powers, like jumping to conclusions.

As for their actions- I was thinking it could be something like Jesus came to them in their sleep and told them to ambush referees. Either that, or the players were abducted by aliens and they were replaced by aliens.

 

[Catfish_ Crazy]

People get more out of that short video than I. While on the surface it doesn't look good, I've learned things are rarely as they seem.

What happened previously in the game? Is there a back story leading up to the game?

I have more questions that a few second video doesn't answer. Until I know more I can't pass judgement beyond a simple "it doesn't look good".

WTF

 

[BioHawk]

Didn't we cheer for this in Remember the Titans?

I must have missed the scene where two players targeted an official and blindsided him and then speared him with his helmet.

 

[theIowaHawk]

I must have missed the scene where two players targeted an official and blindsided him and then speared him with his helmet.

It's possible I'm misremembering the movie, or confusing it with another. (Blues?)

But when the refs aren't "calling the game fair", don't they specifically target him to cause pain until he agrees to be fair?

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

NO OFFICIAL deserves that.
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Mmm, no, people in general don't deserve to be assaulted but I had a basketball ref once tell me one of my players was "asking for it" when he got thrown to the floor and no foul was called. For context, he was the smallest player on the floor and while playing in your face defense, was not hacking or being overly physical by any means (again this was the smallest player on the floor).

Sometimes, officials are just genuine a**holes...........That doesn't mean they should be targeted for attack though. However, as I mentioned on the football board, I'm surprised we don't hear about this kind of thing more, fortunately of course. This was a case of kids getting upset at perceived slights and taking out their frustrations on the ref physically rather than verbally.

And not that I condone this kind of behavior but how many of you that have complained about an official's call has ever just wanted to or thought about physically confronting the official that made the bad call?

I'm sure after the 2006 Outback Bowl more than a few Hawkeye fans would've loved to be in a padded room alone with the refs for even a few moments to give them a piece of their mind. These kids simply and unfortunately acted on those impulses.

 

[Hawk and Awe]

Not disputing it's intentional, but doesn't change my view. While I don't condone what they did, or begin to advocate for them, what transpired previously in the game that lead to their actions?

I have a difficult time believing they arbitrarily decided to do what they did without real or imagined provocation.

This is an interesting take. When a terrorist attack or school shooting takes place do you ask the same questions? I'm not mocking you - I'm genuinely interested because I really have no interest in figuring out why it happened.

 

[Hawk and Awe]

It's possible I'm misremembering the movie, or confusing it with another. (Blues?)

But when the refs aren't "calling the game fair", don't they specifically target him to cause pain until he agrees to be fair?

Pretty sure you're misremembering. I was thinking the same thing, but after googling it believe the D-coordinator just threatened to go to the newspaper if they didnt call the game fair. It ended up costing him the hall of fame

What you may be thinking (and what I confused) was The Longest Yard. Adam Sandler hits the ref in the nuts a few times. That seems a lot more reasonable than the assault these guys committed

 

[mstp1992]

Pretty sure you're misremembering. I was thinking the same thing, but after googling it believe the D-coordinator just threatened to go to the newspaper if they didnt call the game fair. It ended up costing him the hall of fame

What you may be thinking (and what I confused) was The Longest Yard. Adam Sandler hits the ref in the nuts a few times. That seems a lot more reasonable than the assault these guys committed

Well, that was a movie and not real life. Kids who behave like that get a lot of that behavior from their parents.

 

[BioHawk]

It's possible I'm misremembering the movie, or confusing it with another. (Blues?)

But when the refs aren't "calling the game fair", don't they specifically target him to cause pain until he agrees to be fair?

No, Coach Yoast goes out and tells the ref to call the game fair or he would expose what they were doing to all the media. Then he gave one of the best movie pep speeches ever. That all cost him his Hall of Fame vote.

I don't remember a movie where the referee is specifically targeted.

 

[BioHawk]

What you may be thinking (and what I confused) was The Longest Yard. Adam Sandler hits the ref in the nuts a few times. That seems a lot more reasonable than the assault these guys committed

This would be why I don't remember it happening. I did see that movie, but I can't say much of it was worth remembering.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Pretty sure you're misremembering. I was thinking the same thing, but after googling it believe the D-coordinator just threatened to go to the newspaper if they didnt call the game fair. It ended up costing him the hall of fame

What you may be thinking (and what I confused) was The Longest Yard. Adam Sandler hits the ref in the nuts a few times. That seems a lot more reasonable than the assault these guys committed

Or the original one with Burt Reynolds, which was better.

One thing I wanted to mention is that it seems like the ref is starting to get up at the end of the video I watched. Has anybody heard how the ref is doing?

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Pretty sure you're misremembering. I was thinking the same thing, but after googling it believe the D-coordinator just threatened to go to the newspaper if they didnt call the game fair. It ended up costing him the hall of fame

What you may be thinking (and what I confused) was The Longest Yard. Adam Sandler hits the ref in the nuts a few times. That seems a lot more reasonable than the assault these guys committed

If the Sandler version was like the Burt Reynolds version, it wasn't the ref who was targeted. He nailed a linebacker who was crushing him on every play.

 

[torbee]

What could possibly make that ok? I'm just curious...in what scenario would you be able to condone this? Those two OBVIOUSLY thought it was a "good course of action". So what?

Regardless of the provocation, those two players should be done for the rest of the year and should be facing charges.

What if it was a parochial school league and the ref was a molesting priest who had assaulted both players' little brothers during catechism class the prior year and they knew about it but the bishop moved him to another parish to try and cover it up so they decided to go out for football for the sole reason to finally exact their revenge and they never really wanted to play again anyway once they'd achieved rough justice?

Now I'm not saying that's LIKELY - but it is just a 10 second video.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

What if it was a parochial school league and the ref was a molesting priest who had assaulted both players' little brothers during catechism class the prior year and they knew about it but the bishop moved him to another parish to try and cover it up so they decided to go out for football for the sole reason to finally exact their revenge and they never really wanted to play again anyway once they'd achieved rough justice?

Now I'm not saying that's LIKELY - but it is just a 10 second video.

Ok...ok...I give. LOL

 

[orod741]

This would be why I don't remember it happening. I did see that movie, but I can't say much of it was worth remembering.

Wasn't the whole point to remember the Titans? I mean, it's the name of the movie...

Both kids probably shouldn't be playing for a while and may have screwed up their futures due to this bone-headed decision. I hope they can learn something from this and move on and also hope the best for the ref as well.

 

[Hawk in SEC Country]

I could throw all sorts of hypotheticals out there a person/referee could say or do away from the game, before the game or during the game that would lead somebody/players to take matters into their own hands and retaliate.

I'm not saying they're right or justified in what they did. People/kids can act emotionally and carelessly.

10 seconds or how ever long that clip lasted is too short of a window to indicate "there's nothing this ref could have done ......" To do so is overreacting.

If one was my kid I would be very upset and both. I would also like to be pragmatic and ask "what lead to your goonish behavior?"

Or maybe I wouldn't need to because kids all too often get the sense of justice and acceptable behavior at home.

You just tripled down in stupid.

Holy hell dude. What exactly needs to be spelled out? It matters not what happened before. At no time should an athlete ever target an official for any reason.

 

[YellowSnow51]

There is some high quality trolling in this thread. They should at the very least be disqualified from high school sports for life and if not, the refs should strike until it happens.

 

[INXS83]

Anyone want to bet the players who did this say that the ref used a racial slur towards them?

It doesn't matter. If the ref did give them a racial slur, report it to the coach and file a complaint with the head of officials or the head of the conference next week. Taking matters into their own hands is just ignorant thuggery.

 

[theIowaHawk]

Pretty sure you're misremembering. I was thinking the same thing, but after googling it believe the D-coordinator just threatened to go to the newspaper if they didnt call the game fair. It ended up costing him the hall of fame

What you may be thinking (and what I confused) was The Longest Yard. Adam Sandler hits the ref in the nuts a few times. That seems a lot more reasonable than the assault these guys committed

Alas you are correct, now I remember it being Sandler, and pretty sure he gave him a wet willie.

Since those guys were all convicts, I completely retract my earlier, incorrect, statement.

 

[theIowaHawk]

There is some high quality trolling in this thread. They should at the very least be disqualified from high school sports for life and if not, the refs should strike until it happens.

Yes. If the league isn't willing to go to extreme lengths to protect non-players...how can we believe they care about player safety?

 

[KitingHigh]

It doesn't matter. If the ref did give them a racial slur, report it to the coach and file a complaint with the head of officials or the head of the conference next week. Taking matters into their own hands is just ignorant thuggery.

Filing a complaint about an official never does any good.

 

[mstp1992]

If the Sandler version was like the Burt Reynolds version, it wasn't the ref who was targeted. He nailed a linebacker who was crushing him on every play.

Wasn't that Ray Nitschke who got nailed?

 

[FranklinHawk]

Filing a complaint about an official never does any good.

^^^^ Iowa State fan obviously

 

[hawkifann]

Mindboggling response. Please give me an example of when this would be ok. Thanks and I'll wait.

It would take the ref punching out a player to get to a point of "justification".....but then the viral video would be of a ref punching out a teenage player, not this, so I feel pretty confident that there wasn't anything more significant that something the players thought were bad calls.

 

[StormHawk42]

I'm a HS official. This will only slow down our already horrible recruitment numbers. Wish I could've seen more of the video to know what the other refs did immediately afterwards. I know if I saw my partner get attacked, I'd be going in for a tackle myself, Bob Sanders style. The kids themselves should face battery charges at the very least and also be suspended for the rest of their careers.

 

[HawkFantastic]

You just tripled down in stupid.

Holy hell dude. What exactly needs to be spelled out? It matters not what happened before. At no time should an athlete ever target an official for any reason.

Perhaps I did, but that doesn't excuse you for NOT understanding what I wrote. Read again the post you quoted, THEN copy and paste where I said they SHOULD. I never did.

I'll make it easy for you-
"I could throw all sorts of hypotheticals out there a person/referee could say or do away from the game, before the game or during the game that would lead somebody/players to take matters into their own hands and retaliate.

I'm not saying they're right or justified in what they did. People/kids can act emotionally and carelessly."

I never said they SHOULD. I said there are hypotheticals where they COULD. Big difference and we're not talking semantics. The second paragraph is key too when reading what I wrote.

 

[Funky Bunch]

Anyone want to bet the players who did this say that the ref used a racial slur towards them?

You win all bets!

http://abc7ny.com/news/texas-school...e-referee-made-racial-slur-before-hit/974446/

 

[beanerhawk]

You win all bets!

http://abc7ny.com/news/texas-school...e-referee-made-racial-slur-before-hit/974446/

wow, just wow. Haha..

 

[Lone Clone]

Saw the subject line, figured somebody did "Waiting for Godot" for the senior class play.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

There is some high quality trolling in this thread. They should at the very least be disqualified from high school sports for life and if not, the refs should strike until it happens.

Why?.......Oh I see what you did.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Wasn't that Ray Nitschke who got nailed?

Yup. Like a hit in the balls would have stopped Nitschke.

 

[BioHawk]

Wasn't the whole point to remember the Titans? I mean, it's the name of the movie...

Both kids probably shouldn't be playing for a while and may have screwed up their futures due to this bone-headed decision. I hope they can learn something from this and move on and also hope the best for the ref as well.

Remember the Titans was a great movie. Probably my favorite football movie. The most recent "The Longest Yard" was terrible.