guess what pouchy , i am going to make your day. i can tell you are a little bummed out that everyone is making fun of you , very few posters think you are right and i mean very few. i am going to throw you a big bone. wait for it.... wait for it ..... i hope you are seated. i do understand what you are saying . yes you are right in that if we miss the first 2 pter and are down 9 that is 2 possessions . if we kick the first extra point and dont convert the 2nd 2 pter in all essence we made it a 2 possession scenario again . so everything you said is theoretically true . but in our minds you dont seem to understand all this has to be done in one minute and 4 seconds . this is why the majority of us want to make it an 8 point deficit so can tie the game with a 2 point conversion if we are lucky enough to score. truth be told since we missed the 2 point conversion and are down 9 there is no need to attempt a 2 pointer with another TD because it wont tie the game or give us the lead, doesnt make a difference if we are down 1 or 2 right? merry christmas pouchy