Did Jamie Pollard run Fred Hoiberg out of town?

[Legend12]

Travis Hines, an ISU homer, wouldn't have done this story, if he didn't feel confident it was true.

I agree with much of what you wrote, but this part I quoted is kind of an odd twist. If he was truly an ISU homer he would not have written the article. I mean, Chris Williams would NEVER write such an article, even if Fred publically denounced Jamie and personally wrote an expose that he emailed to Chris. I wonder if maybe Hines had a good relationship with someone who was on Hoiberg's staff that felt slighted by Fred leaving or how he was dealt with during/after the coaching change.

 

[HerkyFan]

and you know this how? such a loser.

Basketball practice facility and press box at Jack Trice are two examples of how isu went cheap.

 

[DodgerHawki]

Says the ISU fan perched on an Iowa site, LOL. I think there's a mixture of things at play here. Pollard was not the reason Hoiberg left, I think that part of the article was definitely someone's opinion. I think Pollard has a history of being cheap, whiny, and quite frankly a douchebag to anyone outside of the ISU fandome. ISU fans have to even see this. Travis Hines, an ISU homer, wouldn't have done this story, if he didn't feel confident it was true. Pollard could have put this to rest in the article if he didn't refuse to comment. That was very telling. FH was very careful with his comments on the radio, didn't throw JP under the bus, just said he owed JP for getting him in the business. What would FH gain, even if this was 100% true, by throwing JP under the bus on the radio? He would just come acrossed whiny too, throwing the athletic administration of the school he loves, under the bus. That's not who he is. Nothing in this article is really surprising, it's exactly how everyone thinks Pollard operates. He does some weird, look at me stuff, that just seems petty. The latest, when he was in the hospital after surgery, doing a message to all ISU fans, with his gown half open so everyone could see his scar was gross. He looked half dead, the video was unneeded. JP going on twitter is amateur.

This story was in need of a good editor. There's enough details in what is shared that make me believe at least the general outline of the story. But there was more that could have been verified with other sources. Finding out exactly when the team checked out of its hotel and when the plane took off, for example. Comparing that with how other schools handle trips to Hawaii. Getting data on how other schools handle tickets for assistants. Getting more details about the alleged verbal altercation after the 2014 NCAA selection show.

Mostly it sounds like the push-pull between coaches and the AD that goes on at most any institution.

 

[Legend12]

Basketball practice facility and press box at Jack Trice are two examples of how isu went cheap.

Basketball practice facility? How exactly did they go cheap there? I've been in it many times and I can't think of many, if any, amenities it doesn't have.

 

[David1979]

The thing that cracks me up is they act like Pollard and Hoiberg proved the article is false. Which they didn't. Pollard just used spin to make himself look better. He is great at propaganda and a lot of iowa state fans fall for it.

 

[CyCity]

Basketball practice facility and press box at Jack Trice are two examples of how isu went cheap.

ISU's basketball facility is super nice. Press box is a dump though but that's way down the list of stuff I'd want updated

 

[Lone Clone]

Doesn't change the fact that he was asked to provide one, which he did.

Not really. As you know. There's one hell of a difference between chartering a plane for the team and putting together a Hawaiian trip where fans and boosters travel with the team. Which is what I suspect happened with Arizona.

Or maybe not. But I will say as an ISU fan and a donor to the athletics program, if I learned they were chartering airplanes to fly the team to Hawaii, I'd be on the phone to Pollard wanting to know why the hell he was wasting my money.

 

[Lone Clone]

This story was in need of a good editor. There's enough details in what is shared that make me believe at least the general outline of the story. But there was more that could have been verified with other sources. Finding out exactly when the team checked out of its hotel and when the plane took off, for example. Comparing that with how other schools handle trips to Hawaii. Getting data on how other schools handle tickets for assistants. Getting more details about the alleged verbal altercation after the 2014 NCAA selection show.

Mostly it sounds like the push-pull between coaches and the AD that goes on at most any institution.

What it should have been -- if anything -- is a column, an opinion piece. There isn't any "there" there when it comes to a substantive story. There are no allegations that anybody broke any rules, laws, university policies, etc. There's one guy -- anonymous -- speculating that the relationship between Pollard and Hoiberg might possibly have been a factor in Fred's departure, which I don't think anybody believes.

Pollard definitely is tight with a dollar. He brags about it. He's a CPA, a numbers guy. And he's done wonders for the ISU athletics budget. That is bound to irritate people, and his personality is such that it's not hard to imagine someone not getting along with him (although it's difficult to imagine Fred not getting along with anybody).

In terms of the story, itself, some aspects should be easy to check. Pollard flatly denies that the staff had to pay for tickets to home games, for instance. The airplane thing has already been checked, I think -- team had to be out of the hotel by noon, plane took off at 5 (or boarded at 5 and took off at 6; don't remember how that was worded). Fred says he took his twins and some players swimming, which also would be easy to check. Players should remember whether they were sleeping on their suitcases in a hotel lobby or swimming in the surf at Waikiki.

I don't doubt there are people in the AD who dislike Pollard, and I don't doubt his spending decisions are among the reasons. I also don't doubt the same is true in virtually every organization. There's no story there unless the conflict has a discernible effect on performance, IMHO.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

The thing that cracks me up is they act like Pollard and Hoiberg proved the article is false. Which they didn't. Pollard just used spin to make himself look better. He is great at propaganda and a lot of iowa state fans fall for it.

Agreed also funny how LC and CyCity are dead set on proving to us on an Iowa site that what Pollard and Hoiberg said after the fact is true and the writer was wrong and story was untrue. Sorry this is not cyclone fanatic.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Who isn't believing it? Every media source that picked it up updated their articles with Hoiberg's quotes.

Yet that doesn't mean every site that publishes and post this article with Hoiberg's comments in it will mean the readers will take his side over Hines account. Outside of Ames where anything Fred says is gospel, the rest of the state and country will read and form their own opinion. Some on Hoiberg/Pollards and others with Hines.

Though I guess Pollard does need to save some $ for Rhoads buyout at the end of the year so kudos for him for planning ahead and saving some cash.

 

[CyCity]

Agreed also funny how LC and CyCity are dead set on proving to us on an Iowa site that what Pollard and Hoiberg said after the fact is true and the writer was wrong and story was untrue. Sorry this is not cyclone fanatic.

I never once said the story was wrong or untrue. I absolutely believe Fred and JP didn't see eye to eye on a lot of things and the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

All I've been saying is Hoiberg said it wasn't true and everyone is going to believe him regardless of his real relationship with Pollard

 

[iahawkeyes17]

I never once said the story was wrong or untrue. I absolutely believe Fred and JP didn't see eye to eye on a lot of things and the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

All I've been saying is Hoiberg said it wasn't true and everyone is going to believe him regardless of his real relationship with Pollard

You sure about that? Everyone? There are plenty of people out there who have are indifferent on iowa or isu and won't buy what Hoiberg is saying. Some people can see what he is doing. Not uncommon for a former employee or players in sports would do when asked about some negative aspect or moment with their former employer or team. They take the high ride and won't trash them even if there was a case they were treated poorly like this incident in the article cause no point on burning any bridge and take the high rode.

Seriously take off the ketchup and mustard glasses with everyone will believe whatever Freddy says.

 

[CyCity]

You sure about that? Everyone? There are plenty of people out there who have are indifferent on iowa or isu and won't buy what Hoiberg is saying. Some people can see what he is doing. Not uncommon for a former employee or players in sports would do when asked about some negative aspect or moment with their former employer or team. They take the high ride and won't trash them even if there was a case they were treated poorly like this incident in the article cause no point on burning any bridge and take the high rode.

Seriously take off the ketchup and mustard glasses with everyone will believe whatever Freddy says.

National media and local media love Fred, it's not just ISU fans. I stand by my original stance that nobody of significance is out there saying they don't believe Fred or Jamie so it doesn't really matter if the story is true or not

 

[Lone Clone]

Agreed also funny how LC and CyCity are dead set on proving to us on an Iowa site that what Pollard and Hoiberg said after the fact is true and the writer was wrong and story was untrue. Sorry this is not cyclone fanatic.

1. I have no idea whether this is Cyclone Fanatic or not, as I never go there.
2. I have said I believe there was discord, and people were upset at Pollard. I pointed out two claims in the story that have been proven untrue.
3. Sorry if I's interrupted the rhythm of you guys' circle jerk with a fact or two. As you were.......

 

[DanL53]

Implosion? Rumors I've heard are that several current players aren't impressed with Prohm. Now we have an article in the Ames Tribune, and I stress it was in the Ames Tribune, questioning if Pollard is a tight wad. Then we had the minor stuff like Prohm's odd statements about Noskowiak. And let's not forget that the hiring process was at least influenced by the Iowa State President, perhaps more than influenced and actually monitored or supervised in a manner above and beyond the usual, "How's it going?" Stuff.

And even Pollard admits there are likely people out there with, "An axe to Grind".

Implosion? A couple months into the McCaffery hire we were astonished at the level of skill he'd brought in as assistants and happy he'd pulled a Cartwright out of seemingly thin air. A couple months into Prohm, and I'm not laying blame on him, the inner circle of Clone Basketball seems shaky.

I don't care if the article is 80% right or wrong. The article itself is a problem. As are other things mentioned.

#3. Lone Clone? I wouldn't use the term you used. But I would say let the celebration outside of Ames continue! It's fun to watch infighting among the Clones.

 

[CyCity]

Implosion? Rumors I've heard are that several current players aren't impressed with Prohm. Now we have an article in the Ames Tribune, and I stress it was in the Ames Tribune, questioning if Pollard is a tight wad. Then we had the minor stuff like Prohm's odd statements about Noskowiak. And let's not forget that the hiring process was at least influenced by the Iowa State President, perhaps more than influenced and actually monitored or supervised in a manner above and beyond the usual, "How's it going?" Stuff.

And even Pollard admits there are likely people out there with, "An axe to Grind".

Implosion? A couple months into the McCaffery hire we were astonished at the level of skill he'd brought in as assistants and happy he'd pulled a Cartwright out of seemingly thin air. A couple months into Prohm, and I'm not laying blame on him, the inner circle of Clone Basketball seems shaky.

I don't care if the article is 80% right or wrong. The article itself is a problem. As are other things mentioned.

#3. Lone Clone? I wouldn't use the term you used. But I would say let the celebration outside of Ames continue! It's fun to watch infighting among the Clones.

Prohm has been here months and already pulled in Simeon Carter (a player ISU desperately needed) and two big time JUCO players for next year. I have been super impressed with Prohm so far and his recruiting has been much better than I expected

 

[Lone Clone]

Implosion? Rumors I've heard are that several current players aren't impressed with Prohm. Now we have an article in the Ames Tribune, and I stress it was in the Ames Tribune, questioning if Pollard is a tight wad. Then we had the minor stuff like Prohm's odd statements about Noskowiak. And let's not forget that the hiring process was at least influenced by the Iowa State President, perhaps more than influenced and actually monitored or supervised in a manner above and beyond the usual, "How's it going?" Stuff.

And even Pollard admits there are likely people out there with, "An axe to Grind".

Implosion? A couple months into the McCaffery hire we were astonished at the level of skill he'd brought in as assistants and happy he'd pulled a Cartwright out of seemingly thin air. A couple months into Prohm, and I'm not laying blame on him, the inner circle of Clone Basketball seems shaky.

I don't care if the article is 80% right or wrong. The article itself is a problem. As are other things mentioned.

#3. Lone Clone? I wouldn't use the term you used. But I would say let the celebration outside of Ames continue! It's fun to watch infighting among the Clones.

* The article itself is indeed a problem. You'll get no argument from me on that score.

* I think you may be making the mistake of thinking that the relationship between the Ames Trib and the ISU athletics department is similar to that between the Press-Citizen and the UI athletics department. Trust me; it ain't. The former is an adversarial relationship, while the latter is a co-dependency.

* You are buying into the rumors about Leath. You shouldn't.

* I don't know what you mean about Noskowiok. I don't recall anything Prohm said about him other than the boilerplate platitudes about him having problems and wishing him the best, etc.

* I don't know why you say the inner circle of ISU hoops is shaky. Really. Prohm appears to have surrounded himself with some outstanding assistants, including a carryover from the Hoiberg staff whom most people consider very important. Recruiting under the new staff so far looks terrific (although I never believe the crap I hear about recruits, no matter whose they are, until they show up eligible, out of jail, and at least half as talented as advertised).

* I would be stunned if some of the ISU players wouldn't rather be playing for Fred than for the new guy. By all accounts, Prohm is much more strict and demands more from them than Fred did. They were recruited by Fred and played for him, in some cases for four years. It's entirely possible there will be a mass revolt, the team will finish under .500, etc., etc., etc. We might even suck so badly that we lose to Iowa I just haven't seen any reason to think that's any more likely in this case than in the usual change-of-staff situations.

 

[David1979]

Implosion? Rumors I've heard are that several current players aren't impressed with Prohm. Now we have an article in the Ames Tribune, and I stress it was in the Ames Tribune, questioning if Pollard is a tight wad. Then we had the minor stuff like Prohm's odd statements about Noskowiak. And let's not forget that the hiring process was at least influenced by the Iowa State President, perhaps more than influenced and actually monitored or supervised in a manner above and beyond the usual, "How's it going?" Stuff.

And even Pollard admits there are likely people out there with, "An axe to Grind".

Implosion? A couple months into the McCaffery hire we were astonished at the level of skill he'd brought in as assistants and happy he'd pulled a Cartwright out of seemingly thin air. A couple months into Prohm, and I'm not laying blame on him, the inner circle of Clone Basketball seems shaky.

I don't care if the article is 80% right or wrong. The article itself is a problem. As are other things mentioned.

#3. Lone Clone? I wouldn't use the term you used. But I would say let the celebration outside of Ames continue! It's fun to watch infighting among the Clones.

I have seen a few people mention on cyclone fanatic there may be a few players not happy with Prohm.

 

[TankHawk]

I agree with much of what you wrote, but this part I quoted is kind of an odd twist. If he was truly an ISU homer he would not have written the article. I mean, Chris Williams would NEVER write such an article, even if Fred publically denounced Jamie and personally wrote an expose that he emailed to Chris. I wonder if maybe Hines had a good relationship with someone who was on Hoiberg's staff that felt slighted by Fred leaving or how he was dealt with during/after the coaching change.

I also think this is a possibility. However, I thought Hines sounded like an ISU homer when I've heard him on KXNO with Williams and Ross on the afternoon show. He sounded intelligent but also almost as much of an ISU cheerleader as Chris Williams.

 

[David1979]

One thing i would be worried about if I were Prohm is losing Otzelberger. He he is the lead assistant for every guy they have gotten so far and is the lead recruiter for Jakolby Long plus he recruited most of the guys that are currently on the Iowa State roster. That is a lot of talent that Otz is involved in helping get to Ames. The guy that Prohm brought with him apparently hasn't done anything of note on the recruiting trail and his twitter account still says he coaches at Murray State (not a good look). I think Otz is just waiting for the right opportunity and then he is gone.

 

[5Fan5]

Prohm has been here months and already pulled in Simeon Carter (a player ISU desperately needed) and two big time JUCO players for next year. I have been super impressed with Prohm so far and his recruiting has been much better than I expected

If the current isu coach has the same dollars (eighth highest nationally) to spend on recruiting as the previous coach had, then he should be very impressive in getting just about whomever he desires. Your expectations are not realistic given the amount of money isu chooses to throw toward recruiting.

The real excitement will come if and when those recruits and 'top ten' talent fail to live up to all of your expectations.

 

[5Fan5]

Basketball practice facility? How exactly did they go cheap there? I've been in it many times and I can't think of many, if any, amenities it doesn't have.

How close is it to the actual isu campus again?

 

[5Fan5]

I agree with much of what you wrote, but this part I quoted is kind of an odd twist. If he was truly an ISU homer he would not have written the article. I mean, Chris Williams would NEVER write such an article, even if Fred publically denounced Jamie and personally wrote an expose that he emailed to Chris. I wonder if maybe Hines had a good relationship with someone who was on Hoiberg's staff that felt slighted by Fred leaving or how he was dealt with during/after the coaching change.

Chris Williams would not be an example of any type of professional, objective journalist. For the record, neither would the over-obsessed isu poster with over 80,000 posts to his credit/embarrassment.

Most any reasonable person can offer up an informed opinion regarding CF. The garbage that is permitted on that site is pathetic. It directly reflects the ownership/administration of that forum.

Very poor analogy on your part.

 

[DanL53]

* The article itself is indeed a problem. You'll get no argument from me on that score.

* I think you may be making the mistake of thinking that the relationship between the Ames Trib and the ISU athletics department is similar to that between the Press-Citizen and the UI athletics department. Trust me; it ain't. The former is an adversarial relationship, while the latter is a co-dependency.

* You are buying into the rumors about Leath. You shouldn't.

* I don't know what you mean about Noskowiok. I don't recall anything Prohm said about him other than the boilerplate platitudes about him having problems and wishing him the best, etc.

* I don't know why you say the inner circle of ISU hoops is shaky. Really. Prohm appears to have surrounded himself with some outstanding assistants, including a carryover from the Hoiberg staff whom most people consider very important. Recruiting under the new staff so far looks terrific (although I never believe the crap I hear about recruits, no matter whose they are, until they show up eligible, out of jail, and at least half as talented as advertised).

* I would be stunned if some of the ISU players wouldn't rather be playing for Fred than for the new guy. By all accounts, Prohm is much more strict and demands more from them than Fred did. They were recruited by Fred and played for him, in some cases for four years. It's entirely possible there will be a mass revolt, the team will finish under .500, etc., etc., etc. We might even suck so badly that we lose to Iowa I just haven't seen any reason to think that's any more likely in this case than in the usual change-of-staff situations.

Your points one and two are pretty much what I'm thinking...as a local paper should always be a Homie paper and there is something wrong there when it isn't.

Leath, I'll trust you on.

The Noskowiak issue was that Prohm made mention he hadn't known about the May incidents. He certainly has people around him who did and it makes me wonder how much communication is going on.

When I said the inner circle it includes both the Tribune which ought to be an inner circle asset, and the "sources" which I'd wager some are still around grinding their axe for the next swing.

And, yes, any program change is going to cause some disgruntled players. And you are welcome to suck so badly that you lose to Iowa.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

1. I have no idea whether this is Cyclone Fanatic or not, as I never go there.
2. I have said I believe there was discord, and people were upset at Pollard. I pointed out two claims in the story that have been proven untrue.
3. Sorry if I's interrupted the rhythm of you guys' circle jerk with a fact or two. As you were.......

1. Maybe you should try it out sometime with all your posting history and love for ISU.
2. Wasn't saying story was 100% true but let's be honest it isn't a 100% false and not good for ISU publicity true or false.
3. As for your 3rd point don't throw stones in glass houses. You've been guilty of this with all your messages spewed here.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

National media and local media love Fred, it's not just ISU fans. I stand by my original stance that nobody of significance is out there saying they don't believe Fred or Jamie so it doesn't really matter if the story is true or not

Well it's no shocker local media loves the home town boy which is the irony of all this comes from his hometown paper. Nationally Fred is respected but to say all national media loves him maybe a stretch since east and west coast probably could give 2 sh!ts about a bball coach at ISU or Iowa. The point is no one is taking a stance saying pollard and fred or wrong but you don't see anyone really say much for them. Point is people making up their minds on their own and you'd be an idiot to think everyone who reads this has the opinion, "well if Fred Hoiberg said this is what happen then it has to be the truth."

No matter how you try and spin it, it is bad publicity for ISU and Pollard. Fred on other hand it is not.

 

[WildIowaCat]

Well ISU just beat out Arizona for a recruit so I'm glad he committed even though he knows he would have to take a commercial flight if he went to Hawaii!

If you are referring to Malou as the recruit ISU "beat" Arizona for, that offer was claimed by Malou and I have it on good authority that there was no serious recruitment done by Arizona. (Read: no offer) So congrats I guess?

Just to add some insight to Arizona's travel methods, the Wildcat basketball team travels on a charter jet to all road games that warrant it. It was part of Coach Sean Miller's contract when he came to Arizona and matches some of his other requests such as higher than average assistant coach salaries. All part of committing to being an elite program IMO.

 

[cidhawkeye]

"Sorry if I's interrupted the rhythm of you guys' circle jerk with a fact or two. As you were......."

This from the guy who rolls with the "as told to me by other people because I wasn't at the game but it's certifiably true because they said so" well and the 'I am old' approach. It gets better every time.

 

[Run&Blade]

Maybe Prohm is telling them they need to play defense and that has the players upset.

 

[CyCity]

Maybe Prohm is telling them they need to play defense and that has the players upset.

Sadly I think this is somewhat true

 

[HerkyFan]

ISU's basketball facility is super nice. Press box is a dump though but that's way down the list of stuff I'd want updated

Why isn't attached to Hilton like many schools do? Also why does isu's football facility pale in comparison to Iowa's?

Because isu goes on the cheap. Just ask their Baseball players or Men's Gymnasts.

Do we need more examples?

 

[CyCity]

Why isn't attached to Hilton like many schools do? Also why does isu's football facility pale in comparison to Iowa's?

Because isu goes on the cheap. Just ask their Baseball players or Men's Gymnasts.

Do we need more examples?

I don't know why it isn't attached to Hilton. I know it is right out by where the players live and it's basketball only so the players like that. ISU's football facilities are very nice as well.

 

[HerkyFan]

I don't know why it isn't attached to Hilton. I know it is right out by where the players live and it's basketball only so the players like that. ISU's football facilities are very nice as well.

The baseball players at isu love how lavish isu spends on its Athletic Department

 

[Lone Clone]

"Sorry if I's interrupted the rhythm of you guys' circle jerk with a fact or two. As you were......."

This from the guy who rolls with the "as told to me by other people because I wasn't at the game but it's certifiably true because they said so" well and the 'I am old' approach. It gets better every time.

You haven't been coherent since you had your head handed to you in our discussion two weeks ago. Get over it, fella. It's just a freaking Internet message board. It isn't real life.

 

[Lone Clone]

If you are referring to Malou as the recruit ISU "beat" Arizona for, that offer was claimed by Malou and I have it on good authority that there was no serious recruitment done by Arizona. (Read: no offer) So congrats I guess?

Just to add some insight to Arizona's travel methods, the Wildcat basketball team travels on a charter jet to all road games that warrant it. It was part of Coach Sean Miller's contract when he came to Arizona and matches some of his other requests such as higher than average assistant coach salaries. All part of committing to being an elite program IMO.

Thanks for the information on the Arizona travel methods. I can see it for most trips. ISU does it, too, of course. But not for international travel or to Hawaii.

 

[milehighhawkeye24]

Who cares, ISU is not a destination job nor will it ever be.....Hoiberg is/was a great coach (as is/was Cale), huge loss for them...which is a huge gain for us. If ISU can't even keep their alums as coaches, it will be difficult for them to ever keep a successful coach because they will move on to bigger a better things once they get that opportunity. Ames is a subpar college town (not horrible but also not in the top half of college towns), ISU is not a flagship university, their mascot is a cyclone but have a bird running around, their colors are just awful, etc.

 

[cidhawkeye]

You haven't been coherent since you had your head handed to you in our discussion two weeks ago. Get over it, fella. It's just a freaking Internet message board. It isn't real life.

Head handed to me based on your narrow point of view.

 

[I4cy]

Who cares, ISU is not a destination job nor will it ever be.....Hoiberg is/was a great coach (as is/was Cale), huge loss for them...which is a huge gain for us. If ISU can't even keep their alums as coaches, it will be difficult for them to ever keep a successful coach because they will move on to bigger a better things once they get that opportunity. Ames is a subpar college town (not horrible but also not in the top half of college towns), ISU is not a flagship university, their mascot is a cyclone but have a bird running around, their colors are just awful, etc.

thank you thank you, little bro at your finest.
another hawk obsessed with ISU
carry on little bros carry on

 

[HerkyFan]

You haven't been coherent since you had your head handed to you in our discussion two weeks ago. Get over it, fella. It's just a freaking Internet message board. It isn't real life.

Lone Clone loses it. Hey maybe you and I4 can tell us about isu's mighty Baseball and Men's Gymnastics program and then how isu isn't cheap.

 

[HerkyFan]

thank you thank you, little bro at your finest.
another hawk obsessed with ISU
carry on little bros carry on

Iowa is big bro. isu is an after thought. In fact right now it takes the Ames Tribune to get isu any attention at all.