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Do you accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior?

Do you accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior?

  • Yes

    Votes: 67 49.3%
  • No

    Votes: 69 50.7%

  • Total voters
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I've been watching some interesting YouTube videos on people that had "near death experiences" and went to Hell.

My Priest also told me about some Exorcisms.

It got me wondering.
While it may be true in their minds. Reality is another matter
 
Absolutely.

They could be false...or not.

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No. I believe Jesus was a traveling faith healer (yes, that type). He was obviously clever enough to fool enough of the largely uneducated people in his region, to have a growing number of followers. The end result was Constantine strong arming a consensus on who Jesus was and how Christianity would proceed in the empire. Or something along those lines.
 
Absolutely.

They could be false...or not.
That's some weak-ass reasoning.

"I've been watching some interesting YouTube videos"
Even shakier. That's just stating a "fact." A "fact" that is infinitely more provable than whatever them skank-ass bitches in the YouTube videos had to say about going to hell.

"My Priest also told me about some Exorcisms."
That old, lonely guy is now your priest? You seem like a nice guy. Start asking some goddamn questions.
 
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If Trump managed to indict and convict Hillary.....he'd have his own church in short order. Many of them, probably. Lol. He'd be the "new" Jesus to some of you nuts!
 
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That's some weak-ass reasoning.

"I've been watching some interesting YouTube videos"
Even shakier. That's just stating a "fact." A "fact" that is infinitely more provable than whatever them skank-ass bitches in the YouTube videos had to say about going to hell.

"My Priest also told me about some Exorcisms."
That old, lonely guy is now your priest? You seem like a nice guy. Start asking some goddamn questions.

What questions would you have me ask, Socrates?
 
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Jesus didn't accept himself as lord and savior, why should anyone else? His main prophecy proved to be wrong. Why would anyone listen to a God who got the facts wrong?
 
Jesus didn't accept himself as lord and savior, why should anyone else? His main prophecy proved to be wrong. Why would anyone listen to a God who got the facts wrong?

What was his main prophecy and how was it proven wrong?
 
Organized religion insists that we are separated from "God." I find that to be impossible.They basically try to convince you that the ticket they're selling is the only way to get back to God. It's lucrative.They also, quite often inadvertently, create an image of "God" as some super-human (even in appearance) parental figure. God is described as a "king" presiding over a kingdom.

I've always been skeptical of organized religion.

"God" is very real. I realized that once I got rid of the middle man. Go within, or go without. Free of charge.
 
What was his main prophecy and how was it proven wrong?
Jesus prophesied he would return before the current generation was gone. That's 40 years by biblical math. He failed to return. That should end the debate on if Jesus was not only God but even if he was especially favored by the divine. Failing that prophecy puts him in the same class as any of the hundreds of other failed doomsday cult leaders over the centuries.

This is who Jesus was:
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Natural is just afraid he might be wrong.
Not anymore, the more you study it, the less fear of being wrong you will feel. If you are still afraid of your god, I can help set you free. But if you are a Jesus believer you probably should be afraid, because I bet you aren't following the sort of ascetic lifestyle he told you you must. Read your own book, you're screwing up. Further you are placing more faith in an escape clause than the actual words of your god. Think on it.
 
Jesus prophesied he would return before the current generation was gone. That's 40 years by biblical math. He failed to return. That should end the debate on if Jesus was not only God but even if he was especially favored by the divine. Failing that prophecy puts him in the same class as any of the hundreds of other failed doomsday cult leaders over the centuries.

This is who Jesus was:
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I'll just leave this link here that discusses Jesus' prophecy to great length. It is a fairly objective discussion imo.

http://www.thingstocome.org/whatgen.htm
 
I'll just leave this link here that discusses Jesus' prophecy to great length. It is a fairly objective discussion imo.

http://www.thingstocome.org/whatgen.htm
I don't agree its an objective discussion when it is one sided attempt to explain away the error. The author clearly has an objective. Even the author's closing quotation is wrong. Not one word from Jesus survives today. You have no idea how faithful the often contradictory words put on the lips of the guy reflect what he said, because he did such a crappy job actually preserving his words. Which makes sense considering he thought the world was about to end. No one was supposed to be around to read about it.
 
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Natural is just afraid he might be wrong.

You really don't grasp it. Islam assures us that non-Muslims are going to hell. Lots of other religions through the ages have claimed theirs is the only way. As Sam Harris explains, we lose no more sleep worrying about your god punishing us than we do over any of the others. It's not a concern.
 
I have to give atheists credit for choosing a side, unlike
agnostics....
You really don't grasp it. Islam assures us that non-Muslims are going to hell. Lots of other religions through the ages have claimed theirs is the only way. As Sam Harris explains, we lose no more sleep worrying about your god punishing us than we do over any of the others. It's not a concern.
If it wasn't a concern you wouldn't have opened the thread. Why try to prove something that can't be proven? I am perfectly comfortable with you believing what you want, why would I want to try to change your mind? What would be in it for me?
 
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Not anymore, the more you study it, the less fear of being wrong you will feel. If you are still afraid of your god, I can help set you free. But if you are a Jesus believer you probably should be afraid, because I bet you aren't following the sort of ascetic lifestyle he told you you must. Read your own book, you're screwing up. Further you are placing more faith in an escape clause than the actual words of your god. Think on it.
You can believe what you want. Nothing can be proven. I'm fine with your beliefs but when you start to try to convince people their religious beliefs are wrong you are arguing from fear.
 
Not anymore, the more you study it, the less fear of being wrong you will feel. If you are still afraid of your god, I can help set you free. But if you are a Jesus believer you probably should be afraid, because I bet you aren't following the sort of ascetic lifestyle he told you you must. Read your own book, you're screwing up. Further you are placing more faith in an escape clause than the actual words of your god. Think on it.


That's 100% opposite of the Truth, ironically it's pretty much the ONLY religion where you don't have to do anything but accept your fallen state and your need for Salvation and then pray the sinners prayer and accept his Divinity. Thats it...the Spirit will take over after that and you will see changes in your life. You'll never be free of sin but there will be fruits of the Spirit as you grow in Faith.

That's it....

As per your above statement about coming back in "that" generation, he did.....just not how you erroneously assumed.
 
By the grace of God, I have accepted Jesus Christ,
the Son of God, as my personal Lord and Savior.

My faith in Christ as my Lord means that I allow Him
to be #1 in my life as I follow His will for my life.

My faith in Christ as my Savior means that i believe
that He died on the cross to forgive my sins and rose
from the grave to give me the free gift of eternal life.
 
Jesus prophesied he would return before the current generation was gone. That's 40 years by biblical math. He failed to return. That should end the debate on if Jesus was not only God but even if he was especially favored by the divine. Failing that prophecy puts him in the same class as any of the hundreds of other failed doomsday cult leaders over the centuries.
You're confused. Let me clear it up for you. He was talking about his years, not ours.

After being crucified and using his alien technology to resuscitate himself, he still needed significant medical attention to fully recover. That attention exceeded the capacity of the medical robots on his scout ship so they had to put him in suspended animation and take him home for the care he needed.

At relativistic speeds the round trip for him will be 40 years, but for us it will be 2000 years, give or take. So he'll be back sometime in the next 20 years.

I wonder what he'll think about what we've done to the place?
 
You can believe what you want. Nothing can be proven. I'm fine with your beliefs but when you start to try to convince people their religious beliefs are wrong you are arguing from fear.

That's silly, and a cop out. Making an announcement that any argument against you is proof that the argument is fear-based is circular logic. Irrational.

Much of what I dislike in our society has its foundation in religion, and in irrational thinking. That's why I argue against both; I argue against religion just as I argue against Ouija boards. Not because I fear the superstitions are correct, but because I dislike the real world consequences of a willingness to believe things on bad evidence.
 
That's silly, and a cop out. Making an announcement that any argument against you is proof that the argument is fear-based is circular logic. Irrational.

Much of what I dislike in our society has its foundation in religion, and in irrational thinking. That's why I argue against both; I argue against religion just as I argue against Ouija boards. Not because I fear the superstitions are correct, but because I dislike the real world consequences of a willingness to believe things on bad evidence.
What I hate is that I've only ever met one person that lived a truly Christian life. ONE GUY! Maybe he's the latest resurrection of Jesus. And he's MY friend. Nana nana boo boo.
 
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