What is wrong with you lately?
While it may be true in their minds. Reality is another matterI've been watching some interesting YouTube videos on people that had "near death experiences" and went to Hell.
My Priest also told me about some Exorcisms.
It got me wondering.
While it may be true in their minds. Reality is another matter
That's some weak-ass reasoning.Absolutely.
They could be false...or not.
That's some weak-ass reasoning.
"I've been watching some interesting YouTube videos"
Even shakier. That's just stating a "fact." A "fact" that is infinitely more provable than whatever them skank-ass bitches in the YouTube videos had to say about going to hell.
"My Priest also told me about some Exorcisms."
That old, lonely guy is now your priest? You seem like a nice guy. Start asking some goddamn questions.
Jesus didn't accept himself as lord and savior, why should anyone else? His main prophecy proved to be wrong. Why would anyone listen to a God who got the facts wrong?
Natural is just afraid he might be wrong.What was his main prophecy and how was it proven wrong?
Natural is just afraid he might be wrong.
Jesus prophesied he would return before the current generation was gone. That's 40 years by biblical math. He failed to return. That should end the debate on if Jesus was not only God but even if he was especially favored by the divine. Failing that prophecy puts him in the same class as any of the hundreds of other failed doomsday cult leaders over the centuries.What was his main prophecy and how was it proven wrong?
Not anymore, the more you study it, the less fear of being wrong you will feel. If you are still afraid of your god, I can help set you free. But if you are a Jesus believer you probably should be afraid, because I bet you aren't following the sort of ascetic lifestyle he told you you must. Read your own book, you're screwing up. Further you are placing more faith in an escape clause than the actual words of your god. Think on it.Natural is just afraid he might be wrong.
I'll just leave this link here that discusses Jesus' prophecy to great length. It is a fairly objective discussion imo.Jesus prophesied he would return before the current generation was gone. That's 40 years by biblical math. He failed to return. That should end the debate on if Jesus was not only God but even if he was especially favored by the divine. Failing that prophecy puts him in the same class as any of the hundreds of other failed doomsday cult leaders over the centuries.
This is who Jesus was:
I don't agree its an objective discussion when it is one sided attempt to explain away the error. The author clearly has an objective. Even the author's closing quotation is wrong. Not one word from Jesus survives today. You have no idea how faithful the often contradictory words put on the lips of the guy reflect what he said, because he did such a crappy job actually preserving his words. Which makes sense considering he thought the world was about to end. No one was supposed to be around to read about it.I'll just leave this link here that discusses Jesus' prophecy to great length. It is a fairly objective discussion imo.
http://www.thingstocome.org/whatgen.htm
Natural is just afraid he might be wrong.
I have to give atheists credit for choosing a side, unlike
agnostics....
If it wasn't a concern you wouldn't have opened the thread. Why try to prove something that can't be proven? I am perfectly comfortable with you believing what you want, why would I want to try to change your mind? What would be in it for me?You really don't grasp it. Islam assures us that non-Muslims are going to hell. Lots of other religions through the ages have claimed theirs is the only way. As Sam Harris explains, we lose no more sleep worrying about your god punishing us than we do over any of the others. It's not a concern.
You can believe what you want. Nothing can be proven. I'm fine with your beliefs but when you start to try to convince people their religious beliefs are wrong you are arguing from fear.Not anymore, the more you study it, the less fear of being wrong you will feel. If you are still afraid of your god, I can help set you free. But if you are a Jesus believer you probably should be afraid, because I bet you aren't following the sort of ascetic lifestyle he told you you must. Read your own book, you're screwing up. Further you are placing more faith in an escape clause than the actual words of your god. Think on it.
Yes sir...Heaven is the presence of God, hell is the absence of God.
Not anymore, the more you study it, the less fear of being wrong you will feel. If you are still afraid of your god, I can help set you free. But if you are a Jesus believer you probably should be afraid, because I bet you aren't following the sort of ascetic lifestyle he told you you must. Read your own book, you're screwing up. Further you are placing more faith in an escape clause than the actual words of your god. Think on it.
So . . . we all live in the Hell universe.Heaven is the presence of God, hell is the absence of God.
You're confused. Let me clear it up for you. He was talking about his years, not ours.Jesus prophesied he would return before the current generation was gone. That's 40 years by biblical math. He failed to return. That should end the debate on if Jesus was not only God but even if he was especially favored by the divine. Failing that prophecy puts him in the same class as any of the hundreds of other failed doomsday cult leaders over the centuries.
You can believe what you want. Nothing can be proven. I'm fine with your beliefs but when you start to try to convince people their religious beliefs are wrong you are arguing from fear.
Religion is fear mongering, for the most part.
What I hate is that I've only ever met one person that lived a truly Christian life. ONE GUY! Maybe he's the latest resurrection of Jesus. And he's MY friend. Nana nana boo boo.That's silly, and a cop out. Making an announcement that any argument against you is proof that the argument is fear-based is circular logic. Irrational.
Much of what I dislike in our society has its foundation in religion, and in irrational thinking. That's why I argue against both; I argue against religion just as I argue against Ouija boards. Not because I fear the superstitions are correct, but because I dislike the real world consequences of a willingness to believe things on bad evidence.